A request for FDev; please provide an update regarding Logging/Combat Logging

[Hairy Polo]

I play a pirate/smuggler in the galaxy of ED. Logging/Combat Logging has always been an issue. However, I've noticed recently that nearly everyone (stand fast 95% of the small but very vocal PvP community) is using the exploit more than ever. Casting my mind back, Sandy stated a 'karma' system was going to be implemented (I'm not talking about the new C&P system - that's different) about a year or so ago. I've not heard a thing on this subject for many, many months. I know there is a reporting system for Loggers/Combat Loggers, but I'm not interested in that due to other Cmdrs using it and the lack of confidence surrounding the function. The lack of confidence in the community regarding FDev 'prosecuting' Loggers/Combat Loggers is so great, the community needs an update regarding the Karma system - just to install just a little confidence that the developers are working towards a solution. Is it still going to be implemented? Has it died a death? Is there something else be worked on to deal with this cheating? Or has FDev just stopped dealing with this exploit as its too difficult to deal with (be transparent as you can if you're going to reply).

If a member of FDev does reply to this message, please do not provide the usual responses: "FDev take Combat Logging seriously" "report all Combat Logging" "we do not discuss cases of Combat Logging" etc, etc, etc. The community do not want to hear these same responses for the many other threads on Combat Logging.

I just want to know what the current situation is and not the usual (corporate) FDev response on the issue.

Logging and Combat Logging is the longest running, most damaging exploit in the whole game. How are FDev dealing with it? The current 'methods' are not working.

o7

 

[Th3NinjaTeddy]

Logging has driven me off the game because people refuse to adhere to the system of paying for your ship to be bought back, people refuse to try and escape conflict by high waking against a larger ship or using a fast boot sequence FSD modifier to neutralise the FSD reboot missiles, hell, recently when I came on the game for a small period I saw someone log against NPCs, yet soon as ant money or rank exploits get discovered FD patch it out very quickly ehichcis good, in the grand scheme of things if you think of it, logging is a form of money exploit as they are exploit their way out of paying a rebuy.

Seems there has been no movement to stop thid cheating behaviour.

 

[Hairy Polo]

Logging has driven me off the game because people refuse to adhere to the system of paying for your ship to be bought back, people refuse to try and escape conflict by high waking against a larger ship or using a fast boot sequence FSD modifier to neutralise the FSD reboot missiles, hell, recently when I came on the game for a small period I saw someone log against NPCs, yet soon as ant money or rank exploits get discovered FD patch it out very quickly ehichcis good, in the grand scheme of things if you think of it, logging is a form of money exploit as they are exploit their way out of paying a rebuy.

Seems there has been no movement to stop thid cheating behaviour.

I hear you. We just need some confidence building from FDev regarding the issue.

 

[verminstar]

Well personally I have never clogged, but then again I have spent the last 2 years of the 3 years Ive played in solo avoiding the situation entirely.

That being said, I wont judge those who do clog...theres a reason I spent 2 years in solo after being griefed hard multiple times just fer lulz. That moronic and toxic gameplay have consequences, bit like karma really, is where this all started and why fixing it isnt really what ye might call a priority.

In my own experience, Ive seen more so called pvprs clogging than any other type of player...they interdict ye, then ye turn on them and take two of their sheild rings before they even deploy hardpoints and the next, they clog. Thats happened to me more than once and Im not a pvpr at all, but Im also not an easy target and I wont just lie down and take it.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest if they fix it or not...personally I wanna see more moves made to curb the more toxic pvp elements in the game as I firmly and strongly believe they do more damage than any exploit. Fix that first before trying to force players into being other players content...otherwise yer peeing into the wind cos nobody will take it seriously. The current vibe of ¨meh¨ that ye yerself mentioned should have told ye that already ^

 

[Hairy Polo]

Well personally I have never clogged, but then again I have spent the last 2 years of the 3 years Ive played in solo avoiding the situation entirely.

That being said, I wont judge those who do clog...theres a reason I spent 2 years in solo after being griefed hard multiple times just fer lulz. That moronic and toxic gameplay have consequences, bit like karma really, is where this all started and why fixing it isnt really what ye might call a priority.

In my own experience, Ive seen more so called pvprs clogging than any other type of player...they interdict ye, then ye turn on them and take two of their sheild rings before they even deploy hardpoints and the next, they clog. Thats happened to me more than once and Im not a pvpr at all, but Im also not an easy target and I wont just lie down and take it.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest if they fix it or not...personally I wanna see more moves made to curb the more toxic pvp elements in the game as I firmly and strongly believe they do more damage than any exploit. Fix that first before trying to force players into being other players content...otherwise yer peeing into the wind cos nobody will take it seriously. The current vibe of ¨meh¨ that ye yerself mentioned should have told ye that already ^

I understand your view and you had a hard time to start with, with other players and that was the reason you play mainly in Solo. Hopefully, one day you'll move into PvP mode. However, fundamentally, in your comments above, you're saying you don't have a problem with players cheating in ED.

