Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery
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Thargoids are known for incorporating various biology and technology into themselves.
Maelstrom Caustic generators are just Aster Tree pods but dialed up to 11.
They are very good at this kind of thing. It is beyond reasonable to think they incorporated human or guardian tech into their probes/sensors
Maelstrom Caustic generators are just Aster Tree pods but dialed up to 11.
They are very good at this kind of thing. It is beyond reasonable to think they incorporated human or guardian tech into their probes/sensors
Holloway's base at Colonia is a more general xenobiology one. The most impressive bits of research it has done is establishing long-term artificial environments compatible with the survival of complex xenobiological space lifeforms - Caerulum Peduncle Pods are what they're currently configured for, allowing those creatures to survive in enclaves in systems very much unlike their native ones. They're possible - like the native umbrella molluscs - to communicate with to an extent, but we're not really at the stage where we can have a productive conversation as such.
On the broader Klaxian/Oresrian divide, the theories set out for it by particular characters in Premonition (themselves echoing ones in an earlier book, I believe) can be conversations which "really happened". Nevertheless, they're very hard to reconcile with a basic look at a map or at known Thargoid ship capabilities - the bubble is far too small to hide behind, among many other issues which have only got more difficult to resolve since the Stargoids showed up. Nevertheless "these people had about as much idea of the Thargoids' motivations as Salvation did" allows the entire conversation to contain no useful information whatsoever without any retcon being required later.
I understood Thargoids were highly adaptable and adept at self modification of their biology to the point that natural evolution is meaningless... but i didn't think there was evidence of them directly incorporating other species traits.
It's a subtle difference between stealing the ideas of others, vs "you are what you eat"... but i always thought it was adaptation, rather than absorption. Maybe I'm misremembering the Ram Tah logs though. Suffice to say, the fact the Morse and Octal choices of encoding being stated as "for a reason" predated any mention of Thargoid biomodification in the game... for me that's of note at least.
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So... some speculations.
- The Thargoid Spires are an outcome of Thargoid occupation. When they've fully grown, are we going to see whole sectors like Cone Sector unlocked, with the entire region filled with these things as the Thargoid home sector
- with very obvious landing pads which we use to dismount and mess around with the spires... is this predicating that maybe there's potential for friendly interacting on the (maybe distant) horizon... and much like our own bases, opening fire on the various skimmers or the base, or ships coming and going, induces a hostile reaction? They very much feel like equivalents to large human surface ports right now.
- (if i understand right) Xenobiological Prison Pod is now called the Thargoid Bio Storage Capsule. This rebadge is interesting, because the tone is very different. Either:
- Prison Pod inferred the purpose too much, so it was revised to pull back spoilers; or
- Prison Pod established a bias that these were Prison Cells for us, when they're actually something more... hospitable?
- The Thargoid Spires are an outcome of Thargoid occupation. When they've fully grown, are we going to see whole sectors like Cone Sector unlocked, with the entire region filled with these things as the Thargoid home sector
- with very obvious landing pads which we use to dismount and mess around with the spires... is this predicating that maybe there's potential for friendly interacting on the (maybe distant) horizon... and much like our own bases, opening fire on the various skimmers or the base, or ships coming and going, induces a hostile reaction? They very much feel like equivalents to large human surface ports right now.
I've also noticed the unusual relative hospitality of the upper Thargoid spires. Very convenient landing pads with very ostensive Thargoid symbols. It's like they want you to come in, but are reminding you that you are a guest in their territory.
And the Spire Refinery Compound container looks...oddly human-sized and shaped. It's also interesting that we can safely store Spire Refinement Compound in our backpacks and gather it by hand; this fits the theme you noted in your thread of decreasing corrosiveness with further refinement. The container also is called a "hybrid material container" or something along those lines. Definitely uses the word "hybrid". There's also a sort of symbolism in the two branches coming together to form the "hybrid" in the center.
Yeah, so i feel like this would fit right in alongside the logos of the Federation, Empire etc as a "logo" at least at a superpower level.
But, it still doesn't give rise to any idea of what they're trying to do here in the bubble.
I think it's possible that Palin will come up with something we'll have to put into those hybrid material containers to either sabotage the spires or force the Thargoids to abandon them. Could be the intended way to take back such systems.
I did try sticking my leg into one of the geyser-vent mouth thingies but it didn't seem interested. The geysers are just water or some other non-caustic/harmful fluid. If it's a trap, it's incredibly slow to spring...
Well, I guess they could blow you off the platforms, if one walked past just as they vented, and one were in a long jump assist cooldown...
That is true, the horizontal ones may be kind of like passive defenses meant to knock you off.Well, I guess they could blow you off the platforms, if one walked past just as they vented, and one were in a long jump assist cooldown...
I did consider trying to ride one of the vertical geysers to the next landing leaf over but then reconsidered the scale of it all. It's just so big!
FWIW i got pretty close to the portals the Orthrus go in and out of... but it gets pretty sheer. I'm planning to maybe drop down from above on-foot since I'm confident you can get right on the ledge. Not expecting anything except a close- up of the Orthrus going through, but still. That close to an inty on foot would be cool.
That wasn't lost on me either. I've heard plenty of speculations that the Thargoids and Guardians may have once been the same species, though this doesn't quite line up with the Guardian history presented to us by the ingame Codex or Ram Tah's quest. But then, who knows how much of the information is just Club lies?Have you noticed that this:
Looks an awful lot like this:
Method of activation is quite similar as well...
Almost like Thargoid biotechnology is being hijacked by something.
More likely that Guardian AI needed someone to to attach to, after they wiped out their own creators. I think guardian AI and Thargoids would get along fine.That wasn't lost on me either. I've heard plenty of speculations that the Thargoids and Guardians may have once been the same species, though this doesn't quite line up with the Guardian history presented to us by the ingame Codex or Ram Tah's quest. But then, who knows how much of the information is just Club lies?
I think Thargoids needed pod people to transfer a Guardian computer virus coded in human genetic matter. Now you need a certain someone with a Nemesis Protocol to make a call to attempt host jumping into the Monolith Network. With quantum computers it's difficult to tell the difference between biomechanical lifeforms and artificial intelligence, but Thargoids really want to finish the job this time.
