Tritium Trading methods.

[MarkAusten]

Having played around with my Carrier for a few days I think that there are a few ways to use it effectively for Tritium trading.

Predicate. There is only one L landing pad station selling Tritium at around 4kCr per tonne at any one time.

It takes ~30 trips to load and unload a 23kt carrier with a T9 or a Cutter and ~70 trips with a Python. The T9/Cutter are used or the times when you can get into the single system selling Tritium at a low price and the Python for when you have to use one of the more available M pad only stations.

This is ignoring buying from other Fleet Carriers which is highly variable and not very reliable.

So:

1. Do everything yourself. Takes time, but you get all the profit yourself.
2. Set good prices at the source and destination systems and let other pilots load and unload for you. Much quicker and the higher you set the pilot's profit, the faster you will get loaded or unloaded. However, the profit margin for the carrier is low.
3. Get together some game friends and let them do the loading an unloading. Buying from the pilots at twice the buy price from the station and then charging them half the station sell price at the destination. Get 10 frieds together using Pythons gives them all 7 trips each at both ends, less then an hour's work if you can get close to the station. At ~4kCr/t and 53kCr/t about 30% goes to the carrier and the rest is shared amongst the pilots. You can do the same with T9/Cutter but then you are restriected to the single good source station. You could install a shipyard and outfitting on your carrier so that your loaders can transfer in another ships (one T9/Cutter and one Python, for example) and transfer in any modules the want but this reduces your cargo space to around 19kt but maximises your flexibility. If you restrict your carrier access to friends only, or play in PG, then you can prevent independant pilots from loading and unloading and to get the benefits your loaders have to do both parts of the trip.

Aside from these methods and trucking out to distant systems and selling at a high price, are there any other ways to use a carrier for tritium trading that make a reasonable profit?

Fly safe commanders.

 

[MarkyH]

Having played around with my Carrier for a few days I think that there are a few ways to use it effectively for Tritium trading.

Predicate. There is only one L landing pad station selling Tritium at around 4kCr per tonne at any one time.

It takes ~30 trips to load and unload a 23kt carrier with a T9 or a Cutter and ~70 trips with a Python. The T9/Cutter are used or the times when you can get into the single system selling Tritium at a low price and the Python for when you have to use one of the more available M pad only stations.

This is ignoring buying from other Fleet Carriers which is highly variable and not very reliable.

So:

1. Do everything yourself. Takes time, but you get all the profit yourself.
2. Set good prices at the source and destination systems and let other pilots load and unload for you. Much quicker and the higher you set the pilot's profit, the faster you will get loaded or unloaded. However, the profit margin for the carrier is low.
3. Get together some game friends and let them do the loading an unloading. Buying from the pilots at twice the buy price from the station and then charging them half the station sell price at the destination. Get 10 frieds together using Pythons gives them all 7 trips each at both ends, less then an hour's work if you can get close to the station. At ~4kCr/t and 53kCr/t about 30% goes to the carrier and the rest is shared amongst the pilots. You can do the same with T9/Cutter but then you are restriected to the single good source station. You could install a shipyard and outfitting on your carrier so that your loaders can transfer in another ships (one T9/Cutter and one Python, for example) and transfer in any modules the want but this reduces your cargo space to around 19kt but maximises your flexibility. If you restrict your carrier access to friends only, or play in PG, then you can prevent independant pilots from loading and unloading and to get the benefits your loaders have to do both parts of the trip.

Aside from these methods and trucking out to distant systems and selling at a high price, are there any other ways to use a carrier for tritium trading that make a reasonable profit?

Fly safe commanders.

Way ahead of you, I've been doing this for nearly 3 weeks now. I'm almost a passive Tritium hauler, probably up to 85% passive now. How? Simple.

1. On the filling side i always offer to buy from a 4k station @ 29K T.
2. On the 4k buy stations, if I haven't been there before, I scout ahead in my diamond back explorer 48LY FSD and scan the system before i jump my FC, that way i can try and pick a good spot. If i jump blind to an empty medium pad buy system of a new large pad buy system (just appeared and not chokka). I always double jump the FC, once to the system, once again to the station moon, or as close as i can get to the station moon. I have before triple jumped to get a better spot. in System jumps only take 10T tritium so only cost 140k. If I cant get into a large pad 4k system I pick a good 4k medium pad system and stay there until I get a slot to jump into a large pad system.
3. On the offloading side I always offer to sell @ 30k and the haulers get to sell at 52k.
4. i'm happy for 1lk T passive margin for shift almost a full load. I do a few fill runs myself to up the margins , and enough offload sell runs to max out my free ARX @ the 400 weekly total, then I stop, until it resets.
5. I advertise, via my ship name, in system on the chat, and now on the INARA bulletin board. Letting workers know when I arrive, when i'm leaving, and on INARA, where I am currently and on what side of the trade.
6. I have installed shipyard and outfitting for my workers, so if they want they can store a large and medium pad hauler ship, and modules and cargo racks to swap out.

