50 million an hour =D
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Ehm, smuggling and the exploit are/were in both 1.5 and 2.0.
This thread lost its original intent about 40 pages ago dude.
Yeah, but just................ ......................................................Awe Hell, tell me more about that Tanked Conda? Surely that's for PvP, not for PvE/Res/ComNav
The only people being cheated by exploits, are those who use exploits cheating themselves out of the whole point of the game - the journey to elite.
I, like many others will be able to look back and know I have earned my elite rankings in the way it was intended, and have a true sense of accomplishment.
Those who cheated will know they haven't, and there's absolutely nothing they'll be able to do to change that fact.
I actually feel sorry for them because even now I still feel proud of the elite status I achieved back in the eighties, and now I get the chance to do it again.
I, like many others will be able to look back and know I have earned my elite rankings in the way it was intended, and have a true sense of accomplishment.
Those who cheated will know they haven't, and there's absolutely nothing they'll be able to do to change that fact.
I actually feel sorry for them because even now I still feel proud of the elite status I achieved back in the eighties, and now I get the chance to do it again.
Since trade grinding is every bit as meaningless and hollow as Shadow Delivery mission stacking, I'm going to have to beg to differ. Fact is, making it to Elite in combat and trading involves mind-numbingly simplistic, repetitive activities repeated ad nauseum. If your "pride and sense of accomplishment" stems from the fact that you had the fortitude to endure the grind, all the better for you. I personally play for fun.
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I'm talking about the take a mission, cancel, then sell the cargo exploit btw. NOT smuggling/shadow mission
Back in beta there was the same sort of exploit/bug which kinda didn't matter as it was beta and was soon patched out, in live the only similar things I can think of was the buy ship at shinrata, sell ship elsewhere and make a lot of money from it and also a series of events which gave players with about 5bn credits. Both groups had their credits removed.
in any other MMO, people abusing the heck out of an obvious exploit would be banned or had their ill gotten gains removed. It'll be interesting to see how FD act as they do log everything and can adjust everything on an account.
TLDR if you did the buy/cancel/sell thing then i'd be preparing myself to lose the money I gained, just in case.
Back in beta there was the same sort of exploit/bug which kinda didn't matter as it was beta and was soon patched out, in live the only similar things I can think of was the buy ship at shinrata, sell ship elsewhere and make a lot of money from it and also a series of events which gave players with about 5bn credits. Both groups had their credits removed.
in any other MMO, people abusing the heck out of an obvious exploit would be banned or had their ill gotten gains removed. It'll be interesting to see how FD act as they do log everything and can adjust everything on an account.
TLDR if you did the buy/cancel/sell thing then i'd be preparing myself to lose the money I gained, just in case.
And by playing for fun you mean...doing the exact same things Ellay is doing. But you call him a grinder because he reached Elite status??
What else is there besides trading and combat?
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"Doing the exact same things"? Sure, albeit not to the extent you'd have to do them to rank up to Elite within a reasonable span of time. Moreover, I tend to dabble around in Powerplay from time to time to break up the monotony.
Jumping into a combat zone or an RES for a little while to blow some things up doesn't constitute grinding, to my mind. Doing it obsessively to reach some arbitrary rank does, however. So does "trading," which consists of ferrying goods (eugh... and think about how much you'd have to trade to actually make Elite).
Really, my point is that trading is exceedingly grindy. Shadow Deliveries, on the other hand, are quite fun, if imbalanced. I question the point of mindlessly ferrying goods "legitimately" for months to achieve the same ends that smuggling for a few weeks can achieve. I mean, maybe it's just me, but I certainly wouldn't view my Anaconda with any more value had I been forced to grind for months on end to purchase and outfit it -- if anything, I would've probably been more disappointed than anything. Imagine ferrying goods for ~6 months to find yourself in a ship that would have trouble fending off a DBS with silent running and HRPs.
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Just bear in mind ellay probably wasn't talking about shadow deliveries and was talking about this topic, which was something else entirely.
Nothing in ellays post suggested they think shadow deliveries are exploiting.
