A few questions from a new explorer :D
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How come when you come across UNEXPLORED planets they can still say FIRST DISCOVERED BY?
UNEXPLORED just means YOU haven't discovered it yet. Others may have
So it doesn't mean that someone else found it first but never bothered to claim it?
If it's just me that hasn't discovered it that means the same system is being explored and credits claimed by lots of explorers for the same system?
No it doesn't mean that. Unexplored just refers to you. The only reference to other players having discovered it would be if it says "First Discovered By" on the system map, but otherwise you get no information if someone else has discovered it and not handed it in. It will say "unexplored" to you even if someone else has discovered it, and even if they've handed the data in.
Think of the "Unexplored" tag as being equivalent to the fog on your minimap from places you haven't been yet.
No, if it has the First discovered tag, it is unexplored to you, as drkaii said.
Exactly, lots of systems in inhabited fall in this category.
In fact, you'll find a bunch of systems in the bubble that are unexplored to you. Everyone's galactic map is personal, and can be sold seperately to UC - I saw a fluff explanation that it's useful for places to get multiple reads to compare the data, see any changes etc., but it's mostly a gameplay feature - if exploration was on a first come first served basis, it'd be incredibly difficult to earn anything nowadays.
Exactly. Hence the 1st discovered bonus, to give some recognition to any 1st discoveries.
Thanks for all that, I'll carry on exploring to my hearts content then.
PS - How do you start a new thread? I've done it a few times but can't find anything to click now to start one?
PS - How do you start a new thread? I've done it a few times but can't find anything to click now to start one?
Based on what I have read, how come when I visted LAVE for the first time, or SOL, or VULCAN, all these systems were already explored? Also I am sure I am coming across other systems which are already totally explored when I get there? Further, if I am creating my own 'discovered' universe then the information in my 'file' must be getting bigger and bigger and then multiply that by all users there must be a hec of a lot of information being stored on the server?
The best way to test this is for me to explore and already 'first discovered by' system and then for someone else to go to the same system after I've 'explored' it, if that player went in and it was 'unexplored' the that would be proof we are all creating our own 'explored' universes? Of course it could show up as totally explored because it's been 'first discovered' by someone and then explored by myself? Any takers?
The best way to test this is for me to explore and already 'first discovered by' system and then for someone else to go to the same system after I've 'explored' it, if that player went in and it was 'unexplored' the that would be proof we are all creating our own 'explored' universes? Of course it could show up as totally explored because it's been 'first discovered' by someone and then explored by myself? Any takers?
If they have a station (bigger than an outpost) then all of the system data is public
You start with some systems already in your ship computer. A number more can be bought from UC in game. Those are all that will show up as explored for you without visiting them.
Systems can have 'discovered by' tags on one or more bodies but they will, outside the systems mentioned above, show up as unexplored to you. You can explore them by scanning the bodies and you can sell that data to UC. If you are the first to sell the data on a body it will acquire a 'discovered by' tag in your commander's name that is visible to everyone else.
Every player has their own list of explored bodies, this is separate to the 'discovered by' list. This list is not necessarily a particularly large volume of data.
The ED galaxy is, mostly, procedurally generated. There are a relative handful of systems that have been hand crafted to conform to what we know about the real galaxy, and to match plot elements, but the vast majority are randomly generated - but random only in the sense that nobody knows what is there without looking, everyone who looks will see the same thing.
So the galaxy consists of 400 billion seeds for the procedural generation, the data for first discoveries just needs to be a list of seeds and planet designations tagged, for each player a list of seeds and planet designations explored. So you go to a system and scan the first three planets then all Frontier need to store against your player in the Explored_Bodies table is System xxxx, Planet 1; System xxxx, Planet 2; System xxxx, Planet 3. It's really not all that much data.
Depending on how their procedural generation algorithm runs they may store the full system details generated for System xxxx somewhere the first time they are generated, but there is a good chance that regenerating every time is faster than dealing with database access so they don't even do that.
Systems can have 'discovered by' tags on one or more bodies but they will, outside the systems mentioned above, show up as unexplored to you. You can explore them by scanning the bodies and you can sell that data to UC. If you are the first to sell the data on a body it will acquire a 'discovered by' tag in your commander's name that is visible to everyone else.
Every player has their own list of explored bodies, this is separate to the 'discovered by' list. This list is not necessarily a particularly large volume of data.
The ED galaxy is, mostly, procedurally generated. There are a relative handful of systems that have been hand crafted to conform to what we know about the real galaxy, and to match plot elements, but the vast majority are randomly generated - but random only in the sense that nobody knows what is there without looking, everyone who looks will see the same thing.
So the galaxy consists of 400 billion seeds for the procedural generation, the data for first discoveries just needs to be a list of seeds and planet designations tagged, for each player a list of seeds and planet designations explored. So you go to a system and scan the first three planets then all Frontier need to store against your player in the Explored_Bodies table is System xxxx, Planet 1; System xxxx, Planet 2; System xxxx, Planet 3. It's really not all that much data.
Depending on how their procedural generation algorithm runs they may store the full system details generated for System xxxx somewhere the first time they are generated, but there is a good chance that regenerating every time is faster than dealing with database access so they don't even do that.
OK IAIN666. All understood. However, if you do want to test this I've been to ARTUMES it was unexplored but already first discovered, I have since taken the data to a station and sold it. If your statements are correct then if you go there it will still be UNEXPLORED. I recently also visited KULIGANS which I have not been to but was already fully explored as I arrived. There are stations in these already explored systems which confirms what DRKAII is saying. It's not that important but if you want a mission go to ARTUMES and let me know what you find?
... and I'm on my way out so I'll not be dropping by there anytime soon.
But the 'System map unavailable' means, just like anywhere out in the black, if I jump in I'll see everything I can see as unexplored, and I won't see most of it all, other than stations, unless I honk.
Kuligans I can see the system map for, but nothing is tagged. That would imply that it was in the dataset that I bought from UC when I started (or the default data I had before I bought anything).
This pretty much settles it then, whilst we are exploring the same galaxy in point of fact we are discovering it individually, apart from first discovered, I have to admit being a bit disappointed by this revelation.