A Final Plea to Frontier for Longer Hairstyles

[Martian Successor]

That this thread is now 45 pages long makes me lose a little more hope for humanity, and here I am contributing to its decline. [blah]

Don't sweat it. vrseven has the decline portion covered all by his lonesome. Has been ever since his first couple of posts.

 

[Trinity Star]

My Fallout 4 character uses this not overly long hairstyle, I would want to reproduce this in Elite:

 

[Coik]

That said we would like to add further styles in future releases that convey pinned-up hair, or long hair tied back.

Ed, thanks very much for bring the feedback to the devs and bringing us the results. It's disappointing, but I'm glad to see that even tied up hair will be an option in the future. I suppose I'll just be holding on to my hostage for a while, then, but remember that if the devs reconsider, I will be there to say:

Spoiler

(As in, I'd be perfectly willing to go in for a reasonably priced "Long hair pack" or something )

Can somebody replace the word "final" with the word "relentless" in the thread title please?

What will come first? The end of this thread, or heat death?

 

[afreeflyingsoul]

I'd like them longer hairstyles too. But why no such? Because: Remlok. Long hair could cause your death in case of canopy breach and the Remlok getting stuck when being deployed. It's not that we couldn't have them per se... it's merely a safety issue.

But some of us might want to die beautiful...

 

[Sir.Tj]

Knock off the personal comments.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Pretty much going to say what the vast majority of us are thinking right now.

Wind your neck in, will you?

I am pretty sure that "vast majority" is just a very wrong assumption.

You are correct. There was a feline species and reptilian if I recall right.

BUT. The pilots federation is human in design. You won't see any aliens there flying the ships we do I think.

I can see the value of adding buns or up hair styles for those that need it. Simple to model and a devent middle ground.


I want a beard. Will I get one. Doubtful. My character will simple have shorter facial hair than I would like. Actually there's a solid chance helmet full time if it looks good enough

yes the full helmet option is the only one left to cover in lack of proper self identification for people like OP, this way underneath it is whatever imagination gives you, even if it may be odd wearing a helmet like 24/7, as this is very much the entire time we spent in our ship.

 

[syngyne]

Not that difficult to implement nice looking long hair, as I stated earlier in thread, attach the hair bone to the shoulder bone, problem solved, no clipping or technical issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNZVulponVM

How would that work for space, though? If you reverse, that ponytail should be flung out in front of you, not attached to your shoulder.

For the zero G thing: most simple solution would be a pony tail style with magnetic hairtie, that would keep the hair together and in palce when the magnet attaches to the suit.

on the other side we needs long hair substitudes so that people like Op know the long hair is at their character, yet not visible because of (im)practical reasons.

stuff like

http://deblog.vpfashion.com/wp-cont...uren-selber-machen-mit-clip-in-extensions.jpg
https://deavita.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lässig-dutt-lang-haare-flechten-selber.jpg

now lets plea for beards

Yeah, I think hairstyles like this would be fine - shows that the character has long hair, but it's kept out of the way and no physics to worry about. Also, maybe have an alternate style with the hair down that only shows up when walking around on stations and such.

 

[Magic Man]

How would that work for space, though? If you reverse, that ponytail should be flung out in front of you, not attached to your shoulder.

Not unless they also intend to animate the whole body to move and react as well.

Nobody has an issue with 'static' long hair in Skyrim, Mass Effect etc.

 

[RagingxPenguin]

Yes the full helmet option is the only one left to cover in lack of proper self identification for people like OP, this way underneath it is whatever imagination gives you, even if it may be odd wearing a helmet like 24/7, as this is very much the entire time we spent in our ship.

If all other options are unacceptable and there is little attempt to compromise on the players end they have little choice.
Personally. I'll work with whats given to me. If I don't like it. Helmet time

 

[Stealthie]

But some of us might want to die beautiful...

Terminal exposure to vacuum is rarely a good look.

 

[Momoka Azuka]

FD was very clear about this issue, in this very thread. Its a dead issue.

You made your point alright. Can you please just stop now. It's not funny anymore

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[WR3ND]

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I suppose so... And no offense to the OP. Nothing wrong with voicing a personal preference even if others don't agree with it, unless you're in North Korea or something. I just don't get the "debate" so much here.

I personally don't think long hair would be all that practical for a Commander in the Pilots Federation and if they wanted to have it and have it more contained, that would make more sense to me in tactical roles in 0g, but I'm not going to rag on someone else for wanting long, free flowing hair.

I'll leave it at that and let the rest of you carry on as you might see fit.

Good luck. o7

 

[Sir.Tj]

Ok, remember to discuss the post and not the poster please.

 

[Darkphoenix]

You made your point alright. Can you please just stop now. It's not funny anymore

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That's is not at all what my post have done. I said it in the OP that I identify strongly with my characters I create. You're trying to make it some like I have a mental condition.

That would imply that there was some humor at some point and I fail to see at which point any of the posters comments in question have been in the slightest bit humorous....

 

[CMDR Kantos Kan]

I've decided to give this one final appeal in the hopes that someone at Frontier sees this post and would reconsider there stance on hair options. Also forgive me for the wording here, I'm on my phone on a tour bus while on vacation as I'm writing this.

Many of us have stated that we were hoping for longer hair options with the character creator, especially on the female avatars. As a woman with long hair in real life, I've always envisioned my character to also have long hair. Now I get why some might see this as a minor thing but for the role players around this community our's character's appearance to the world is just as important as our ability to hyperspace jump.

For me personally the character creator is the single most important update to Elite Dangerous because it finally gives others a face to put with the words written about my character. However, since the original reveal of the NPC portraits in the 2.1 update I and many others have had concerns about the lack of hair on the female characters. For me that concern is an actual fear. That fear grew once the PS4 trailer was released and there was a woman in the co pilot seat and she still had crazy short hair.