 

[verminstar]

I understand your view and you had a hard time to start with, with other players and that was the reason you play mainly in Solo. Hopefully, one day you'll move into PvP mode. However, fundamentally, in your comments above, you're saying you don't have a problem with players cheating in ED.

I said I wouldnt judge others who do it which isnt the same thing as saying I dont mind players cheating. So please stop trying to put words into my mouth as thats certainly not what I said...thats merely yer interpretation of it.

Its the same as saying I didnt judge the pvprs when the videos appeared on youtube showing how to get god rolls using lower grade mats which was clearly cheating and exploiting. They do it because they are min/max players and thats what min/max players do...many claimed they didnt know they were cheating...considering the mechanics of how it worked, I find that extremely dubious or they were the dumbest smart people on the planet.

But I aint judging them either..they cheated, they got caught, they got very light punishment and the game survived intact.

Glogging on the other hand...how do ye prove it was intentional task killing as opposed to bad connection? And thats just one possible explanation which includes the cases where players crash when in proximity to other players or with certain actions. So to label someene as a cheat, ye really need to be able to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt...and even frontier cant do that so whats yer secret? How did you manage to prove what nobody else is able to prove?

Otherwise all yer doing is calling names and throwing muck around in all directions hoping something sticks...ye want something fixed, then yer going the wrong way about it ^

 

[jonluv]

Who cares? It’s a flaming game!

 

[K3RM1T]

Well personally I have never clogged, but then again I have spent the last 2 years of the 3 years Ive played in solo avoiding the situation entirely.

That being said, I wont judge those who do clog...theres a reason I spent 2 years in solo after being griefed hard multiple times just fer lulz. That moronic and toxic gameplay have consequences, bit like karma really, is where this all started and why fixing it isnt really what ye might call a priority.

In my own experience, Ive seen more so called pvprs clogging than any other type of player...they interdict ye, then ye turn on them and take two of their sheild rings before they even deploy hardpoints and the next, they clog. Thats happened to me more than once and Im not a pvpr at all, but Im also not an easy target and I wont just lie down and take it.

Doesnt bother me in the slightest if they fix it or not...personally I wanna see more moves made to curb the more toxic pvp elements in the game as I firmly and strongly believe they do more damage than any exploit. Fix that first before trying to force players into being other players content...otherwise yer peeing into the wind cos nobody will take it seriously. The current vibe of ¨meh¨ that ye yerself mentioned should have told ye that already ^

Ok let's not have this spiral into a solo/pg Vs open thread and try to keep it on topic, which is a huge amount of players are now cheating and using an exploit that Fdev have continued to recognise and have yet not actioned. The "toxicity" you mention regarding open and player killing has been addressed with the C&P changes.

Combat logging is easy to spot and the majority of people who do it will openly admit to it in comms messages as they have no fear of punishment.

 

[Thepirateorc]

Logging has driven me off the game because people refuse to adhere to the system of paying for your ship to be bought back, people refuse to try and escape conflict by high waking against a larger ship or using a fast boot sequence FSD modifier to neutralise the FSD reboot missiles, hell, recently when I came on the game for a small period I saw someone log against NPCs, yet soon as ant money or rank exploits get discovered FD patch it out very quickly ehichcis good, in the grand scheme of things if you think of it, logging is a form of money exploit as they are exploit their way out of paying a rebuy.

Seems there has been no movement to stop thid cheating behaviour.

well said

 

[Thepirateorc]

Who cares? It’s a flaming game!

if its a flaming game then why would people need to combat log. I do piracy and its quite annoying however now I execute the loggers if I can for logging on me as I'm only after cargo and although you might say they don't want to be bothered with then its they're duty to stay out of a player vs player mode where people attack and kill you for many reasons. sandro said in a recent livestream that there is a plan to deal with loggers yet there is no news on that and as ninja teddy said if theres a money exploit it is quickly patched yet the logging issue isn't dealt with.

 

[Thepirateorc]

I said I wouldnt judge others who do it which isnt the same thing as saying I dont mind players cheating. So please stop trying to put words into my mouth as thats certainly not what I said...thats merely yer interpretation of it.