This works very well. Yesterday GCRV 65988 was full on the buy side, after selling all the previous load overnight while i slept, i had to take a spot in a medium pad 4k system. I then took the DE taxi to GCRV 65988 , about 4 jumps, scanned the system, and came back to the FC. When i arrived back 3kt had already been filled in the empty FC gargo hold. Then i went off and elsewhere in my Vette and did some fun "PEW PEW" missions. I then every 1/2 hr in the vette, remotely check via fleet carrier management if i can get spot in the large pad system, which i can search the whole system as i have visited it and scanned it. after 2 hrs got a spot, right on the station moon, 11.2Mm trip each way. Supercruise in a T9 was under 20 seconds each way.

So i parked the vette, in the pew pew system, back into the DBX taxi, back to the FC. announced my FC , started doing a few fill runs in my T9, bragged on chat how quick it was, and my FC was full of 19k tritium in under an hour. I did 4 x 756T trips in that hour, other haulers did the rest.

Now i am parked on the sell side system, 18k still to sell, just waiting knowing some one will find it and be tempted and empty it for me. While I carry on with some fun PEW PW Pirate massacre missions 100+ LY away.

Never one to miss a chance. If you want to make 22kT profit offloading Tritium, my FC WOY-3OZ is parked in LENORE system on the moon of GAMOW HUB, 21.8Mm trip, less than 60 seconds flight time. each way. FC name I SELL TRITIUM FOR 30K .

Buy from my FC for 30k, sell to the station for 52k T.

 

[Snowygerry]

It is surprising how many FCs are parked without buying orders for Tritium, you'd expect any one that's not full to buy the stuff at least at local market price no ?

Visited a few in Colonia just now looking to offload the rest of a full shipment, it's like they have no use for it

 

[askavir]

Way ahead of you, I've been doing this for nearly 3 weeks now. I'm almost a passive Tritium hauler, probably up to 85% passive now. How? Simple.

1. On the filling side i always offer to buy from a 4k station @ 29K T.
2. On the 4k buy stations, if I haven't been there before, I scout ahead in my diamond back explorer 48LY FSD and scan the system before i jump my FC, that way i can try and pick a good spot. If i jump blind to an empty medium pad buy system of a new large pad buy system (just appeared and not chokka). I always double jump the FC, once to the system, once again to the station moon, or as close as i can get to the station moon. I have before triple jumped to get a better spot. in System jumps only take 10T tritium so only cost 140k. If I cant get into a large pad 4k system I pick a good 4k medium pad system and stay there until I get a slot to jump into a large pad system.
3. On the offloading side I always offer to sell @ 30k and the haulers get to sell at 52k.
4. i'm happy for 1lk T passive margin for shift almost a full load. I do a few fill runs myself to up the margins , and enough offload sell runs to max out my free ARX @ the 400 weekly total, then I stop, until it resets.
5. I advertise, via my ship name, in system on the chat, and now on the INARA bulletin board. Letting workers know when I arrive, when i'm leaving, and on INARA, where I am currently and on what side of the trade.
6. I have installed shipyard and outfitting for my workers, so if they want they can store a large and medium pad hauler ship, and modules and cargo racks to swap out.

This works very well. Yesterday GCRV 65988 was full on the buy side, after selling all the previous load overnight while i slept, i had to take a spot in a medium pad 4k system. I then took the DE taxi to GCRV 65988 , about 4 jumps, scanned the system, and came back to the FC. When i arrived back 3kt had already been filled in the empty FC gargo hold. Then i went off and elsewhere in my Vette and did some fun "PEW PEW" missions. I then every 1/2 hr in the vette, remotely check via fleet carrier management if i can get spot in the large pad system, which i can search the whole system as i have visited it and scanned it. after 2 hrs got a spot, right on the station moon, 11.2Mm trip each way. Supercruise in a T9 was under 20 seconds each way.

So i parked the vette, in the pew pew system, back into the DBX taxi, back to the FC. announced my FC , started doing a few fill runs in my T9, bragged on chat how quick it was, and my FC was full of 19k tritium in under an hour. I did 4 x 756T trips in that hour, other haulers did the rest.

Now i am parked on the sell side system, 18k still to sell, just waiting knowing some one will find it and be tempted and empty it for me. While I carry on with some fun PEW PW Pirate massacre missions 100+ LY away.

Never one to miss a chance. If you want to make 22kT profit offloading Tritium, my FC WOY-3OZ is parked in LENORE system on the moon of GAMOW HUB, 21.8Mm trip, less than 60 seconds flight time. each way. FC name I SELL TRITIUM FOR 30K .