This was frightening because it hinted at the idea of my character, who is based directly off me in my real life, won't almost certainly be forced to have short hair. I'm not comfortable with that idea. So much so that it strongly threatens my future in this game. I've always have had extremely long hair in real life, usually dyed pink. In most video games where a character creator allowed for it my characters would always have the longest hair possible that also was dyed to match my personality.

In Elite until now I as a role player has had to rely solely on my mind's eye and my words to envision and describe CMDR Momoka Azuka, 5 foot 1, petite build, long flowing hair dyed her signature pink with the one exception of when it was dyed blue to aid in keeping her off the radar while on the run. My character's hair is so important in my it's been used as a plot device. A part of that comes from my own personal struggles with my identity. That's not a reason to cater to me. I'm simply explaining why I feel so strongly about this topic.

So when the live stream went live, I was watching quietly with my fingers crossed that there would be options that fit my character. Sadly, my heart broke when the only even remotely close option was a super thin ponytail was the longest hairstyle in the bunch. I was and still am devastated by that reveal.

Several people have said multiple times that the reasoning for this choice is due to the Remlok helmets on our flight suits. Now I understand that you're programming a game to be within a form of realism but this is a bit extreme and quite honestly from my point of view it feel unfair.

There's no hair options at all that could be of shoulder length? Not one? There's not a single option there for people like me who would very much be lost in an otherwise wonderful character creator for hours on end and have the ability to express ourselves to the world through our avatars. I can't help but feel strongly about this because this isn't something I can opt out of if I don't like it like powerplay or cqc. And I can't simply ignore it either because everything else about the character creator is really strong.

Frontier, I'm begging, pleading with you, please. You have a very good thing here with this character creator. It's the strongest one I've seen in this style of game in a very long time. But I can not even remotely enjoy it when there's not a single option for the female avatars that even remotely like hair I would have. Please reconsider adding in a few shoulder length hair styles, within reason. Please, even if that means just a tiny amount of hand-waving needs to happen.

The options can quite honestly be as simple as thicker higher up ponytails that drop down tho the tip of where the thin one in the live stream was. Other options a well of a few styles of straight hair that reach shoulder length. The styles can be static if need be just as long as it's something. Perhaps maybe the style Ciri or Triss had in The Whiter 3. Or a few of the mid range hairstyles in the Sims games. They don't have to be dynamic like in those games, I'm only referring to the styles. They should still be within reason to fit into the Remlok system in a reasonable state. But please Frontier, please not just that one extremely thin ponytail.

I'd post pictures of examples but as I said before I'm on my phone as I'm writing this.

I know there's going to be a lot of hate coming to this thread but I feel this is far too important to just give up on. To all the players that are going to post here about other issues that they feel are important, please try to keep in mind that for some of us this is just as important what ever issues you address. That doesn't mean those issues don't matter at all to me. This post is simply a request to reconsider something that would make a lot of role players, and me especially enjoy the content of the 2.3 update more.

Fully agree with you and your concerns. I always loved women with long hair. It would be sad if there weren't any women with long hair in ED...

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Terminal exposure to vacuum is rarely a good look.

But it would surely look better with long hair beatifully spreading around.

 

[Martian Successor]

But it would surely look better with long hair beatifully spreading around.

Death by fashion. The most fabulous way to die

 

[Momoka Azuka]

I suppose so... And no offense to the OP. Nothing wrong with voicing a personal preference even if others don't agree with it, unless you're in North Korea or something. I just don't get the "debate" so much here.

I personally don't think long hair would be all that practical for a Commander in the Pilots Federation and if they wanted to have it and have it more contained, that would make more sense to me in tactical roles in 0g, but I'm not going to rag on someone else for wanting long, free flowing hair.

I'll leave it at that and let the rest of you carry on as you might see fit.

Good luck. o7

I've already said several times that I'm only looking options, ponytails, buns, an updue, but not something so short that I can't envision myself with it like now. There's a very wide middle ground between my ideal character and the current choices that we can meet at. But if I were to never voice that as some people seem to think I shouldn't then how middle ground ever be reached?

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That would imply that there was some humor at some point and I fail to see at which point any of the posters comments in question have been in the slightest bit humorous....

True. But I figured he must be finding it funny

 

[CMDR Kantos Kan]

FD just showed a yuge amount of awesomeness with only a part of 2.3, and more will be coming on Thursday. I suggest IF you want to be taken seriously, is to wait until beta starts, play beta, then make your concerns about 2.3 beta known. Now is not the time. And realize the yuge amount of work FD is doing and understand they can not please everyone. I waited a year for somethings that I had wished FD did previously.

I'm sorry but to wait until the beta starts is too late. For those who don't know what "beta" release in software means, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.

The interesting part is "software is feature complete". You usually don't add new features to the software so, I would assume that adding long hair would be a new feature. And no, adding them to the commander creator is only a small part of the feature, you also need to show the hair from every possible angle while in the game which may or may not be a lot of work...

 

[RagingxPenguin]

I've already said several times that I'm only looking options, ponytails, buns, an updue, but not something so short that I can't envision myself with it like now. There's a very wide middle ground between my ideal character and the current choices that we can meet at. But if I were to never voice that as some people seem to think I shouldn't then how middle ground ever be reached?

Well I mean considering its not even out yet... Just relax. Give it time.

I'm betting and this is just me and probably a sound marketing move on frontiers end...

Add new hairstyles in market place.
People can purchase what they want and frontier isnt dumping hours into something for free. Plus that's a pretty standard move for most games these days