A problem that I have with this game is that it's too slow

I think people get a little too precious about the "Sim" thing.

Love racing games, but don't particularly want to be strapped into a seat for two hours on a Sunday afternoon, lose half my body weight in sweat and come out bruised all over. Or horribly killed to death.

Sims are cool for people who like sims. Personally I like a bit of game in my sim without having access to Boeing or NASA type funds - it would be fun then.
Try getting an FJ around Monza using a keyboard in GPL though and it becomes apparent that you don't have the kit or the feedback for the job.
There has to be some game in the sim or it's unplayable, or you are going to be really bad at it.

IMO, natch.
 
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I think people get a little too precious about the "Sim" thing.

Love racing games, but don't particularly want to be strapped into a seat for two hours on a Sunday afternoon, lose half my body weight in sweat and come out bruised all over. Or horribly killed to death.

Sims are cool for people who like sims. Personally I like a bit of game in my sim without having access to Boeing or NASA type funds - it would be fun then.
Try getting an FJ around Monza using a keyboard in GPL though and it becomes apparent that you don't have the kit or the feedback for the job.
There has to be some game in the sim or it's unplayable, or you are going to be really bad at it.

IMO, natch.

As someone who falls firmly in the "sim" crowd, I don't think ANY of us are clamoring for ultra-realism. Like you, I enjoy a little game in my sim and that's why I'm spending so much more time in ED than, say, DCS World. I can't speak for others, but I've been consistent in saying that I believe IN GENERAL that Frontier has struck a good balance. I merely believe that those who want travel to happen faster are the type of player who should probably stay in the Bubble (since that is where everything happens BESIDES exploration) and leave Exploration for those of us who enjoy the feeling of distance, accomplishment, and immersion that the current travel time sinks provide. Maybe shave about 5-7 seconds off the hyperspace loading time and I'll still be OK, but too much less and it won't feel like we're covering any distance.

To your point about GPL with a keyboard, I think one of the reasons I am able to take joy in the sim aspect of ED as much as I do is because I use a lot of peripherals that elevate the simulated experience. GPL with a keyboard was a pathetic non-starter, but GPL with a wheel & pedals was simmer heaven. In other words, the right hardware made all the difference. If I didn't have head tracking and rudder pedals and a throttle and a serious joystick (and now a Rift), I might very well think ED is a boring game because the sim aspect would be greatly compromised. For a game like ED, playing with a controller is only slightly less satisfying to me than playing with only a keyboard+mouse. The people who want more to do aren't getting nearly as much fun as I am out of all the immersion aspects perhaps because they don't have the hardware.

That's not a judgment, I understand not everyone has the budget or wherewithal or space to add a bunch of flight peripherals, it's just a simple appraisal that simulation-minded games are much more enjoyable when you have the appropriate hardware. While ED is still very much a game, there is no other space game with a first-person perspective that comes as close to being a space simulator, so for those of us who want some 1st-person space exploration in our sims AND we have the budget/wherewithal/space to invest in the right hardware, we have no other space game to call our own. Whereas the "this space game is too slow" crowd have PLENTY of other options.
 
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It doesn't. If there are insufficient new revenues from sales of the game, then it won't matter that you once bought the game.
I bought it twice. Once each season.

And if Season 3 features some new exploration mechanics, I'll buy Season 3.

FD needs a steady stream of revenue to support their maintenance and development of the game. If people want to help FD, buy 2 or 3 copies of the game, buy more bobble heads, or just donate money to FD.
Or buy the next Season if they think it's any good.

And you know who's most likely to buy the next season? Players that already own the game.
 
Bang on with this, and with your previous post, I feel the balance is very, very good indeed.. Like yourself (and lots of others) I've found that instead of picking up the game for a few weeks/a couple of months at best, I've been playing it nightly/daily for a couple of hours at least, since Dec 14, and continue to enjoy every aspect of the game I try. Not far off Elite in trading and exploration, and only slightly behind those in combat, I never thought I would get this far, but it's engrossed me. I now find my DCS World, and Rise of Flight take a back seat to ED, and I haven't found my interest waning up to now either..

Lastly, it's nice to see positive posts instead of the usual doom and gloom!:cool:

Thank you Sir. I'm not new to the game but I am new to the forums. Hope to see you around.
 
Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this discussion.
1. I do play FSX so maybe I have the "sim" mentality
2. I work for a living, often including overtime/weekends depending upon the needs of the project I'm working on so any game time is limited.

I only found ED in August last year and I'm hooked. Screwed up horribly more times than I care to mention, written off so many SRV's the insurance companies get the shakes when I log in but I love it.
I'm only now starting to grasp the game properly and my next mini project is to spend a crap load of time in the tutorials and/or solo teaching myself to fly FA off, do I need to - no, do I want to - yes.
What did I get wrong when I started - believing everything I read on these forums so too scared to try open, at 60yo thinking I still had reflexes :), trying too hard to "achieve" things, wanting instant gratification.

What do I now love about the game - if I want to try Pew-Pew and get my ancient handed to me on a plate I can (in a cheap ship), I can take my time and explore, trade, smuggle, engineer, look at how gorgeous the Galaxy is etc. etc.

Is it too slow, no.
Is CR hard to get, no.
Is building reputation/rank etc slow, yup and so it should be - I quit other MMO's when they allowed people to buy lvl 80+ chars as a starter - in raids they are so nnobish it makes noobs look good.

I'm not an advocate of "Git Good" - some of us will never have the ability to be really good - but we can keep trying and achieving things in other ways.

If you can invest time and effort this game will reward you over and over, if not then find another game to play.

Grumpy Old Git rant over, fly safe Commanders :)
 
Thank you Sir. I'm not new to the game but I am new to the forums. Hope to see you around.

Welcome Sir!
Can't fault your reply, you are indeed bang on. Back when I was playing GPL, I guess the rig I'm typing this on would have cost NASA type bread.
And having experienced the thrills of "Virtuality", the Rift would have made my head explode.
The toys help no end, you're right. I finally "git a bit gud" at GPL on the wheel I could afford at the time which was, to be fair, dreadful.
When I tried some random friend of a friend's force feedback setup and felt the wheel go light over a crest - oh my life.

Glad you seem to be enjoying as much as I am, we really shouldn't forget how fortunate we are to be able to afford all the bells and whistles and the ability to moan about it online! :)
 
Welcome Sir!
Can't fault your reply, you are indeed bang on. Back when I was playing GPL, I guess the rig I'm typing this on would have cost NASA type bread.
And having experienced the thrills of "Virtuality", the Rift would have made my head explode.
The toys help no end, you're right. I finally "git a bit gud" at GPL on the wheel I could afford at the time which was, to be fair, dreadful.
When I tried some random friend of a friend's force feedback setup and felt the wheel go light over a crest - oh my life.

Glad you seem to be enjoying as much as I am, we really shouldn't forget how fortunate we are to be able to afford all the bells and whistles and the ability to moan about it online! :)

This is actually one of the best undercurrents of all our scarpering in this forum, as we pretend to be space pilots in the future on our dedicated gaming machines over the internet in our spare time. We are all inherently silly just by virtue of being here.


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Or that everybody's on the staaage and it seems like you're the only
Person sitting in the audieennnnce
 
I put in a few hours a week for the first bewildering month of Elite dangerous and I seem to remember tweaking my control setup for a week before getting any serious combat in.

By the end of the first fortnight I was ALD-aligned and bounty hunting in Ugrivirii HIRES sites for 2.2x normal rewards, saving the 20M you needed for a Fehu slave-running T7 because I had my sights on an FdL or a Python.

I'd love to put all my credits in a trust and start again, just to see how the game has changed for beginners now; I just don't fancy buying the game twice or deleting my CMDR.
 
In Elite, you aren't the Hero. The fate of the galaxy doesn't alter based on your actions. Heck, your actions aren't even a footnote in the recorded history of Elite.

You're a regular Joe. A very small cog in a galactically big (dark) wheel. Travelling between star systems trying to earn a few credits to better your ship, or buy a bigger, faster, whatever, one.

If you need to be the Hero. If you need your actions to make a significant difference to the game world or you need to "win"... perhaps Elite isn't the game for you.

Elite is a marathon, not a sprint. A journey, not a destination.

" Governments fall, battles are lost and won, and humanity's frontier is reshaped, all by the actions of you and your fellow players." - Elitedangerous.com

Maybe we're just a 'tiny' bit of a hero. :)
 
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