Given all the fuss about Shadow Delivery stacking lately, as well as the number of posts dedicated to the subject even in this thread, I guess I just assumed that's what was being referenced. To be sure, Shadow Deliveries are pretty imbalanced if stacked compared to most, if not all other methods of earning money in the game -- imho, they fit the bill as being rather cheap, easy money, and relogging to stack missions is pretty much borderline exploiting.
Another way of looking at shadow deliveries [yes, not OT, but since the mods have not yet enacted a much needed mercy killing, we may as well carry on] is that the amount of whining that they are broken/too easy/impossible suggests to me that the balance is spot on.
Now let's continue talking about cabbages. Cabbages are about as relevant to Elite as this thread, which concerns a now non-existent exploit.
Indeed. I only have half a billion and yet I have nothing else I want or need to spend my money on. So an extra billion? Utterly meaningless.
Ive got to agree with Soothsayer here. Mine is a very good example of what he has pointed out. I've been working combat zones in Power Play to maintain rating 5 ( Military strike Zones or Violent Protests) which requires 500 kills per week.
Now this isn't an exploit, it's as the game was intended to be played but because the enemies are generally high ranked I have flown through the combat rank system rapidly and am now at Deadly within a very short space of time. I will hit Elite status by next week. The challenge has been minimal really and has taken about 8 hours per week to get the 500 kills for merits required.
I will not be looking at my Elite status with any amount of pride to be honest, it's only been a side effect of me maintaining Rating 5 and was definitely repetitive.
If anything Im disappointed it's been that easy but it's the best way I have found to easily earn more than 100 million credits a week in combat in a short space of time without using 'exploits' or having too much of a grind.
I think its not really what's this about. People "grinding" the game already cannot enjoy it properly is it done in "legit" way or by cheating.
Fun wont magically start when you'll have those credits for conda, corvette or w/e you're after, if you can't enjoy the whole journey to those goals by resorting to exploits or grinding it out by min maxing(i hate that term) your trade ship and routes, you gonna end up disappointed anyway.
Have to say abusing game flaws and making proud threads about them is kinda stupid though, but then again frontier never ever has done anything to exploiters, so I suppose it's a standard by now..well not that it matters much at this point anyway
Fun wont magically start when you'll have those credits for conda, corvette or w/e you're after, if you can't enjoy the whole journey to those goals by resorting to exploits or grinding it out by min maxing(i hate that term) your trade ship and routes, you gonna end up disappointed anyway.
Have to say abusing game flaws and making proud threads about them is kinda stupid though, but then again frontier never ever has done anything to exploiters, so I suppose it's a standard by now..well not that it matters much at this point anyway
Exactly. Rankings are like highschool grades: you can grind your way to elite without having any real combat skills, and you can be an insane PvP cmdr with a combat ranking of competent. I play to improve my skill, not my ranking. As it happens, the latter kinda trudges along with the formes, so all is good.
I can't agree with your comments on grinding. It shouldn't be necessary to grind but people find they have to do it to make decent progress because of the the current status of the game ie broken missions and all the other 'job' imbalances that have been discussed in many other threads. And then the boredom of grinding leads to people jumping on the bandwagon of any exploits that pop up from time to time.
Do I want a short cut where I can get the Anaconda or Vette with minimal play? No of course not. I wouldn't appreciate the ship that way but I do like to make steady reasonable progress every week. So I have a 'mini grind' each week for about 8 hours as I stated above to get those 5000 merits and then for the rest of the time I go and do other stuff in the game that's more interesting.
I wish I didn't even have to do those 8 hours to be honest but it's just the way the game is at the moment and in reality an 8 hour grind isn't really that bad spread over a week.
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With regards to shadow deliveries (yes yes, kinda off topic!). After a chat with a fellow last night, we decided, through SCIENCE, that shadow deliveries should be rewards for supporting minor factions, who in turn use the in-game mail/notification system to send you a shadowy message, with details of where to collect a shadowy package, the payment and its destination. Collection points would be scattered around the fringes of populated space and play & payout as shadow deliveries currently do.
In this way we'd might enjoy a variety of mission types and locals, have the convinience of declinging as we wished, and could regulate the rate at which they spawned in a manner that mode switching could not alter.
In this way we'd might enjoy a variety of mission types and locals, have the convinience of declinging as we wished, and could regulate the rate at which they spawned in a manner that mode switching could not alter.
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