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I am starting to write an Elite based story and was wondering what people thought of it so far (it's only about 3 pages in :eek:). I am not a writer and this is my first attempt (apart from a couple of Drabbles here) so any advice, glaring mistakes and whatnot would be great ..

So here it is....

‘Cheese on toast,’ Linden said loudly, knowing that everyone around would be able to hear him.
‘Is this all we have to eat?’ He said looking down at his plate.
‘This isn't even cheese .... Or bread!’
His outbursts had become a regular occurrence on the Ship, but he always seemed to get away with it, no one ever seemed to care.
‘Look at this,’ he said, pointing at a food stain, probably tomato sauce, clinging to the underside of the table like a limpet.
‘It’s disgusting!’ with that Linden left the gallery, food tray in hand, He wouldn't be seen dead eating with the crew... Ironically the crew were already dead.
Linden was alone, and had been for years, of course he didn't know, or most likely preferred not to accept this minor detail.
His colleagues corpses were littered around the ship and it appeared that meant nothing to him, he didn’t see it.
In fact, he even wrote a report about one of the crew members, for being late for duty and in an untidy uniform, who he reported this to though is still unknown.
The funny thing about history is someone has to be there to record it, and when the last person alive is insane; Things can get a little confused.

THIS IS WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED
THE NAMES HAVE BEEN CHANGED AS LINDEN WAS INSANE AND COULDN’T EVEN REMEMBER IF HE HAD CORNFLAKES FOR BREAKFAST
(He Hadn’t)

The story began 6 years ago, a day after the launch of the great ship Snake; it was an imaginative name for a ship with the designation Anaconda.
Whilst most of the ship’s crew had been handpicked from only the finest candidates from around the fleet “Other” positions needed filling, mostly due to the pomposity of a high class military vessel. The crew had a nickname for these nobody’s, “Window dressing”

Linden was nobody, just some bloke assigned to a ship; his job was pretty much,
‘Just stand there and salute … it looks better.’
This didn’t bother him; He was finally on a ship and not just any ship, this was Snake a battle class Anaconda; some would say the pride of the fleet.
His job was to stand by the second door on the second floor and salute anyone who walked past.
It wasn’t much but it was still a dream come true.
Although he had no idea why his role was important, he felt nothing but pride; he really believed that he would lay down his life to protect this ship… Unless it meant pain… he didn’t like pain.

DAY ONE: 07:00 – 30/10/32
‘Cheese on toast, I can’t believe that we can get this out here!’ Linden exclaimed, so excited that he almost jumped out of his seat.
It was only Cohan’s hand on his arm that stopped him.
‘Calm down dude, you know what they do if you …’ Cohan suddenly changed his focus to his plate of food.
The ships Security, a nasty bunch of individuals, with a penchant for violence were passing their table; being pulled out by the security was not something you wanted to happen. Tales were told, horrible tales… always avoid ‘The Security’
It was the Security’s job to keep the crew “Disciplined” though their methods where somewhat questionable.

As they passed, Cohan continued.
‘Just keep your head down, you’ll be fine,’ Cohan said, he knew Linden from the academy and he felt he had to look out for him, after all it was him that helped Linden get his position on the ship, what harm could he do saluting people all day?
‘I have to get back to engineering’ Cohan said as he got up from the table, taking his jacket off of the back of his chair.
‘Just remember, keep your head down’ he continued on his way out of the gallery, unaware that Linden was now face first in his dinner tray mumbling the words, ‘Head down, head down’.

Linden‘s demeanour gave an impression, something that people couldn’t quite put their finger on, but everyone eventually came to the same conclusion.
The general consensus was that Linden was a little simple, and that wasn’t far from the truth.
It wasn’t down to education or mental ability; he had passed all of his entry examinations after all.
It was just that he would do strange things sometimes and quite often he would have no idea of where he was at any given time, Sometimes he would wonder why he was on the toilet, Or why he hadn’t gotten there quicker, Both situations could end up being very messy.
Breakfast was now over and recovering from his “head down” incident, Linden walked back to his post, His face still bearing the signs of a meal not eaten, to the second door on the second floor, and stood.
Fulfilling his duties, he felt proud.
An hour, maybe two passed, Time is hard to judge when you are in a space and don’t have a watch to look at.
Linden had cleverly, he thought, devised a way of telling the time by how many salutes he’d given since the start of his shift, multiplying that by six and then taking away two, it didn’t work, in part because he would drift off and forget how many salute’s he’d given, but mainly because it was a stupid idea.
Linden stared at the wall opposite him, Salute and remember no eye contact he thought as someone else passed him, in what seemed to be a hurry.