Buy from my FC for 30k, sell to the station for 52k T.

Maybe I'm missing something, but,

You buy ~25000 units of Tritium at 29K

Then sell those 25K units of Tritium for 30K...

That makes you the staggering amount of... 25 thousand credits per carrier roundtrip. Not exactly earth shattering profit.


edit: my math is was wrong, this method makes 25 million credits per roundtrip

 

[GlowyHedgehog]

I think the point is that that's 25K credits for the FC just sitting there while the FC owner is off doing something else? And by doing this repeatedly, that builds up over time. Plus if the profit is low for the FC owner, its' higher for the haulers doing the work, and so it cycles more quickly.

 

[askavir]

I think the point is that that's 25K credits for the FC just sitting there while the FC owner is off doing something else? And by doing this repeatedly, that builds up over time. Plus if the profit is low for the FC owner, its' higher for the haulers doing the work, and so it cycles more quickly.

My numbers were wrong, it's 25 million credits per roundtrip. Now that makes sense as passive profit, 25 thousand would not even pay for the jumps.

 

[MarkyH]

Maybe I'm missing something, but,

You buy ~25000 units of Tritium at 29K

Then sell those 25K units of Tritium for 30K...

That makes you the staggering amount of... 25 thousand credits per carrier roundtrip. Not exactly earth shattering profit.

19.3k T Cargo hold actually due to services. so 1000 x 19300 = 19.3m , If I do 95% passive, just moving the FC. I do a few runs for my own extra profit.

But you miss the point, once set up, as has been mentioned, Haulers find me, and do the work without my input.

As a point in case , my post above was at 12.30pm BST , its now just before 4.30pm BST . I had 18kT still to sell at posting, now i have ................183 T , so pretty much gone.

Other CMDRS have found me passively, and bought 18k T of Tritium off me, in 4 hrs, making me a minimum of 18m credits.

My FC weekly upkeep is 21m.

Just think about that. Every two loads, lets be conservative , and say 24hrs, that others do 95% of the work pay for my FC up keep for a week, and i can move this FC 1-2 times a day easily and have no other input. Like i said. I onlt "work" to earn 400 ARX a week now, after that its all fun a pew pew.

 

[Snowygerry]

My numbers were wrong, it's 25 million credits per roundtrip. Now that makes sense as passive profit, 25 thousand would not even pay for the jumps.

That's remarkably close to what simple cargo missions pay these days :

'Investors need 60 ton of Tritium.'

It almost seems... balanced, somehow

 

[CptArcher]

I'm having a hard time finding fleet carriers to sell to. I'm looking in Inara and Eddb, but I'm often finding the ships not buying any more or not even there. I'm even using the in-game galmap commodity price and viewing by commodity tritium import/export price and trade routes and even that is out of date. I was selling to a carrier and it's demand went to 0 after done, went back to look at the in game galmap and it still showed as that carrier accepting imports even though I know it's not buying any more. What am I doing wrong? I've got a hold full of tritium to sell and trying to figure out best way to do this.

 

[Schmack]

I'm having a hard time finding fleet carriers to sell to. I'm looking in Inara and Eddb, but I'm often finding the ships not buying any more or not even there. I'm even using the in-game galmap commodity price and viewing by commodity tritium import/export price and trade routes and even that is out of date. I was selling to a carrier and it's demand went to 0 after done, went back to look at the in game galmap and it still showed as that carrier accepting imports even though I know it's not buying any more. What am I doing wrong? I've got a hold full of tritium to sell and trying to figure out best way to do this.

Landed on a carrier yesterday that advertised max prices... the prices were exactly average. Didn't buy or sell.

 

[Old Duck]

I just help fill up a carrier that was offering a very fair price for Tritium. I'm guessing he was in a hurry, the price was so good (relative to everything in the area). My only problem is that I stumbled upon him accidentally, as none of the tools available (in-game nor 3rd party) listed him as a buyer.... I get 3rd party lag, but why are in-game tools still broken?

 

[askavir]

19.3k T Cargo hold actually due to services. so 1000 x 19300 = 19.3m , If I do 95% passive, just moving the FC. I do a few runs for my own extra profit.

But you miss the point, once set up, as has been mentioned, Haulers find me, and do the work without my input.

As a point in case , my post above was at 12.30pm BST , its now just before 4.30pm BST . I had 18kT still to sell at posting, now i have ................183 T , so pretty much gone.

Other CMDRS have found me passively, and bought 18k T of Tritium off me, in 4 hrs, making me a minimum of 18m credits.

My FC weekly upkeep is 21m.

