General / Off-Topic A question about evolution.

[We Are Groot]

One thing is they didn't discover fire and learn how to control it. Large brains require a lot of energy and my understanding is that fire is one of the things that made acquiring such energy easier. Communication would be another key factor. Imagine living in trees and then the climate changes forcing you to adapt to moving across and living in fields. You might have been a hard target in your natural terrain but if you are forced out of those surroudings those that learn to communicate and work in groups will have an easier time surviving in their new habitat. If you do that and survive long enough you can pass those traits and knowledge on.

There is also a lot of luck and time involved.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

There is 'correction' and then there is bullying and abuse. Sometime the line between is very hard to define.

At the same time: I don't believe in ADHD, because it is amazing how someone that is assertive and firm, with theses individuals, don't have any real issues.

I must admit I used to think ADHD was just poor parenting. I was wrong.
I found this out when I went to work for the health service in challenging behaviour.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

There is also the fact that I hate kids in general.

I mean I genuinely despise them.

Course, my sister's only getting older. Married next month she is. Frankly I see myself becoming an uncle within two years. Probably less.

I don't look forward to visits from Lil' Jimmy at all.

It's bad enough that my mum's partner's daughter is now actually pregnant. Few months time and I suspect we'll have frequent visits that include a screaming brat.

I prefer my dog. Fudge is cuddly.

EDIT: To delete this post in its entirety would be cowardly, and I'm not going to do that.

But I will tell you why I feel like this. My experience with individuals of sub-adult age, throughout my entire life, has been atrocious. Even today as I walk down to the shop I get sly remarks from schoolkids mocking me for my gait.

I often read the line "kids are cruel", and frankly, I agree with it heavily.

Am I sorry for what I said? Well to be honest, no, I'm not. My childhood was trash and that was largely because of the treatment I was given by my fellow children. My adult life is not much better.

It's twisted my views and now I just paint people with the same wide brush. Is this wrong? Chances are, yes it is.

But I don't know how else to think. My problem is that I'm fuelled by hate. A lot of it. It's very difficult to let go of. This crap started when I was four years old, and basically never stopped since. That's over two decades ago.

So yeah. I'm selfish, I get angry with a lot of people because they slightly resemble some of my past demons, and in general, I'm just not a very nice guy. But frankly, I can't apologise for what I've become. All people had to do, to prevent me from becoming what I am now, was to leave me the heck alone. I was quite happy to have no friends, if it meant I didn't get bullied either. Self-preservation and all that.

I can empathise somewhat: the 'pinnacle' of my school days was having some brain dead moron stamp on my head until I lost consciousness while the rest of the school gathered around and watched. People can be awful.
One of the greatest joys of my life are my nephews and neices. 12 nephews and nieces and 5 great nephews and neices.
Having an input into their lives has allowed me to have a measure of influence in how they turned out and I am more proud of that than anything.
Being an Uncle is an awesome experience.

 

[Morbad]

I must admit I used to think ADHD was just poor parenting. I was wrong.
I found this out when I went to work for the health service in challenging behaviour.

People tend to be dismissive of things out of their realm of experience, but just because something is frequently over/under/misdiagnosed doesn't mean it can't actually be a thing.

One thing is they didn't discover fire and learn how to control it. Large brains require a lot of energy and my understanding is that fire is one of the things that made acquiring such energy easier. Communication would be another key factor. Imagine living in trees and then the climate changes forcing you to adapt to moving across and living in fields. You might have been a hard target in your natural terrain but if you are forced out of those surroudings those that learn to communicate and work in groups will have an easier time surviving in their new habitat. If you do that and survive long enough you can pass those traits and knowledge on.

There is also a lot of luck and time involved.

There are still a few isolated human societies out there that lack the ability to make fire, or haven't made the connection between sexual intercourse and reproduction yet, which proves that innate cognition isn't a substitute for communication or raw numbers.

 

[Patrick_68000]

When I look at our poor planet, I sometimes wonder if the evolution is not synonymous with regression.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

There are still a few isolated human societies out there that lack the ability to make fire, or haven't made the connection between sexual intercourse and reproduction yet, which proves that innate cognition isn't a substitute for communication or raw numbers.

Where exactly? I'm aware there still are tribes but I'd be surprised to read that they don't know how to make fire or that sex causes women to become pregnant.

 

[Arry]

Where exactly? I'm aware there still are tribes but I'd be surprised to read that they don't know how to make fire or that sex causes women to become pregnant.

Most of the larger cities in the UK, have areas where the local population, would not have a clue about both subjects.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Most of the larger cities in the UK, have areas where the local population, would not have a clue about both subjects.

For real?

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

For real?

