A second commander

ALTS are unnecessary in the game due to the fact that unlike other games; a char can do anything and everything with no limitation. Alts appealed in say WOW because you had to pick a class.

What I fancy doing today is working on my Imperial rank. Unfortunately I'm about 25,000 LY away from the nearest Imperial station. Exploration is very unforgiving in that regard.
 
He said the same thing.



Calm down and put your logical fallacy links away.

I don't want to have the 'advantage' of playing as two commanders simultaneously. I have no interest in doing it at all, so teaming up with another player as an alternative is irrelevant. This has nothing at all to do with being able to do things more efficiently, get extra pips, extra weapons strength or anything else at all to do with boosting the strength of my Commander. You have completely misunderstood what I and others are talking about here.

I have ONE account. I only want ONE account, but with two 'save slots' so that I can have two separate commanders.

They would both be on ONE PLAYER ACCOUNT.

I can only log into my ONE player account ONCE, before choosing which of my two commanders to play in that session.

Therefore with two slots on my one account, it would NOT BE POSSIBLE to emulate two separate players. No extra pips, nothing.

There is already a way to emulate two players by buying two accounts so, this thing you're worried about is already here and has been since day one anyway.

The thing that I and other players want would not provide any of that functionality at all. It is therefore in line with what we both want. You don't want me to be able to pretend to be two players. Neither do I because I don't give a crap about doing it to begin with. I just want to be able to decide whether to play as Commander A or Commander B today and multiple slots would allow that without me ever being able to be both Commander A and Commander B at the same time.

So in summary, two slots on a single account would prevent me from doing what you are worried about, and yet still provide me with the functionality that I want.

Is that clear enough?

Well if you'd said all of that in the beginning, so why not just buy two accounts? All you're asking for is a reskinned launcher.

What I fancy doing today is working on my Imperial rank. Unfortunately I'm about 25,000 LY away from the nearest Imperial station. Exploration is very unforgiving in that regard.

You're the one that choose to go exploring... Consequences and all of that....

:)
 
Well if you'd said all of that in the beginning, so why not just buy two accounts? All you're asking for is a reskinned launcher.

That is what I said. You can actually read the posts, they're still there.

As for 'why not just buy two accounts' I actually answered that too, in my first post in the thread. The short version though is that this is 2017 and having multiple save slots for separate characters as part of the 'normal' player account is actually pretty common. I think that if there's a charge for it at all it should be a nominal one only, also that it should be a one-off fee and that as cosmetic items are purchased per account, they should be available to both commanders on the single account.

The absurd hoops a player has to jump through to manage two separate accounts make it abundantly clear that the architecture was never designed with it in mind to begin with and honestly, the closest FDev come to ripping people off in my opinion is expecting players to buy not only a full second copy of the game but also a second copy of any expansions if they want to play with a second commander.

(Additionally, regardless of the fact I think it's wrong of them to do it this way in principle I simply can't afford to buy a second account and second copies of future add-ons, or more accurately can't justify the level of expenditure. My take-home pay has gone down by around 14% in real terms since 2010, believe me there is nothing more to trim from my already meagre leisure budget.)

I don't have any issue at all with the price of cosmetic items in the game and didn't even before they dropped the prices recently but in particular because the game was originally intended to provide multiple commander slots, I think they should provide it.

Finally, in case you missed it XBox players already have the ability to create a second commander without buying a second copy of the game due to the way that the console manages accounts. So it's just the PC players that are being asked to put their hand in their pocket for it and that is just flat-out wrong.
 
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Well if you'd said all of that in the beginning, so why not just buy two accounts? All you're asking for is a reskinned launcher.



You're the one that choose to go exploring... Consequences and all of that....

:)

Point 1: That's literally the opposite of what he's asking for. Buying two accounts, by the way, *does* allow all the activity you're objecting to, such as logging into both of them at the same time. If anything, multiple CMDR slots per account should be implemented immediately, while the purchase and ownership of more than one *account* (what we have now) should be BANNED and PUNISHED as an exploit.

Point 2: The player base HATES any gameplay which adds more consequence to the game. There is constant demand for instant travel, instant ranking, free rebuys, minimal consequences for crime, mission failure, etc. Part of the reason for this is because players are only allowed one CMDR per purchase of the game, which means that everything has to be accessible everywhere all the time lest people progress too far down one "path" (piracy, federation ranking, etc), and be cut off from other possibilities. The FOMO effect has been holding the game hostage since launch. Wouldn't it be great if the game had *more* consequence to it, *more* weight behind the decisions you make, *more* depth to different careers? Allowing a 2nd 3rd, etc CMDR slot would facilitate developing the game further in this direction. I personally would love to use a 2nd slot for an Iron Man Mode if Frontier ever adds it (which they won't, because with only one CMDR slot no one would use it).
 
Btw - I just tried to launch two different copies of the launcher at the same time, and the second launcher just refuses to start: "only one launcher can be active at a time". Each one separately yes, but not both.
I renamed one launcher, installed to another folder than original. can launch both games at once :)
 
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The absurd hoops a player has to jump through to manage two separate accounts ...........

Finally, in case you missed it XBox players already have the ability to create a second commander without buying a second copy of the game due to the way that the console manages accounts. So it's just the PC players that are being asked to put their hand in their pocket for it and that is just flat-out wrong.

1. I have 3 accounts, no hoops, 3 seperate launchers - no worries.

2. The XBone issue is annoying. I assume that they really do have multiple commanders for the one purchase price? How does F D square with that? I suppose that's Micro$oft for you - F D having to accept their conditions.
 
I've got new account on Steam sale for when I finally get VR set soon.

But it would be really nice to have second CMDR available on every account just because of all ship kits, weapon colorings and such.

Another possibility could be Iron man mode only for second CMDR slot, so save would be automatically cleared with every death. HC mode for HC players.
 
I have two logins, it wasn't difficult and I don't see how it clutters the galaxy.

I bought it on sale so it was more than 5% off. You can easily have one direct from FDev and one from steam on the same PC with the same account. And if you don't want to use Steam you can have as many as you like from FDev as long as you create a different Windows user for each Elite Account.
I have 4 accounts, with each launcher installed in a diferent locations (one is a Steam version), which is very easy to do. I do not need different Windows users to have them, just a different email address for each account.
I do different things in the extra accounts, but I do use my main account to help out my other accounts - like when I needed 25 Modular Terminals to unlock Marco Qwent, because my main account had access to many more missions that were rewared with Modular Terminals. :D
 
FDev have made a couple of vague comments to the effect that it might get looked at at some indeterminate point in the future but to be honest I don't expect them to do anything about it as long as people are willing to throw money at them for it. It just sucks somewhat for those of us who can't justify the expense and expected that it would in fact be included with the base game puchase.

Having said that, it can probably be added to the long, long list of things which are common in MMOs other than Elite in 2017 but which this game, which is essentially a single player game with some MMO-lite features bolted on, doesn't seem to think it needs.

The problem with that mentality is that it rakes in the individually larger take while ignoring the individually smaller but much more numerically significant body of people that are willing to pay "a tenner for a one-off purchase" but unwilling, or unable, to pay for a second copy of the game.
 
The problem with that mentality is that it rakes in the individually larger take while ignoring the individually smaller but much more numerically significant body of people that are willing to pay "a tenner for a one-off purchase" but unwilling, or unable, to pay for a second copy of the game.

Exactly right.
 
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