Fiction A criticism of Elite's timeline

This is actually a very interesting topic. I actually popped in this thread expecting criticisms on the lack of an officially published complete timeline, and to contribute to that complaint myself. However, this is a far more entertaining discussion.

As has already been pointed out several times, it's easy to pick apart fiction when trying to address realism. I know it's already been mentioned but as far as your primary complaint is concerned I personally fall in the category of agreement with the fact that ship hull designs are capable of lasting for so many years.

You see, spaceflight has no concern for atmospheric flight so propulsion is the only real driver for travel technology. As we know it now there are very few things we would need to account for in space travel beyond the needs of the actual humans involved. Those things include radiation protection for both the ship and crew, gravity and atmospheric flight while exploring. I'm sure there are other needs but it stands to reason that a hull design capable of meeting the requirements of space travel and planetary landing would be created or modified to be upgradable as technology improves. We are already seeing this design philosophy coming into play in software design. Using this philosophy in manufacturing on a universal scale is the next logical step. Especially considering that until recently (~3301) the Frame Shift Drive hadn't yet been invented. So, when you are out in a starship on voyages lasting years hanging around in a cryo pod it stands to reason that when you arrive at your destination you wouldn't want to be required to buy an entirely new starship, but instead be able to upgrade whatever systems are out-dated by the local technology when you arrive at your destination.

Modularity is the future and that is something Elite acknowledges very well and I personally offer that as my counter-point to the OP's argument. As such, I am happy to fly in my Python, which from the various wiki sources was created in 2700, making it a hull design that is now over 600 years old. Not even new metallurgical sciences and discoveries of new elements would eliminate a hull design that is proven to meet the needs of space travel and atmospheric flight. Those technologies would simply be used to manufacture updated versions of those hulls, which is exactly what is happening in Elite.
 
I think that there is another element that has gone unmentioned that needs to be considered: population. I don't know of any census that exists to give us a population figure across the bubble, but it strikes me as pretty significant. A lot of the systems in ED are very populated, and even with booms, it takes time for people to grow a population to the levels that we're seeing, especially on frontier worlds.

Of course, we don't have enough data about living conditions, resources, ect. to make any kind of model for how population growth has happened in the game universe, but it seems pretty reasonable to push out the date to allow for the population growth that we see, regardless of what it seems technology should look like by the year 3301.

Just my two cents.
 
Meanwhile in just 10 generations humanity spreads 500LY putting literally billions and billions of people in each system.

Just go with it. =p
 
Hey all! New to the forums, but I found this thread really interesting. When I first started playing ED a few months ago, seeing the timelines on the ships also surprised me. I'm also an avid follower of Halo lore, and timelines there are similar (hundreds of years with no real development of weaponry).
Anyway, I just wanted to mention housing.
I live in an apartment that was built a couple decades ago.
I've been to castles that people own and live in that are SIGNIFICANTLY nicer than my apartment. These are centuries old, not decades! So with that respect, and the modularity of the ships as previously mentioned, I find it really easy believe the lore that frontier has given.
Just a thought!
 
Hey all! New to the forums, but I found this thread really interesting. When I first started playing ED a few months ago, seeing the timelines on the ships also surprised me. I'm also an avid follower of Halo lore, and timelines there are similar (hundreds of years with no real development of weaponry).
Anyway, I just wanted to mention housing.
I live in an apartment that was built a couple decades ago.
I've been to castles that people own and live in that are SIGNIFICANTLY nicer than my apartment. These are centuries old, not decades! So with that respect, and the modularity of the ships as previously mentioned, I find it really easy believe the lore that frontier has given.
Just a thought!

Good point. I think Elite starships are more like cherished yachts than 3 year leased throw away cars.

Cheers,

Drew.
 
Technology advances to the point of diminishing returns until a new breakthrough occurs. Who cares if something takes an extra nanosecond to process another billion calculations? The technology of ships in the game gives us the capability to travel through interstellar space. That basically means that all resources are 'infinite' for the foreseeable future. Expansion cannot outpace population growth...and population does not appear to be exponential in its growth...which could actually help colonize the galaxy quite quickly. So...why change? The human race, is in a state of relative calm and unlimited wealth. Something COULD come along and upset that balance (please, please!), but that would mean it would have to be a huge threat to the whole of humanities survival...to focus the 'bubble's attention to cause a 'paradigm shift' in technology. Without that impetus...the human race will continue to move along..at its current pace and expansion rate...doing what we do best...exploiting the natural resources we find around us and moving ever outwards.
 
There were two cats in two boxes

Science Fiction is the only genre of writing/filmmaking/etc that is actively ashamed of its own history.

The nature of the genre is that people seek to predict and look for real world futures in the extemporised science (pseudoscience) of each devised reality. H.G. Wells was hailed as a prophet for his use of artillery, Asimov for his laws of robotics, etc. But for each of these there are a dozen other stories with cannons firing spaceships (Verne), anti gravity flight (Wells again), Hypnotism after death (Poe), Warp drive (Star Trek), and countless more.
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I'm incredibly proud and astounded by some of the Science Fiction stories. Anyone who has read "A Logic Named Joe" or "The Marching Morons" will know what I mean. The best science fiction speculates on the future (or distance society) by extrapolating on the situation they see around them. George Orwell's "1984" was more about 1948 than the future.

How do I manage to read older SF books without worrying too much about how the information in them has be proven incorrect? Well I use a simple trick. Back in the 1980s when the Viking Mars Lander touched down and proved the planet to be a barren ball of rust, I imagined the universe split in two and an alternative Lander found creatures whose skin glistened like wet leather and had saucer-like eyes.

Elite is set in the universe which behaves like an extrapolation of the Battle of Britain where spaceships swoop and dogfight in the blackness of space whilst the theme to the 633 squadron plays in the background.

The unlikely alternative universe I'm living in at the moment is an extrapolation of the Wild West where one of the largest and most civilised countries of the world doles out firearms easier then they do car licences.
 
Yeah, the ships haven't "stayed the same" really...

Granted, the design is the same, and the ship layout is very similar, but the tech that goes into the plating, and into the power plant, and into the FSD, and into the thrusters, and everything else changes.
The template of the ship stays the same. The tech doesn't.
 
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