The atmosphere within the ship had changed considerably in the last few minutes; it felt like the ship was moving about more than usual.
The whining of the Alarm sounded, at first it was a distant hum but slowly built up into a deafening roar as it filtered through the ship, lighting it up in flashes of red, most people would have taken this as a sign of danger.
But not Linden, as the crew were running to their battle stations, Linden was busy trying to ‘Fix’ the light bulbs in his area.
‘It’s O.K ...’ he said, pulling wires from behind the light bulbs in a vain attempt to ‘turn them off’
‘… I think it’s supposed to do this …’ Linden said, pretty much to himself thinking he had worked out the problem.
‘It’s probably a warning signal of some sort’ He shouted at the crew members running past him, throwing out the odd salute here and there, none of which seemed to be paying attention.
He managed to loosen the bulb enough to stop it flashing and declared it ‘Fixed!’
Feeling so proud that he had saved the ship from what he thought was imminent disaster.
It kind of was.
*Edited* the forum likes to rearrange the format .. that's fine

I have a plan for where the story is going, Obviously all of this is subject to change, I just want to know if I am heading in the right direction ... I guess I just want to know if it is any good :smilie:
 
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Hi,

Here are some of my immediate thoughts, much of it based on my own learning experiences on the Anthology.

A crazy person and last man alive on a ship is an interesting idea for a story. I’m just wondering if that’s something we need to know at the start of the story? Perhaps that should be something that develops as the story progressed, hard to say without the full story.

It’s a small sample you have, but there are some things you can do to make it read better.

"Look at this" he said, should be ‘Look at this,’ he said, - note the comma before closing the quotation marks. You need to do this throughout the text. Note i’ve also used ‘single quotes’. This is a style choice based on the publisher; all the elite books use this format. Either is good.

You over use the ellipsis … and this slows the reading of the text and causes the reader to stumble if you like.

“Snake”… you have words in quotes. This can be confusing as you use the same quotes for dialog. If snake is the name of the ship it should be italicised, all ship names should be italicised.

You need to be consistent e.g. The “Security” and “The Security”. You probably don’t need these in quotes. Are they being highlighted because they are security in inverted commas, but not actual security? If they are security then just call them that. They also seem to be feared, why?

All very small points, but together they will help make the text a lot more readable. Hope that helps some.
 
Thank you for the comments, I am in the process of re-writing what I have so far and your comments really help (thanks for the link Yaffle, I will check that out :))

I will update the OP once it is done .. thanks for the advice Flowswithdrek .. I will try to follow it :D

the story will move into explaining why the main character is insane and alone .. I thought that I would build up to that..

Again thanks so much for your input ... it is greatly appreciated :)
 
Updated the OP, the forum obviously doesn't add Italics on its own ... they are there for ship names and whatnot .. and the spacing seems bad, but looks good on word :)
 
The most common advice to a new writer is to remove at least half of the adjectives - especially abverbs. The principle is that one should show, not tell. Rather that telling the reader that your protagonist is acting nervously, for example describe the actions so the reader can infer his nervousness. Better still, establish the character and situation such that nervousness might be assumed without comment. The fragment of the OP does not seem to suffer greatly from this flaw, though I'd rethink Ironically in the last sentence of the intro - it is implicit.

Another common advisory is to avoid common similies and cliches, unless they are so well worn that they are more like idioms (eg the howling wind). Sometimes a simile survives because it really is a perfect description (eg the grip of fear) or have a nuance of meaning apart from the original subject (eg The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel -Neuromancer by William Gibson)
This is not an issue here. You might, perhaps find a synonym for 'whining' in 'The whining of the alarm' - chirping, or scintillating, or bloviating? or revert to the dull but idiomatic 'ringing'.

The problem I see in this piece is the overuse of sub-clauses to cram in information about each new subject as it comes up. I would suggest that if that nugget of information is worth reporting then is is worth giving a sentence of its own. Instead of a plethora of commas, semicolons and ellipses break up the multipart sentences into multiple shorter, snappier ones. For an important subject, repeating the words at the start of a second short sentence may even underline it.

For example I would re phrase the following
The ships Security, a nasty bunch of individuals, with a penchant for violence were passing their table; being pulled out by the security was not something you wanted to happen. Tales were told, horrible tales… always avoid ‘The Security’

as:-

The ships Security were passing their table. The Security were a nasty bunch of individuals, with a penchant for violence. Being pulled out by The Security was not something you wanted to happen. Tales were told, horrible tales. Always avoid The Security.

This style is related to the narrative voice, the persona of the storyteller. You have established that this is Linden and given a good broad-brushstroke idea of what to expect from him. He is likely to be simple, direct and obvious and not to carry through with more than one thought at a time. The repetition of The Security tells the reader that they made a strong impression on Linden - so much so that you could even cut out the 'penchant of violence' line or the 'Tales were told, horrible tales.' sentence as overkill. The time spent further explaining what is already obvious does give the reader further insight into Linden, though.

One last thought: Linden is a light, almost comedic character. This is helpful for building the character up and for exposition. When the meat of the action/suspense/conflict begins it will be harder to stay true to his character. You must either tread very carefully with his expressions, start to build a deeper layer of thoughfulness/stoicism/ennui/derring do in him before too long or find a literary excuse for switching the narrative voice to a different personality when sharper or deeper or more dramatic descriptions are called for.