Well I don't know about anywhere else but I know there are two large famous buildings in London full of useless ers who would struggle with the concept of lighting a match never mind rubbing sticks together to make fire!

 

[Burke]

Im sad cause i want to play this game again but im not going near the FSS. Exploration has evolved into something i cannot tolerate.

 

[Arry]

Im sad cause i want to play this game again but im not going near the FSS. Exploration has evolved into something i cannot tolerate.

That kind of immense change, can be hard to accept. I have had two goes at just setting it up and not done too well.

At the same time, for the explorers; who are a major aspect of the game, it is a nice development and much needed. I understand.

The option, would be nice.

Edit:- How is about the evolution of reptiles? Game evolution, maybe?

 

[Burke]

There is a game that i cant remember the name of that promised to simulate the entire evolution of a planet from single cell onwards. I had a very early beta but i dunno where it went.

Edit: ECO looks interesting but its not that.

 

[We Are Groot]

There are still a few isolated human societies out there that lack the ability to make fire, or haven't made the connection between sexual intercourse and reproduction yet, which proves that innate cognition isn't a substitute for communication or raw numbers.

Yes it is interesting how there are still stone age tribes and there could be for quite some time. Cognition and communication kinda go hand in hand. As a species you only need one individual in your group that is just a little more clever than everyone else to greatly advance things. As long as you have communication and are able to pass on knowledge. Traits can be passed on genetically as well and you can end up with a small group branching off from the rest of their species. As long as that individual can pass on their knowledge or genes.

The Sentinelese are a stone age tribe and it is a little odd how they have remained cut off from the rest of the world until you see where they are located. Well as far as I remember they are quite isolated.

 

[Burke]

The Sentinelese are a stone age tribe and it is a little odd how they have remained cut off from the rest of the world until you see where they are located. Well as far as I remember they are quite isolated.

Those are the ones who shoot arrows at helecopters and chop your head off if you go near them? Not that odd then

 

[Arry]

Yes it is interesting how there are still stone age tribes and there could be for quite some time. Cognition and communication kinda go hand in hand. As a species you only need one individual in your group that is just a little more clever than everyone else to greatly advance things. As long as you have communication and are able to pass on knowledge. Traits can be passed on genetically as well and you can end up with a small group branching off from the rest of their species. As long as that individual can pass on their knowledge or genes.

The Sentinelese are a stone age tribe and it is a little odd how they have remained cut off from the rest of the world until you see where they are located. Well as far as I remember they are quite isolated.

For this location, an isolated island, off of an isolated set of islands: Can we be sure that they have evolved and not regressed, over a number of generations. From maybe a ship wreak?

 

[Iskariot]

When I look at our poor planet, I sometimes wonder if the evolution is not synonymous with regression.

There is no regression or progression in evolution. Only change.

 

[Marak]

There is no regression or progression in evolution. Only change.

That's where "Survival of the fittest" comes in.

 

[Arry]

Yes it is interesting how there are still stone age tribes and there could be for quite some time. Cognition and communication kinda go hand in hand. As a species you only need one individual in your group that is just a little more clever than everyone else to greatly advance things. As long as you have communication and are able to pass on knowledge. Traits can be passed on genetically as well and you can end up with a small group branching off from the rest of their species. As long as that individual can pass on their knowledge or genes.

The Sentinelese are a stone age tribe and it is a little odd how they have remained cut off from the rest of the world until you see where they are located. Well as far as I remember they are quite isolated.

Another thing. When discovered by the Europeans, most of the north American tribes, did not have the wheel. They understood, that there was 'magic' in circles, but had not made the complete link.

As to that one individual: You also have to think about someone who has to fight 'tradition'. Be it a new way of collecting fish. Which now has offerings and routines and rituals. Where as making a big net, is breaking all of that 'tradition'. Most of the great European scientists; had to question tradition and many were held to account, for attempting to do so.

Genes? I think education, the sharing of knowledge, is more important. Not to many great minds, have produced greater offspring. But the averaged secondary school kid, understands what E=M C squared means.

 

[Burke]

When discovered by the Europeans, most of the north American tribes, did not have the wheel.

This is surprising to say the least. I bet the incas and aztecs at least understood rollers as in logs cause they shifted large quantitys of stone about. But its a surpise that the northern tribes didnt.

 

[Ripskar]

Where exactly? I'm aware there still are tribes but I'd be surprised to read that they don't know how to make fire or that sex causes women to become pregnant.

Quite a few of the Polynesian tribes hadn't made the connection regarding sex, I think Tahiti was the most famous (infamous?) example. (It became rather a popular destination for sailors...)
A lot of tribes have forgotten how to make fire as their younger members adopt a 'civilised' lifestyle.