Its the same as saying I didnt judge the pvprs when the videos appeared on youtube showing how to get god rolls using lower grade mats which was clearly cheating and exploiting. They do it because they are min/max players and thats what min/max players do...many claimed they didnt know they were cheating...considering the mechanics of how it worked, I find that extremely dubious or they were the dumbest smart people on the planet.

But I aint judging them either..they cheated, they got caught, they got very light punishment and the game survived intact.

Glogging on the other hand...how do ye prove it was intentional task killing as opposed to bad connection? And thats just one possible explanation which includes the cases where players crash when in proximity to other players or with certain actions. So to label someene as a cheat, ye really need to be able to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt...and even frontier cant do that so whats yer secret? How did you manage to prove what nobody else is able to prove?

Otherwise all yer doing is calling names and throwing muck around in all directions hoping something sticks...ye want something fixed, then yer going the wrong way about it ^

well if you get the person admitting to log with a video then I say that rules out a bad connection lol

 

[verminstar]

well if you get the person admitting to log with a video then I say that rules out a bad connection lol

Thats assuming they thicker than two short planks...which actually is highly possible knowing this audience.

Id love to see a solution too, its not like Im saying I agree or approve, Im not...but I play the game with a ¨live and let live¨ attitude. I wouldnt use this exploit but then thats my choice not to...I would have no issues whatsoever in doing a cash farm exploit or even merely board flipping...those are exploits too and I wouldnt just do them, Im actually waiting fer one to appear right now and have stopped playing until one appears cos Im fed up grinding.

I honestly couldnt care less if anyone was to judge me or not because of what I do or how I play...doesnt bother me in the slightest so why would I then be a hypocrite and judge others on their choices? Their choice, if they get caught out then they big enough and ugly enough to understand there are consequences.

If theres no consequnces to clogging, then yer beef is with frontier and its to them yer questions should be directed ^

 

[jonluv]

if its a flaming game then why would people need to combat log. I do piracy and its quite annoying however now I execute the loggers if I can for logging on me as I'm only after cargo and although you might say they don't want to be bothered with then its they're duty to stay out of a player vs player mode where people attack and kill you for many reasons. sandro said in a recent livestream that there is a plan to deal with loggers yet there is no news on that and as ninja teddy said if theres a money exploit it is quickly patched yet the logging issue isn't dealt with.

They combat log because they can —- just as you pirate because you can—- if FD wanted to ban it they could but would be sued to kingdom come for damaging someone’s game— the logic is silly but factual—- learn to live with it

 

[Deleted member 110222]

They combat log because they can —- just as you pirate because you can—- if FD wanted to ban it they could but would be sued to kingdom come for damaging someone’s game— the logic is silly but factual—- learn to live with it

"Someone's game."

Except the only party that owns the game is FD.

Us customers, thanks to the EULA, would have no grounds to sue.

Why do you think nobody has ever sued Microsoft for getting banned until the year 9999?

 

[JJ obiwan]

Who cares? It’s a flaming game!

theres always this one guy on the forums xD

 

[Thepirateorc]

They combat log because they can —- just as you pirate because you can—- if FD wanted to ban it they could but would be sued to kingdom come for damaging someone’s game— the logic is silly but factual—- learn to live with it

I do live with it, I kill them however something has to be done though

 

[verminstar]

I do live with it, I kill them however something has to be done though

Why? The pvp community is only a small sub community at best...so why should everyone else who clearly has no interest in pvp bend over backwards to accomodate a small sub community?

Its a problem fer pvp players certainly...but how is it a problem fer everyone ewlse when pvprs cant even control their own toxic players? Game allows players to continue being toxic and hateful...so long as that continues, it remains a non issue fer the vast majority of players.

Heres an idea...offer an alternative that keeps everyone happy, not simply the minority group. No compromise, no chance...what do pvp players give in return if they get what they want? Just demanding a fix comes across as just another demand which is easy to ignore...why is this an issue fer non pvp players?

Answer that question and ye just solved the problem and then we can add our voices to the demands...ignore the root causes of the problem and ye solve nothing and achieve even less ^

 

[Dark Polo 65]

So... Clogging is even a problem in Solo/Private group... How easy it is to affect the BGS if you can't die...
When it comes to PvP it's just boring to see how these lazy pilots choose to close the game instead of just low/high waking their way out of troubles...
Please FD do something...

 

[K3RM1T]

How easy it is to affect the BGS if you can't die...

Had this exact issue during a bgs war we had with another faction. Found opposition player in a cz, engaged the player with my wing, player was happy to fight back, nearly killing me, until they realised they were going to loose then... Poof... Clog.

Directly affecting BGS.

 

[GODofDUTY83]

I blame the players.