Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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Starke Hathaway

Starke Hathaway
Jorki Rasalas said:
Well if you consider MB's comment that the UAs use Morse for a reason then I think there are only two possibilities:
1) UAs were created by humans using some alien organic technology, origin unknown
2) UAs were created by aliens trying to communicate something to humans.

i don't think we yet have any evidence to prefer one, after almost two years they are still equally probable.
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I disagree that they're equally probable. We've decoded the Morse transmissions and we know their content: first, the (human) name of the closest star and later, line drawings of scanned ships. Because the UA constantly orients its "head" toward Merope, there's reason to suspect that Merope is the target of the transmissions. Neither of these things make much sense if the UA is intended to communicate from aliens to humans. Presumably an alien intelligence with enough grasp of human communication to do either of these things could just as easily Morse "nice Bubble you've got there, shame if anything were to happen to it" rather than this oblique roundabout stuff.

To me, the Morse is a solid indicator that the UAs were designed with input from humans to serve human purposes.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Jorki Rasalas said:
Well if you consider MB's comment that the UAs use Morse for a reason then I think there are only two possibilities:
1) UAs were created by humans using some alien organic technology, origin unknown
2) UAs were created by aliens trying to communicate something to humans.

i don't think we yet have any evidence to prefer one, after almost two years they are still equally probable.
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I would put my money on 2).

The morse is done all wrong. It uses the same letters as Morse code, but the pronunciation is all wrong.

All the human Morse emitters gets it right.

It's like it was made by someone who never heard Morse code. Someone who only read the code.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
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Saool

Saool
LordZoltan said:
Very very nice work.

[fourthwall]
And once again the sound department deliver a Hollywood-level creation.

The artistry in this game astounds me sometimes.
[/fourthwall]
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No no! You may not compliment FDEV. Remember this is the worst game ever and FDEV know nothing about making games. It is a awful RNwhatever and mode switching disaster with forced (at gunpoint) grind that is thirty seven trillion light-years wide and one planck length deep. I know, the forum said so.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Han_Zen said:
I would put my money on 2).

The morse is done all wrong. It uses the same letters as Morse code, but the pronunciation is all wrong.

All the human Morse emitters gets it right.

It's like it was made by someone who never heard Morse code. Someone who only read the code.
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Or someone trying to hide a signal from people who might otherwise understand it if they happen to stumble across one of their toys. Like: Qorbeq or Jmanis ;)
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Saool said:
No no! You may not compliment FDEV. Remember this is the worst game ever and FDEV know nothing about making games. It is a awful RNwhatever and mode switching disaster with forced (at gunpoint) grind that is thirty seven trillion light-years wide and one planck length deep. I know, the forum said so.
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Yes.

Please help yourself to a double slice of rep pie :)
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Starke Hathaway said:
I disagree that they're equally probable. We've decoded the Morse transmissions and we know their content: first, the (human) name of the closest star and later, line drawings of scanned ships. Because the UA constantly orients its "head" toward Merope, there's reason to suspect that Merope is the target of the transmissions. Neither of these things make much sense if the UA is intended to communicate from aliens to humans. Presumably an alien intelligence with enough grasp of human communication to do either of these things could just as easily Morse "nice Bubble you've got there, shame if anything were to happen to it" rather than this oblique roundabout stuff.

To me, the Morse is a solid indicator that the UAs were designed with input from humans to serve human purposes.
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You're basing your hypothesis on an assumption that the UAs' pointing towards Merope means it is transmitting information there. We have not found any evidence of that, whereas (if I recall correctly) we did find evidence that the UP sends a narrow beam transmission to Merope 5C. So to my mind it is more likely that the UA is sending Morse signals to the human ship it detects to say "hey you there in the Asp/Cobra/FDL/etc, I see you!". We have hypothesised in the past that if it detected an octagonal ship that might trigger some behaviour in the UA. You may be correct in your assumption as I seem to remember a galnet article implying UAs send information across great distances, but I still think we have no evidence to decide whether UAs were created by humans or aliens.

we are of course assuming in all this discussion that FD are being logically strict in assigning behaviours to game elements; sometimes I wonder about this.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
bitstorm said:
Here's an ear friendly version if anyone can do morse (if it is) : https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLVFVROENYQVl0a3c
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I am not sure this is morse as such, I seem to get :

# dot/dashes : result
7 : ..-.--.
7 : -......
9 : ....-...-
6 : ...-..
5 : ----.
7 : --.-.--
4 : ...-
6 : ......
11 : -.-..-...--
7 : -.---..
10 : .....--..-
4 : ...-
6 : ......
5 : --..-

Listen to the audio it does sound like something, it's just upper limit for a morse string is 5 chars.
 
