Astronomy / Space A mysterious Apollo 17 picture for you

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So I'm not really into big secrets and Illuminati stuff you know, but I found this on the NASA image archive.

AS17-135-20680HR.jpg


I played around with it in photoshop, adjusted contrast and brightness, I clearly see something :p

Photoshopped link.

lOxDcOL.jpg


Anyway, fake or not, pyramid or moutain, I thought it was cool.

Peace.
 
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Para Handy

Para Handy
If you look at the index of images you will see that it is the floor of the lunar reconnaissance vehicle (LRV) the previous images in the sequence are clearly of the LRV, e.g.:


https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-135-20679HR.jpg

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... and also...

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-135-20678.jpg

etc

The images are from "Apollo 17 Image Library" [SIZE=+1]"Magazine 135/G (B&W) EVA-2, Frames 20533-20680"

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/

So the only mystery really is how anyone found the image without reading the index / catalogue of images taken during apollo17?


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I still see a difference between the pics you posted of clear mechanical parts and the one I posted where I personally see a lit upper section (let's call it sky, mkay) and a darker bottom section (let's call it ground, mhhkay).

And concerning the index mystery, we clearly need some more tinfoil.
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Dsign said:
I still see a difference between the pics you posted of clear mechanical parts and the one I posted where I personally see a lit upper section (let's call it sky, mkay) and a darker bottom section (let's call it ground, mhhkay).

And concerning the index mystery, we clearly need some more tinfoil.
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Look at the images in sequence from that roll of film, the preceding four all show the LRV structure (presumably as they were leaving it after the EVA)...

You don't need tinfoil, you just need to look at the evidence - it is there in front of you, no need for fanciful "pyramids" ....

There is even a link to the explanation and transcript of the conversations accompanying that series of images:

"142:50:40 Schmitt: Bob, I feel the same way; but I want to get this camera fixed. (Pause) I mean (get) the film changed.

142:50:46 Parker: Okay.
[Before taking Magazine 135/G off his camera, Jack advances the film and gets four frames, AS17-135- 20676, to 20679, showing the LRV seats and floor.] [Schmitt - "During the pre-mission training, we spent a lot of time outside and pressurized, training for the EVAs down at the Cape in a simulated traverse area."]
................ "


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no [alien] in sight
 
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MalcYorks said:
Look at the images in sequence from that roll of film, the preceding four all show the LRV structure (presumably as they were leaving it after the EVA)...

You don't need tinfoil, you just need to look at the evidence - it is there in front of you, no need for fanciful "pyramids" ....

There is even a link to the explanation and transcript of the conversations accompanying that series of images:

"142:50:40 Schmitt: Bob, I feel the same way; but I want to get this camera fixed. (Pause) I mean (get) the film changed.

142:50:46 Parker: Okay.
[Before taking Magazine 135/G off his camera, Jack advances the film and gets four frames, AS17-135- 20676, to 20679, showing the LRV seats and floor.] [Schmitt - "During the pre-mission training, we spent a lot of time outside and pressurized, training for the EVAs down at the Cape in a simulated traverse area."]
................ "


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no [alien] in sight
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Okay, now you ruined it.
You win.
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Unfortunately NASA has redacted the audio of ..

"... Schmitt: ... Hey Bob I'll just use my last frame on the roll to take a picture of the huge alien pyramid we landed next to but were told to pretend we couldn't see.... "

"... Parker: - OK but watch you don't get too much sunlight in and ruin the exposure...."

;)

EDIT: P.S. Sorry about the capitalization and bold font in an earlier post, it came from copying and pasting from the NASA page - it wasn't an attempt at emphasis by me.
 
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By any chance, you wouldn't know your way around the SOHO imagery aswell ? I've got some pretty interesting stuff you might explain to me :)
You know, since we're here.. Educate me !

Can you tell me what that thing is ?
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You can view the full sequence here, just select the LASCO C2 image type.

And this for bonus, on one frame there is an artifact which wasn't there originally (apparently... I can't say for sure since I don't own the original pic).

Image1, cropped by the owner.
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Image2, same timestamp
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I have no further data available to me than the images you see. The first image details as:


DGYJ5NT.jpg



.. unless it is an angel then I assume it is plasma transiting outwards in the solar wind. Examining the frames before and after shows that it would presumably not have been in frame due to the speed of the wind, similarly looking at the bracketed times on LASCO C3 images shows no trace either.

Your second image looks just like an artefact produced by some image processing at some point. Obviously I can't see the original either. It is interesting that there is a large CME in that day's images - maybe that is why they were subject to processing?

I'm only an amateur astronomer so I have no deep insights available, sorry.


[where is it]
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Of course if you want to see the tinfoil brigade's fascination with misinterpreting things, you can look at this yootoobe with crazy commentary:


[video=youtube;f34eYOwF4wU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f34eYOwF4wU[/video]



(It is Mercury transiting the view.)
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Another explanation for the "angel" / "parasol" might come from so-called "disturbances". I found this on wikipedia:

"
Disturbances

The LASCO instruments are not the newest. They were built in the late 1980s, when a digital camera was something very special. Sometimes disturbances do happen.