(Disclaimer: I am no writer - I gleaned most of this as amateur sub-editor for a author friend of mine. There are many literary "rules" that will help you churn out conventional pot-boilers but the very best of new writing talents will probably have broken several of them.)
 
Hmmm...

Luniticisi said:
The ships Security, a nasty bunch of individuals, with a penchant for violence were passing their table; being pulled out by the security was not something you wanted to happen. Tales were told, horrible tales… always avoid ‘The Security’

Elias said:
The ships Security were passing their table. The Security were a nasty bunch of individuals, with a penchant for violence. Being pulled out by The Security was not something you wanted to happen. Tales were told, horrible tales. Always avoid The Security.

Allen Stroud said:
The ship's security - a nasty violent bunch - passed the table. 'Being pulled' wasn't something you wanted. People told stories about all that. Best to keep your head down and eyes on the ground.

Not going to go into this in detail as I don't have time currently, but avoid repetition of words and 'that' 'had' and 'was'. The former is jolting and the latter creates a barrier between the character and the reader.

Also a good idea to get your capitalisations and apostrophe use right.

Autocrit is also your friend - http://www.autocrit.com
 
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Thanks to everyone for the advice and feedback, It's really appreciated.

I have a question, is it a bad idea for me to continue writing in the same style I have been (albeit flawed) just to get the story out (kind of an outline of the story) then fix the mistakes in grammar and whatever else, or is it best to try to do that from the start (which would take me ages :))

cheers
 
You're a braver man than I!

it's all I can do to be entertaining and interesting in a few paragraphs, let alone a story and even then I don't always succeed.

Stick with it, there's some good advice already that I've seen and you do have the makings of a good tale there....

PS : If that idiot Archer can do it anyone else should be able to produce something far better than his ropey offerings :)
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice and feedback, It's really appreciated.

I have a question, is it a bad idea for me to continue writing in the same style I have been (albeit flawed) just to get the story out (kind of an outline of the story) then fix the mistakes in grammar and whatever else, or is it best to try to do that from the start (which would take me ages :))

cheers

With a first draft it's best to just write it as the story comes to you as quickly as possible. Doesn't matter if it's rough, just get it written. It's probably best to leave it for a while (a few days/weeks depending) then come back with fresh eyes. That way you're more likely to spot issues with your story, and then make the changes needed.

Quite often your final draft will be very different from the first version, as stories have a tendency to evolve as you edit them. Don't get trapped in the cycle of constantly editing and rechecking your work as you write, otherwise it'll never get written! ;)
 
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PS : If that idiot Archer can do it anyone else should be able to produce something far better than his ropey offerings :)

Completely unrelated to the litigious Archer and his ropey offerings, have you ever considered plagiarism?
 

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
Thanks to everyone for the advice and feedback, It's really appreciated.

I have a question, is it a bad idea for me to continue writing in the same style I have been (albeit flawed) just to get the story out (kind of an outline of the story) then fix the mistakes in grammar and whatever else, or is it best to try to do that from the start (which would take me ages :))

cheers

Whatever works for you. I do not have the courage you do to publish things here, but I do some bits and bobs in a writing group.

The stuff I do in the Thargoid is an exploration of ideas and concepts as much as anything especially as trying to write something funny without dropping to a very low common denominator is very difficult indeed.

If you want to get the story out, do it. Some writers do that. Some have a rough sketch, fill it in. Some do 97 redrafts. I think Oscar Wilde said that writing was hard work, for instance he spent all morning putting a comma in, then all afternoon taking it out again.

In short - write however you enjoy and feel motivated to. Enjoy is important.
 

Sir.Tj

The Moderator who shall not be Blamed....
Volunteer Moderator
With a first draft it's best to just write it as the story comes to you as quickly as possible. Doesn't matter if it's rough, just get it written. It's probably best to leave it for a while (a few days/weeks depending) then come back with fresh eyes. That way you're more likely to spot issues with your story, and then make the changes needed.

Quite often your final draft will be very different from the first version, as stories have a tendency to evolve as you edit them. Don't get trapped in the cycle of constantly editing and rechecking your work as you write, otherwise it'll never get written! ;)

Excellent advice. from everyone here.

True community spirit as always.:cool:
 
Whatever works for you. I do not have the courage you do to publish things here, but I do some bits and bobs in a writing group.

I have no problem with criticism, if that's the courage you mean. I am just starting out on this writing lark, and I am enjoying it.
The advice is welcomed (and everyone has been nice so far :eek:)

It seems that writing a story it is very much like writing or producing/engineering music* (which is what I do), there are basic rules to follow (but they can be broken;)) but the idea's are what matters ..

*Que the inevitable "Writing is like making love to a beautiful woman .. first you lay down the foundations...... "
 
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I would say that when it comes to grammar and punctuation start making fixes and writing correctly immediately. Bad habits are hard to break, and the sooner you adapt the sooner it sticks.
 
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