Sounds like the most boring way to play the game personally. No thanks.
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Sounds like the most boring way to play the game personally. No thanks.
Not only boring, but its also slower AND it puts you at greater risk for interdiction. Conventional forum wisdom regarding Supercruise is almost a guide on how to be interdicted easily and repeatedly...
Hmm...
Agreed. I just don't understand why people want to play like that. It's like they have gone "how can I make this game as boring as possible to play, thats how, I will do that" and then go and do that, and then complain about it. I have always said the game is what you make it. That is the main reason why I like it so much, it is all in your own hands how entertained you are.
It's a game about choice, not progression. I have always wondered if I am playing the same game as others when they warn new players that this game is a massive progression based game.
Well I think flight assist is boring. And since I think it's boring, then it should be banned from the game, because, you know, I'm forced to use flight assist. Oh, wait....
(FTR, I actually love and depend on FA-On, so please don't take it away)
I now return you to your originally scheduled OP discussion
(FTR, I actually love and depend on FA-On, so please don't take it away)
I now return you to your originally scheduled OP discussion
Well I think flight assist is boring. And since I think it's boring, then it should be banned from the game, because, you know, I'm forced to use flight assist. Oh, wait....
(FTR, I actually love and depend on FA-On, so please don't take it away)
I now return you to your originally scheduled OP discussion
Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. FA-on and FA-off are still both fully interactive parts of the game. What is interactive with auto pilot and sitting there doing absolutely nothing with the computer doing it for you. There already is a form of autopilot in SC, it slows and speeds up for you. It doesn't need any more automation.
My point was that just because you think something is boring doesn't mean everyone does, nor should optional "boring ideas" be forbidden because you think it would ruin the game for you. I actually do think docking computers are, how did you put it? "Sounds like the most boring way to play the game personally." That's it. I definitely say "No thanks" to docking computers (I enjoy docking manually). Do I berate others who use it, or insist FDev remove it? Absolutely not. Why should I? Your use of a docking computer has zero effect on my personal gameplay.
Anyway, this is not my thread, so I'm ducking out (yes that's a pun), and I'll let the OP defend his version of autopilot if he wants. If you want to argue with my idea, you can do so here.
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No Autopilot ever please.
Explorers like to feel that they have acheived something that an extremely limited amount of people are willing to do.
I don't want to make a million jumps so I never will. But it is what explorers live for.
I don't wish to take anything away from them. They are one of the key foundation pillars of Elite society.
Explorers like to feel that they have acheived something that an extremely limited amount of people are willing to do.
I don't want to make a million jumps so I never will. But it is what explorers live for.
I don't wish to take anything away from them. They are one of the key foundation pillars of Elite society.
I don't really care how people play the game. They can play however they want, but what really annoys me is when they decide to play the game in the most boring way possible and then complain about it.
If an autopilot module (and it should be one like the docking computer is) becomes available, it's not going to bother me as I won't use. But I can bet you that there will be even more complaints about how boring it is, or I was interdicted and destroyed while on autopilot and I was washing the dishes at the time sort of thing, and then people will want no interdictions while on autopilot, and then it becomes a slippery slope into a game which you just watch and don't interact with at all. I am overreacting a bit here as I don't think it will ever get that bad, but it's just an example.
I'm gonna need more coffee...
After reading the 2.4 beta thread it would appear that they are taking all the danger out of exploration. Getting pretty fed up with it all to be honest.
On the bright side my avatar can have long hair whilst the game isn't running.
Fair enough. I promise, pinky-swear, not to be one of those people. I like to study the system map while I'm in SC to a distant station, as well as use the PS4's awesome headlook mechanic to "look around" at the planets I'm passing. And yes, sometimes I do want to get up and wash some dishes, especially when a station is 20 minutes away. Keeping a station centered in my screen during SC and then pushing a button when told is just not my idea of "thrilling" gameplay.
Now I'm cool with a compromise, which is future NPC copilots for multi-seat ships that can take the helm between star and station. I would enjoy hearing my panicking copilot yelling out, "Commander, we've been interdicted! You need to take the stick now!!" or someday when we have spacelegs, "Interdiction alert - commander to the bridge!"
