General / Off-Topic According to some people, the holocaust didn't happen.

[Adept]

Witness the treatment of Shylock in The Merchant of Venice (1596) and in in Oliver Twist (1837).

Exactly. The antisemitism in Merchant of Venice is utterly sickening.

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(I may be blurring the lines between the Jewish and Israeli peoples. If I am, and this is wrong, please accept my apologies. I do not mean to cause offence.)

This is a good thing to note. Israel is a nation, with a more and more nationalistic, hard line right wing government. Adherents of Judaism (and those identifying culturally as Jewish) are not responsible for the quite often nasty politics and actions of the state of Israel.

The state does quite often try to use the very real spectre of antisemitism as a way to shut down any critique of their actions. It is wrong, and can backfire dangerously, by stoking that irrational prejudice elsewhere in the world.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

Two quick replies, one.....Rwanda was a disgrace, we should never have let that happen i agree. Two, Hell razor, it wasn't "socialist Germany" It was "National socialist", there is a huge difference, i myself am socialist, as are many Jews for that matter.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

Please accept my apologies, corrected.

 

[Boomer Kay]

You realise that the Jews were the punching bag of Europe for an incredibly long time. It's one of the most insane feuds you could think of. Medieval times, Russian pogoroms... it's stupid and brutal.

I'd kinda blame that on Catholic/ Christian ideology and that "they killed Jesus" thing.

If there was some historic Jesus figure, he was Jewish and rather progressive. Something as inherently conservative as the Catholics would see that as a threat to their base of power.
Scapegoats always worked. And rallying against an external enemy instead of going for internal reforms.

Oh, and for the little fiefdoms and states that Europe consisted of most of the time, people who traveled, were internationally connected, were progressive, could adapt well like the Jewish people were always suspicious and threatening as well I guess (there's some century old pretty impressive Jewish heritage to be found around this area, which also used to be the some of the core of the holy Roman empire of German nations)

Just speculation, though.

 

[Strangepork]

I think the stating of personal preference and opinion as fact has become the fake news of late, almost expected.

When people are given access to personal, global publishing, via the Internet, with little or no recourse, or the traditional constraints of paper publishing, what to expoct?

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

Please accept my apologies, corrected.

Thanks for clarifying that you made a mistake, i have come across people why genuinely argue that socialists and national socialist are the same so i was just a little worried, no harm done here though, us frontier forum goers are reasonable people are we not ?. o7.

 

[Boomer Kay]

i have come across people why genuinely argue that socialists and national socialist are the same.

One of those alt-right kinda justifications. At least that's where I've found such claims... And yes, they do exist.
"Oh, they were 'national socialists', so actually left wing extremists.. we're the alt-right , we're the good guys."
Like there were no Marxist, Leninist, communist parties during Weimar republic on "the far left". Or the third Reich was some kind of socialist experiment that empowered women into the workforce. Nothing to do with the men all fighting at some front. -sigh-

 

[Necronaught]

One of those alt-right kinda justifications. At least that's where I've found such claims... And yes, they do exist.
"Oh, they were 'national socialists', so actually left wing extremists.. we're the alt-right , we're the good guys."
Like there were no Marxist, Leninist, communist parties during Weimar republic on "the far left". Or the third Reich was some kind of socialist experiment that empowered women into the workforce. Nothing to do with the men all fighting at some front. -sigh-

Socialism is the political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. The government controls the community.

The National Socialists were just the same. In fact less brutal in enforcing this system. The general principle is identical. Stalin murdered 60 million and Mao 45 million. Yet we focus on some amateur who murdered 6. The whole globalist agenda is sickening and should be resisted at every opportunity.

Brexit wasn't about immigration it was about stopping the first hurdle of the new communist take over. Of course Alex Jones and David Icke have put tin foil on my head

 

[Boomer Kay]

Socialism is the political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. The government controls the community.

The National Socialists were just the same. In fact less brutal in enforcing this system. The general principle is identical.

The means of production were quite firmly in the hands of industrials and oligarchs.
What do you think Krupp and Thyssen were? A boy band? (oh god, I see it on breitbart already "new in the alternative alternative charts.. yodeling strait outta Ruhrpott .. K&T " )

There was nothing social about the Reich.

