A possible way to inspire people to play in Open

[galahad2069]

Yet, you don't get that in PvP enabled modes in games such as Eve, because there if someone ganks another player in hi-sec, they last about 15 seconds. The only time this was an issue was many years ago, when the use of 'suicide Kestrals' was popular (cheap throwaway ships that could be used to destroy larger ships just in time before system authorities would turn up and blow them up) and that got nerfed soon enough.

Ganking isn't piracy, it's not even really PVP, it's just cheap kicks where one party involuntarily pulls another from whatever they're doing and with very little downside, which is unfortunately a flaw in the game that takes away from it.

Well, you stopped taking this seriously.

Sorry, but wasn't your point that he was supposed to be advocating banning PVP? Where did you read that? Why are you changing the goalposts now?

True, but as I've already pointed out, I've no objection to PVP, only being constantly pestered by kids who have nothing better to do that try to involuntarily pull everyone into their own self-abuse sessions. The problem with PVP in open is it's frankly broken, so holding a broken system to define what PVP should be is a flawed argument. Remember, Open doesn't mean you just go out and shoot anyone you like without consiquences (as I said, try that in Eve in hi-sec and see what happens) - it's just open, social game play that a minority prefer to ruin for the majority because they like stomping on sandcastles.

ED should include piracy (and as I've said gankers are not pirates), and PVP, but not to the level that it obstructs a large proportion of the player base for the benefit of a minority. That's simply broken mechanics.

You are severely overcomplicating it.
Ganking in ED is NOT without consequences, it's just that these consequences are not extremely punishing. But that's pretty much in line with the potential harm done. There is no death in this game, all you can lose is some meaningless credits. Besides, it's extremely difficult to shoot down anyone who has the slightest clue what they are doing, even with a full wing, unless the interdictee, idk, had fallen asleep at the controls before the attack.

 

[CMDR Egmont]

You're so selfless... seriously, do you think anyone believes this self-serving justification?

Want to know a big secret? Even carebears understand that hauling and exploration are tedious and that is why they build ships which can’t survive long enough to escape even the most incompetent ganker.

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

You are severely overcomplicating it.

Nope. Just because you don't want to think something through doesn't make it overly complicated.

Ganking in ED is NOT without consequences, it's just that these consequences are not extremely punishing. But that's pretty much in line with the potential harm done. There is no death in this game, all you can lose is some meaningless credits. Besides, it's extremely difficult to shoot down anyone who has the slightest clue what they are doing, even with a full wing, unless the interdictee, idk, had fallen asleep at the controls before the attack.

I disagree. The balance is out of whack, the consequences are minor, yet, someone can come and gank you and blow you and the meta-alloys you could have carried over 300 ly, and not even because they wanted to steal them. And suffer little downside for this. Of course, we can all stay in solo, but then you're effectively denying the social aspects of the game to a huge percentage of the community.

Even if you evade inderdiction, I've had the same ganker attempt again and again, making a simple trip across a system into a twenty minute grind with some idiot who doesn't want to accept that I don't want to play with him. It's just harassment, time wasting.

 

[CMDR Egmont]

Nope. Just because you don't want to think something through doesn't make it overly complicated.

I disagree. The balance is out of whack, the consequences are minor, yet, someone can come and gank you and blow you and the meta-alloys you could have carried over 300 ly, and not even because they wanted to steal them. And suffer little downside for this. Of course, we can all stay in solo, but then you're effectively denying the social aspects of the game to a huge percentage of the community.

Even if you evade inderdiction, I've had the same ganker attempt again and again, making a simple trip across a system into a twenty minute grind with some idiot who doesn't want to accept that I don't want to play with him. It's just harassment, time wasting.

Jump range is grind. Limited cargo space is grind. Engineering shields and hull is grind. Clearly you’re okay with grind. What you’re not okay with is risk.

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

Jump range is grind. Limited cargo space is grind. Engineering shields and hull is grind. Clearly, you’re okay with grind. What you’re not okay with is risk.

I choose that grind. Stop rationalizing anti-social behaviour.

 

[CMDR Egmont]

I choose that grind. Stop rationalizing anti-social behaviour.

You chose the other kind of grind too by playing a game with people in it. Stop rationalizing incompetence. Cope.

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

You chose the other kind of grind too by playing a game with people in it. Stop rationalizing incompetence. Cope.

That can change.

 

[TNTDany]

Increase credit gain % when in Open. There. Solved.

 

[CMDR Egmont]

Increase credit gain % when in Open. There. Solved.

Imagine that. Incentivizing Open instead of disincentivizing use of the weapons the game supplies.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Closed - as the advice to avoid discussing other participants has been ignored.