In the meantime, I might build my own copilot out of a Raspberry Pi. David Braben would approve, I'm sure
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A Great Post which I agree with 90%, and with options 100%
I suggest anyone who does not want to read the post all the way through,
get a Text to Speech app and play the post with it.
It will be worth it.
In regards to in game media, I would like to see a Gal Net TV Channel, played in the spot for Gal Net, while at Stations,
and In the Cockpit while in Space.
Your Ship Media Player, should have the option to change channels to other things like you tube and/or whatever your settings are,
for Movie, Music, and Voice, should you be into audio books ect.
Reading between the lines, I think the biggest thing is "OPTIONS", allowing for a Larger Player Base, across all the Different Player opinions.
Also in regards to those who Troll or make Rude comments, because they show themselves Lacking an Understanding of Manners.
Understand that when you make such posts or comments, you are being the same as one who Farts while others carry on a conversation,
you offer only a puff of Hot Air, and a Bad Smell that is attached to yourself, on the Thread.
Next time Please take the time to think, and post something with Merit, OR Stop taking up my Screen Space with manure.
I suggest anyone who does not want to read the post all the way through,
get a Text to Speech app and play the post with it.
It will be worth it.
In regards to in game media, I would like to see a Gal Net TV Channel, played in the spot for Gal Net, while at Stations,
and In the Cockpit while in Space.
Your Ship Media Player, should have the option to change channels to other things like you tube and/or whatever your settings are,
for Movie, Music, and Voice, should you be into audio books ect.
Reading between the lines, I think the biggest thing is "OPTIONS", allowing for a Larger Player Base, across all the Different Player opinions.
Also in regards to those who Troll or make Rude comments, because they show themselves Lacking an Understanding of Manners.
Understand that when you make such posts or comments, you are being the same as one who Farts while others carry on a conversation,
you offer only a puff of Hot Air, and a Bad Smell that is attached to yourself, on the Thread.
Next time Please take the time to think, and post something with Merit, OR Stop taking up my Screen Space with manure.
I totally agree. I myself am only advocating for a supercruise autopilot. I think it's easy to explain why we don't (and won't) have hyperspace autopilots - just look how "witchspace" screws up our instruments! A hyperspace autopilot could not possibly work with all that interference.
Avago Earo
Banned
Maybe because only an extremely limited amount of people are prepared to point at a reticle for hours on end between 'honking'.
OK, I'm now on a device that makes replying to this post easier. Let's break this apart.
Which is part of the problem. These really SHOULD'VE been threads in their own right. You would've gotten much better feedback. Most people are put off by novella length forum posts.
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This complaint stems from the fact that there is no traditional progression in this game. There's no leveling up. There's no skill trees to progress down. Reputation ebbs and flows, and the "Elite" ranks are effectively meaningless. Once you reach a certain point in the game, you have multiple ships, plus modules for those ships, so there is very little point of showing ONLY those missions you qualify for. You could very easily want to take a lucrative contract that requires only swapping out a single module in your ship to take it, or swapping ships. Hiding missions that you don't qualify for at this time means you could easily miss out on a high-paying mission, a mission providing valuable materials for engineering, one that better suits your long term plans.
Which brings us to background sim play, which a lot of players enjoy, and many consider the true game within the game. In BGS play, frequently the effects of the mission on a faction are the true reward, not the credits (which are a bonus.) If you stumble upon a system on the verge of outbreak, it is well worth your while to outsource 4 tons of biowaste, even if it's simply a "newbie mission," so you can make a killing on delivering medicines.
It is also very difficult to judge the difficulty of any particular mission, because ships can vary so much. An unarmed blockade runner, piloted by a Commander who's logged hundreds of hours in THAT particular ship, can easily be less at risk from NPCs than a similar combat ranked Commander who only has 40 hours in the entire game from grinding Quince, and has never flown their ship before today.