Just think about that. Every two loads, lets be conservative , and say 24hrs, that others do 95% of the work pay for my FC up keep for a week, and i can move this FC 1-2 times a day easily and have no other input. Like i said. I onlt "work" to earn 400 ARX a week now, after that its all fun a pew pew.

Indeed, I had my numbers wrong (edited my post), that's why it seemed so weird to me.

 

[GlowyHedgehog]

I just help fill up a carrier that was offering a very fair price for Tritium. I'm guessing he was in a hurry, the price was so good (relative to everything in the area). My only problem is that I stumbled upon him accidentally, as none of the tools available (in-game nor 3rd party) listed him as a buyer.... I get 3rd party lag, but why are in-game tools still broken?

You could bookmark him?

 

[CptArcher]

You could bookmark him?

But once their demand is 0, then what? Would love to. Had a fair buyer yesterday but now his hold is full.

 

[jacozilla]

Predicate. There is only one L landing pad station selling Tritium at around 4kCr per tonne at any one time.

in past 2 weeks, I’ve seen at least 3x on inara when there were 2+ large pad stations selling at ~4k

i went personally to buy at 2 of those stations on two separate occasions i saw this so it wasn’t an inara misreport or lagged update.

seems true there aren’t that many at one time, but definitely not true there can be only one (insert Highlander theme music)

 

[CptArcher]

Is there any way to find carriers buying tritium without resorting to Inara and Eddb other than just dumb luck landing on a carrier and seeing they are buying? I have tried the in-game commodity tool and it does show carriers, but that is often out of date too or am I doing something wrong?

 

[MarkyH]

Is there any way to find carriers buying tritium without resorting to Inara and Eddb other than just dumb luck landing on a carrier and seeing they are buying? I have tried the in-game commodity tool and it does show carriers, but that is often out of date too or am I doing something wrong?

Nope. No way of finding out in game, which is why I now use INARA bulletin board advert. In an ideal world would like hauler works just to live on my FC and see what work is available to/from my FC when they log in.

Dont forget any FC offering high prices near or above the 52k high price selling stations are just looking for a few thousand tons for fuel, and pay good to save mining time and being lazy. Or you have may a explorer who is willing to pay well to fill 18k+ tons to have the hold and tank full for a long trip, but as they could fill it themselves in a T9 / cutter in about 4-5 hrs, they have to be cash rich / time poor explorers to pay 50k T +.

Any trader like me wont want to buy for more than 25k-29k T , when they then have to sell the other side and make a cut.

Buy the way i'm currently selling 18k T @ 30.5k on LFT 37 which buys for 52.6k , ONNES GATEWAY.

 

[CptArcher]

Nope. No way of finding out in game, which is why I now use INARA bulletin board advert. In an ideal world would like hauler works just to live on my FC and see what work is available to/from my FC when they log in.

Dont forget any FC offering high prices near or above the 52k high price selling stations are just looking for a few thousand tons for fuel, and pay good to save mining time and being lazy. Or you have may a explorer who is willing to pay well to fill 18k+ tons to have the hold and tank full for a long trip, but as they could fill it themselves in a T9 / cutter in about 4-5 hrs, they have to be cash rich / time poor explorers to pay 50k T +.

Any trader like me wont want to buy for more than 25k-29k T , when they then have to sell the other side and make a cut.

Buy the way i'm currently selling 18k T @ 30.5k on LFT 37 which buys for 52.6k , ONNES GATEWAY.

Thank you for that. I found your ad and I'll show up for hauling duty later today!

 

[MarkyH]

Thank you for that. I found your ad and I'll show up for hauling duty later today!

Always check the bulletin board ad before leaving, unless very local , or on my FC !! I try to update it a few times a day, especially once i notice if supply/demand has started moving, it becomes like a bees to a honey pot scenario.

Currently 16k demand left so it has dropped 2k since i posted that reply, so someone is working, and it aint me, im cooking a family roast dinner.

 

[Manamana]

Nope. No way of finding out in game, which is why I now use INARA bulletin board advert. In an ideal world would like hauler works just to live on my FC and see what work is available to/from my FC when they log in.

Dont forget any FC offering high prices near or above the 52k high price selling stations are just looking for a few thousand tons for fuel, and pay good to save mining time and being lazy. Or you have may a explorer who is willing to pay well to fill 18k+ tons to have the hold and tank full for a long trip, but as they could fill it themselves in a T9 / cutter in about 4-5 hrs, they have to be cash rich / time poor explorers to pay 50k T +.

Any trader like me wont want to buy for more than 25k-29k T , when they then have to sell the other side and make a cut.

Buy the way i'm currently selling 18k T @ 30.5k on LFT 37 which buys for 52.6k , ONNES GATEWAY.

Of course it is! You can filter in the galaxy map by commodities, and then check all markets with their import and export prices, including carriers, and plan a route with one click to that market!?