There are two kinds that repeatedly occur:

  1. Blackouts and Whiteouts, in broken lines, circle-like shapes, or over the whole picture. They are caused by the electronics box. There has never been a firmware update, since it was judged as too sensitive changing the flight-software.
  2. Black and white pixels, occurring in patterns, without pattern or alone. Those "missing blocks" are telemetry dropouts, caused by radio interference or a disturbance in the data transfer to Goddard Space Flight Center. "
"

Not very convincing, since the pixels don't appear fully black or white but I thought I'd share since the "angel" doesn't appear in the outflow in the wider-angle, later C3 images.

[arrrr]
 

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I think I found the answer to the first set of pics, it's just an Ark from Mass Effect

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Seriously though, thanks for the informations there !

I'm really new into this astronomy field, ED pushed me into this (as an early amateur, lol)... I'm very curious about all these things but there's too much to look up, I don't know where to start. :S
I guess I'll watch Cosmos one more time.
 

Para Handy

Para Handy
Dsign said:
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Seriously though, thanks for the informations there !

I'm really new into this astronomy field, ED pushed me into this (as an early amateur, lol)... I'm very curious about all these things but there's too much to look up, I don't know where to start. :S
I guess I'll watch Cosmos one more time.
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No worries. - Since you were looking at the Soho imagery you might be interested in receiving alerts about aurora probabilities (geomagnetic activity alerts). We had a red alert for 8th and there was quite a display, viewable far south, unfortunately I was clouded out.

You get them from here:

https://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/alerts/

... they are quite accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-41202112

http://news.sky.com/story/solar-storm-showers-the-uk-with-northern-lights-11025082



:)

EDIT - Hmm, it seems you are in Switzerland so the UK stuff is of no use to you. There is a European "version" but Switzerland is too far south for aurora sightings I believe. Euro version anyway:

http://www.aurora-service.eu/

... sorry

[where is it]
 
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MalcYorks said:
No worries. - Since you were looking at the Soho imagery you might be interested in receiving alerts about aurora probabilities (geomagnetic activity alerts). We had a red alert for 8th and there was quite a display, viewable far south, unfortunately I was clouded out.

You get them from here:

https://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/alerts/

... they are quite accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-41202112

http://news.sky.com/story/solar-storm-showers-the-uk-with-northern-lights-11025082



:)

EDIT - Hmm, it seems you are in Switzerland so the UK stuff is of no use to you. There is a European "version" but Switzerland is too far south for aurora sightings I believe. Euro version anyway:

http://www.aurora-service.eu/

... sorry

[where is it]
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Arry said:
Or a Cone: Created by a circular wind? :D Very cool, any way.
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Apparently its just a part of the LRV, I like to believe its something else but... Like MalcYorks said, the evidence is right there. (Unless NASA is lying, hey, a man can dream)
 

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MalcYorks said:
No worries. - Since you were looking at the Soho imagery you might be interested in receiving alerts about aurora probabilities (geomagnetic activity alerts). We had a red alert for 8th and there was quite a display, viewable far south, unfortunately I was clouded out.

You get them from here:

https://aurorawatch.lancs.ac.uk/alerts/

... they are quite accurate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-41202112

http://news.sky.com/story/solar-storm-showers-the-uk-with-northern-lights-11025082



:)

EDIT - Hmm, it seems you are in Switzerland so the UK stuff is of no use to you. There is a European "version" but Switzerland is too far south for aurora sightings I believe. Euro version anyway:

http://www.aurora-service.eu/

... sorry

[where is it]
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Oh man... I knew I would eventually find a downside to be living in a healthy country ! I recently bought a nice telescope though, I'll have plenty of amazing things to see anyway :)

I'll keep it short, I'm on my phone... Thank you for all the links, I will take a look nontheless, I might still find some useful information !
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Dsign said:
Oh man... I knew I would eventually find a downside to be living in a healthy country ! I recently bought a nice telescope though, I'll have plenty of amazing things to see anyway :)

I'll keep it short, I'm on my phone... Thank you for all the links, I will take a look nontheless, I might still find some useful information !
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The SOHO thing just looks like an image error to me. If you look through other images you can see that pretty much every one has some kind of anomaly on it.

I can only see one thing that day that doesn't appear to be an image error. It starts at 17:00 if you want to have a look for it!


One thing to bear in mind in general with any image taken in space is that the equipment does not get the atmospheric shielding from cosmic rays that terrestrial equipment receives.

Cosmic rays will hit the detector and any that hit when an image is being taken will show on it.

In a direct equivalence it's also generally accepted that Astronauts also 'see' cosmic rays in space. 'See' isn't really the right word though as it's a result of the energetic charged particles interacting with the visual systems (the various parts of the eye, nerves, and neurons in the brain) rather than how light is seen.


It's a good principle to always account for errors, especially from known sources, before looking for alternative explanations.


Fun* fact on cosmic rays... The most energetic cosmic ray recorded was roughly 20 Million times the collision energy of the LHC. And that's only in the 60 or so years since measurements started. Useful to know in case you ever hear any of that 'the LHC is going to destroy the Earth' nonsense.

(*actual amount of fun may be less than implied.)
 
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