There is absolutely no requirement to take a mission to go exploring. In fact, it's often better NOT to take a mission, and explore at your own pace. The money you may get from a long-range sight seeing mission is tithe of what you'll make from simply exploring. Furthermore, bringing juicy exploration data on an unclaimed Earth-like world is a GREAT way to boost your standing with who you're selling the data to. That's usually my strategy when moving to a new theatre of operations. Take a week to explore, and use the data to get instantly allied with the station owners.
As for whether your standing with a major faction in general should matter to a minor faction...
Look at it from their view point. You've just breezed into the system. The Governor doesn't know you from Adam, and you're a member of the Pilot's Federation, so your allegiance is suspect. Far too many "loyal sons and daughters" turned out to be anything but, switching sides once they'd gotten what they wanted. Until you've built up a relationship with them, they really don't have any good reason to trust you right off the bat, and plenty of reasons not to. Heck, they're doing you a favor by not blowing you out of the sky when you arrived.
Personally, I would like to see more internal divisions in the major factions outside of Power Play. There is no reason why two Federation factions in a system should play nice with each other, and IMO it would make the game much more interesting. Whether it is friendly rivalry, or a centuries old feud, it would add a lot more character to various factions beyond their allegiance and their government type.
I understand your complaint, but the reality is that you're playing an online game where the evolving galaxy is a major attraction, not a single player-game where the Universe is paused when you save your game. Failure has just as much effect as success on the BGS, and its unreasonable for a time critical mission to be put on pause if you can't complete it during a game session.
This is a good idea, as long as it takes time for your customized mission to appear. Not saying that you can't do anything while its generating, but its quite unreasonable to expect to dock at a station small station, and there just happens to be eight CEOs, six starlets, a politician, and his mistress, all of whom just ALL happen to to show up to the dock heading to your destination. Oh, and they happen to be bringing exactly 96 tons of personal effects with them.
Nor should you expect the same rewards as a standard mission. After all, the current mission system represents the deviations from the norm. The factory owner just had their expected shipment pirated in route, and it'll take two weeks to get another one through normal channels, which means they'll miss their deadline. Mr. "Family Values" is up for re-election, and booking a normal transport wouldn't be clandestine enough. The company lawyer needs to be at her destination by 17:00 UTC to close a deal, and there's nobody going in that direction. 17:01 simply won't cut it.
As I've said before, there is no traditional progression in this game. Anything you can do in an Anaconda you can do in a Sidewinder. The moment you start thinking, "I'll grind at X until I get Y, and THEN I'll have fun with Z," your ruining the game for yourself. The small ships are GREAT for the player who doesn't have a lot of time on their hands. They're cheap, they're maneuverable as hell in Supercruise, and they're extremely profitable relative to the larger ships. It's the difference between getting enough for ten rebuys from the profits of a single mission, vs. getting one rebuy for five missions.
This is doubly true for a new player. The small ships are idea to experiment with and make your mistakes in.
Here's my chief objection to an autopilot as you describe. You can stick a penny in your keyboard, plot an economical 10kly route, and you don't even need to be at your computer anymore. Want to go to Colonia? Start the trip before you go to work, jam that penny into your ADS button, and when you get home, you'll be there with millions of credits worth of exploration data. I have seen stuff like this happen in WAY too many games.
There's way too much automation and "get rich quick" schemes in this game as it is. Want to get to Elite in exploration in an evening? Here's the list! Want to get to Elite in trading with no risk, and all reward? We've got a site for that!
You do realize that you're telling the Dev Team that their game is so boring, you want them to them to waste their time adding a media player to the game, right?
I also loved this line, "This game does require a lot of on the web research, and if you want the most bang for your buck, a lot of third party websites too... "
[voice=announcer]Why play the game by developing your own skills, learning new game mechanics, and having fun? Just turn off your brain, and let our algorithms and bots do your playing for you! Just sit back and watch Neflix. We've got you covered! Sure, it'll take you three times as long vs someone who knows how to actually play the game, but at least you can catch the next season of Game of Thrones![/voice]
As much as I like these third-party sites for offline reference, they're great for figuring out the price of tea at Azaban city, in the game I've always relied on the skills I've developed, and the tools the game actually provides. I can make three cargo runs winging it, at 900 credits/ton of profit per trip, in the time it takes to research and run a 1200 credits/ton trip via those websites.