 

[Necronaught]

The means of production were quite firmly in the hands of industrials and oligarchs.
What do you think Krupp and Thyssen were? A boy band? (oh god, I see it on breitbart already "new in the alternative alternative charts.. yodeling strait outta Ruhrpott .. K&T " )

There was nothing social about the Reich.

Of course the entire charade was a complete controlled event. George Bush's grand daddy was involved, along with most of Wall Street. American bombers told not to bomb munitions factories because American share holders have vested interests. 30 million Germans starved to death after the war. Russian troops told to German women. Deformed babies and children dying of leukemia. Coincidences we are told.

 

[metatheurgist]

I'd kinda blame that on Catholic/ Christian ideology and that "they killed Jesus" thing.

I always found that one strange since I was pretty sure the Romans killed him, but I guess that narrative didn't suit the roman church. Either way, so much for forgiveness.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

The third reich were not far left, or left in anyway, they murdered communists and democratic socialists, they were a far right group masquerading as "for the people", yes the Soviets were the same in many ways , neither were the type of democratic socialism we know today from the likes of Atlee, FDR through to Corbyn and Sanders and Isaac Herzog. As a matter of fact i agree that what happened to the German people after ww2 particularly by the Soviets, was a crime against humanity that deserves more recognition than it has in the west(allthough it still wasn't an attempt to exterminate an entire people like the holocaust was).

 

[Necronaught]

The third reich were not far left, or left in anyway, they murdered communists and democratic socialists, they were a far right group masquerading as "for the people", yes the Soviets were the same in many ways , neither were the type of democratic socialism we know today from the likes of Atlee, FDR through to Corbyn and Sanders and Isaac Herzog. As a matter of fact i agree that what happened to the German people after ww2 particularly by the Soviets, was a crime against humanity that deserves more recognition than it has in the west(allthough it still wasn't an attempt to exterminate an entire people like the holocaust was).

They wanted to ruin the proud Germanic women of whom they thought bred the future resistance to their internationalism. They knew from the Japanese, Americans would have had a rifle behind every blade of grass. The too would be a target in the future. However they were not on the door step.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

They wanted to ruin the proud Germanic women of whom they thought bred the future resistance to their internationalism. They knew from the Japanese, Americans would have had a rifle behind every blade of grass. The too would be a target in the future. However they were not on the door step.

I'm going to avoid this topic with you i think, looks like we are on a complicated one, potential massive difference of opinion regarding the left in general,i made it clear that i opposed the Soviet crimes but this USA and Japan talk has confused me a little, i best leave it and try get some sleep before we get into confused ranting (2:45 AM here). o7 CMDR.

 

[Necronaught]

I'm going to avoid this topic with you i think, looks like we are on a complicated one, potential massive difference of opinion regarding the left in general,i made it clear that i opposed the Soviet crimes but this USA and Japan talk has confused me a little, i best leave it and try get some sleep before we get into confused ranting (2:45 AM here). o7 CMDR.

My point being that there is a possibility that the Russian Commie Bolsheviks had their sights on not only a weakened Germany, still reeling from the decisions of a madman. You can guess the rest. History is replete with their crimes. Pro Israel by the way.

 

[Adept]

I'm going to avoid this topic with you i think, looks like we are on a complicated one, potential massive difference of opinion regarding the left in general,i made it clear that i opposed the Soviet crimes but this USA and Japan talk has confused me a little, i best leave it and try get some sleep before we get into confused ranting (2:45 AM here). o7 CMDR.

The person you were debating there is a genuine racist to the level of believing in eugenics. I hope his filth gets scrubbed off the forums.

I knew this topic would bring out the crazies. It was probably the intention all along.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

The person you were debating there is a genuine racist to the level of believing in eugenics. I hope his filth gets scrubbed off the forums.

I knew this topic would bring out the crazies. It was probably the intention all along.

I thought there was trouble with this one, so i got out lol, thanks for backing up my instincts. The same person made a thread about the "mens march", with the comment "oh and it was against real fascism" with a photo of US troops getting off the landing craft on D-day i presume, the post was meant as a provocation i think, but i think i responded appropriately. I'm not going to start insulting the guy, i think my calm, collected based post will be enough to counter any outrageous posts. Keep calm and fight fascism CMDRs.