About Obsidian Ant latest video. (warning, wall-o-text)

Unknown Zombie

Unknown Zombie
Lot of romanticizing game mechanics going on here.

Tell you what, OP, you can take your carrier out to the edge of the bubble and tell people they can sell their LTDs to you, and then you can run your carrier into debt while while no one visits and everyone continues to mine in Borann selling their LTD to the carrier there that is buying for 1 credit higher than all the other carriers there.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Honestly, it's at least a year since I've watched one of OA's video's.

It's not that there's anything wrong with them.
It's just that there's nothing really going on in ED that I'm interested in hearing anybody else's opinions about.

Sorry Ant'. 😕
 

photomankc

photomankc
Remus said:
Why would player B feel any incentive to go to Boram where there is already competition, when he can go outside of the bubble, tell everyone that there is LTD there to be mined, and sell its service at a good price?
Plenty of space out there. Eventually Boram will dry out.
Player C can do the same, offer freighter services to a good spot outside the bubble, and propose its refuel, repair, refill services to.

Plenty of opportunities.
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Because that's where players ARE. Being somewhere out there is not useful.
 

Hamakua

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Winterwalker said:
I don't know what a race to the bottom of prices means ...
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You have and FC and I have an FC.
I move my to Borann to get in on that hot sweaty miner maintenance action. I set my Tariffs to 10% and my buy orders to 10% below peak market sales.
You land at my carrier and see my settings.
You park your carrier in the same system but lower your Tariffs to 9% and your your buy orders to 9%.
OA lands at both of ours and sees our settings, He parks his in the same system and lowers everything to 8%.
I notice I'm not getting any player traffic and my buy orders have been stagnant for a couple of days. I land at you and AO's carriers, see your settings. So I set all of mine to 7%.

Rinse, repeat - until everyone sets things to the lowest setting and no one makes money.

Or, a player who has 50Bn in credits and likes to rain on parades jumps their FC to any "hot" system, be it a CG or new mining area - and they purposely set everything to the lowest profit setting because that's not how they make their money - but likes the idea of crashing the market.

All of the above will happen unless there is something as yet unrevealed.
 

Remus

Remus
Unknown Zombie said:
Tell you what, OP, you can take your carrier out to the edge of the bubble and tell people they can sell their LTDs to you, and then you can run your carrier into debt while while no one visits and everyone continues to mine in Borann selling their LTD to the carrier there that is buying for 1 credit higher than all the other carriers there.
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OR, I could be smart about it, find a nice LTD pristine spot, advertise it, propose my carrier for freight services, and once there, propose for refuel, repair, limpet mats, return transport.

At a price of course.
 

Remus

Remus
photomankc said:
Because that's where players ARE. Being somewhere out there is not useful.
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They are there, beacause they dont know better. Find a new pristine LTD ring, advertice it, propose to transport them there at a price. Chances are that a few commanders will take the offer.
 

Red Rocket

Red Rocket
Obsidian Ant said:
  • Player A parks their carrier in Borann and sets a buy price for 800k for LTD - with the intent to sell the purchased LTD at a higher price in another system.
  • Player B sees this happening, and parks their carrier next door to Player A and purchases LTD for 900k still able to make a profit (but much smaller.)
  • Player C sees this happening, and parks their carrier next door to Player A and B and purchases LTD for 1 million. They may or may not make a profit.

This is a race to the bottom. There's no way this won't happen.
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Question:
Why would I sell my LTD when I can make 4 jumps and sell my hard earned LTD's for 1.17 mill/ton.

I do agree with OA on price wars
What would happen to the BGS ?
I remember Gas Wars going for 17 cents/gal, those were to good old days
 

Nasc

N
Nothing like speculation of finer points to feed theory crafting to feed ideas which may or may not be true.
But most importantly, making a video about all these things makes it all valid.
Don't forget to subscribe and hit that bell.
 

Zornbringer

Zornbringer
Remus said:
SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!!!!!!!!!!! Supply for a service that is in high demand! Simple as that.
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i think you don't understand the point. there's obviously multiple carriers offering the same services/commodities. those will battle to the bottom.
 

Remus

Remus
Red Rocket said:
Question:
Why would I sell my LTD when I can make 4 jumps and sell my hard earned LTD's for 1.17 mill/ton.

I do agree with OA on price wars
What would happen to the BGS ?
I remember Gas Wars going for 17 cents/gal, those were to good old days
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I personally wouldn't ask you to sell me your LTD's, you would be a fool to sell them to me for cheap when you can sell it for lots of money in the bubble. I'll conform myself with proposing transport and refill services, and maybe protection.

With my services, intead of making 4 jumps, you only make one! Aint that great?
 

photomankc

photomankc
Remus said:
They are there, beacause they dont know better. Find a new pristine LTD ring, advertice it, propose to transport them there at a price. Chances are that a few commanders will take the offer.
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They are there because it's a tripple hotspot and that's the only place laser mining 512T of LTD makes a lick of sense to try. Let us know when you find another tripple. Because cr/hr is what they want and they aren't going to come to your pristine ring.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Obsidian Ant said:
  • Player A parks their carrier in Borann and sets a buy price for 800k for LTD - with the intent to sell the purchased LTD at a higher price in another system
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Hamakua said:
You have and FC and I have an FC.
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Good explanations, thanks. Cheers for several. o7

I don't think it's necessarily a game breaker though. Prices tending to reduce is not game breaking because then FC's can haul for profit at galactic average but even though you're planning on undercutting me, and would otherwise have traffic, I have a Killer Krait that won't interdict Commanders I have a word with in the hotspot on their way to you, as long as they agree to trade with my megaship ... ?
 

Remus

Remus
photomankc said:
They are there because it's a tripple hotspot and that's the only place laser mining 512T of LTD makes a lick of sense to try. Let us know when you find another tripple. Because cr/hr is what they want and they aren't going to come to your pristine ring.
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Beleive me, I've found plenty, I've even found one that has 5 large hotspots of LTD's on my journey to Colonia, the thing is, its quite far away, luckily carriers can make the jump.
 

Remus

Remus
Winterwalker said:
Good explanations, thanks. Cheers for several. o7

I don't think it's necessarily a game breaker though. Prices tending to reduce is not game breaking because then FC's can haul for profit at galactic average but even though you're planning on undercutting me, and would otherwise have traffic, I have a Killer Krait that won't interdict Commanders I have a word with in the hotspot, as long as they agree to trade with my megaship ... ?
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I like the way you think. :devilish:

If you don't allign with my prices, I make you. (gameplay folks!)
 

photomankc

photomankc
Remus said:
Beleive me, I've found plenty, I've even found one that has 5 large hotspots of LTD's on my journey to Colonia, the thing is, its quite far away, luckily carriers can make the jump.
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You've found 5 overlapping LTD hotspots? Clear here... were not talking 5 in one ring, but 5 that are laid over top of each other?
 
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