Reading this again, I still get the feeling that we're playing very different games. I'm playing a fun, usually fast-paced space sim where I sometimes don't turn on the TV for days because I don't need a distraction from the game, and this was before I got a VR headset. Even on a simple cargo run, I'm trying to keep track of many different things at once, primarily because I'm also trying to accomplish many different things at once.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to end this here. Laundry's done, and I'd like to get at least an hour of Elite: Dangerous tonight before bed. I'm getting very close to adding a Type-9 to my stable of ships. Because it shares quite a few core modules types with the Anaconda, I can use it to get the 'Conda's modules ready, and then use it in CGs until I can afford the actual Hull.
Over a dozen engineered and A-specced ships in my stable, my two largest being a Type-7 blockade runner and my Python. Just shy of 100 million credits in the bank. 500 hours logged in to THIS commander since my last reset just before release. I've never ground, always had fun, never watched Netflix, and spent way too much time on unprofitable activities like Buckyball Racing, conducting surface surveys after Horizons released, or just fooling around.
Others may disagree, but personally I think I'm doing something right.
I may or may not reply to the rest of the your book. Tomorrow's another busy day at work and afterwards, and I need me some Elite time.
Oh dear.
You don't appear to have actually considered any if the OP, just critiqued it from the viewpoint if the current game.
For instance, why must *all* of the missions have a tight temporal deadline?
What could possibly be the negative impact *to you* IR *to the game* to have some missions on the board that don't time out in 24hrs.
The answer, of course, is that it wouldn't impact on you, or any other players, or the game, despite your negative response.
In other words you have invested no time in proper analysis (or are exceptionally closed minded or hyyst plainly don't want others with less time to play to actually enjoy the game). Which is unfortunate.
Similarly in other topics and suggestions, you just defend the status quo with no real overall analysis.
The OP has spent a lot if time creatively analysing and suggesting improvements for the general player base, nine of which I can tell would be if a negative impact to any other player, including yourself. For instance, I'm pretty certain that he wasn't arguing that *all* missions should have more loosely defined timescales for completion. Just some...
Thoughts?
Got to agree with the guys saying that this is a game you learn, gradually, over time. That's the whole fun bit of it. It has a nice steep learning curve, and thus keeps it interesting. There is always something more to learn.
This is not Duke Nukem, where you have only a few things to learn before you can play!
This is not Duke Nukem, where you have only a few things to learn before you can play!
Yup thats probably one of the reasons. After reaching Elite in exploration and having more than 1000h in game I say - give me optional jump autopilot PLEAASE!
TLDR - I stopped at "I desperately want to like this game". If you don't like it, don't play it. Don't ask the Devs to tailor the game to suit your needs. They don't owe you anything, and you're one person out of thousands who DO enjoy the game.
I used to enjoy exploring in this game until I came to the conclusion that there's very little out there to find. So guess what, I chose something else to do. Bounty hunting, passenger missions, and playing other games. Because FDev don't owe me anything, and I choose my entertainment to suit my wants and needs.
Sorry but the whole " I want to like the game so please change it" is <ahem> ridiculous.
I used to enjoy exploring in this game until I came to the conclusion that there's very little out there to find. So guess what, I chose something else to do. Bounty hunting, passenger missions, and playing other games. Because FDev don't owe me anything, and I choose my entertainment to suit my wants and needs.
Sorry but the whole " I want to like the game so please change it" is <ahem> ridiculous.
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Speaking of Devs, perhaps you TL;DRed right past:
Just wanted to chip in and say thanks to Hat Man for the feedback. I've just got into the office so will be spending a while going through the OP and the subsequent replies to put together some points from the discussion. There's a lot of text in the OP, but please refrain from attacking that if you're not interested in the discussion points. I urged this feedback be posted (and/or PM'd to me) and I'm glad that it was posted because hopefully it sparks some interesting discussion. Let's keep it civil and constructive, if only to make it easier for me to gather feedback and counter-points from you all. Thaaaaaanks!
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