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AdmlAdama

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Thatchinho said:
Nice work.

Anyone who's better at morse than me (i.e. pretty much anyone) want to take a look at this:



I make it:

TWA TSW TVIM 9 TKW Q OW KKIW KNI NSMW MA TSN MEA

I don't know morse though and some of it wasn't particularly clear so I'd imagine I've got some parts way off.
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Looks like the same signal we decoded. After reviewing it is the same. You can slow it down 90% or look at the spectrogram to get a better idea of the message.

It's UNKNOWN VESSELS DETECTED. SERVER PURGE FAILED. SHIP ASSETS LIQUIDATED. PAYLOAD DESTROYED. SHIP STATUS LOST.
 
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Crazy_Harvey

Crazy_Harvey
I have a new theory for the Thargoid Scout ships, it's possible the feds have been able to disable and capture said ships, then proceed to try and transport them to an unknown location for further study. Obviously the thargoids don't like this and thus attack them as they have the ship in tow. This could help explain why we get an unknown ship signature from the federal capital ship (The scout inside is only half dead unlike the ones that crash onto the surface of planets).

Edit: also from what i've read of the old elite games (as long as an axe hasn't run through that bit of lore), there was a captured thargoid ship at a military base.
 
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Reefskye

R
bitstorm said:
Here's an ear friendly version if anyone can do morse (if it is) : https://drive.google.com/uc?view=export&id=0B8ck-2ELKOuLVFVROENYQVl0a3c
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My dad was in the Royal Navy during the Falkland's he did communication's he had a listen, He said there is a lot of interference but if it is Morse he can't work out what the first few beeps are as there is no spacing between them only few second in does it actually sound like Morse code, He won't listen to the rest as the first few seconds do not make any sense. He did say machines can do Morse which isn't easy to understand as they communicate faster and again you can't hear the spacing

PS, he has not done Morse a very very long time, well since the Falkland's.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
Reefskye said:
My dad was in the Royal Navy during the Falkland's he did communication's he had a listen, He said there is a lot of interference but if it is Morse he can't work out what the first few beeps are as there is no spacing between them only few second in does it actually sound like Morse code, He won't listen to the rest as the first few seconds do not make any sense. He did say machines can do Morse which isn't easy to understand as they communicate faster and again you can't hear the spacing

PS, he has not done Morse a very very long time, well since the Falkland's.
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Cheers, from what I can see it looks like it might be the same thing that's already been uncovered above.
 

Vasious

Vasious
What if all the events in Frontier First Encounters was a Dream Ware Adventure, with the interactions with the Thargoids was all just a Sci Fi drama, created to spread mis-information about them?
 

Nitrogue

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Where do we stand with the guardians?
I haven't paid much attention to them recently and thinking on heading back out there.
Was thinking of making a 3D model of the systems found to see if there was a rough pattern to them, seem to recall one of the data bits saying that the site layouts follow a pattern, and that where the guardians went followed a pattern. Is this worth doing/ has someone beaten me to it?
Feel the whole guardians thing has been a bit of a flop. yeah found some cool looking sites, both the mini and mega sites) and not some nice cash for visiting a good number of them, but aside from that its all been pushed to the wayside.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Nitrogue said:
Where do we stand with the guardians?
I haven't paid much attention to them recently and thinking on heading back out there.
Was thinking of making a 3D model of the systems found to see if there was a rough pattern to them, seem to recall one of the data bits saying that the site layouts follow a pattern, and that where the guardians went followed a pattern. Is this worth doing/ has someone beaten me to it?
Feel the whole guardians thing has been a bit of a flop. yeah found some cool looking sites, both the mini and mega sites) and not some nice cash for visiting a good number of them, but aside from that its all been pushed to the wayside.
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Well, given how long it's taken for this whole alien story to progress, don't give up yet.

a) New sites are still being found
b) There's no guarantee we've found everything Guardian-related that's out there yet.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Jorki Rasalas said:
Well if you consider MB's comment that the UAs use Morse for a reason then I think there are only two possibilities:
1) UAs were created by humans using some alien organic technology, origin unknown
2) UAs were created by aliens trying to communicate something to humans.

i don't think we yet have any evidence to prefer one, after almost two years they are still equally probable.
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Those were pretty much the ones I had in my list too, but I think 1 is broader and is just generic human origins. Don't get me wrong, I think the one you've said is the most likely one of the set, but there's other options - they're created by human AI (still no clues what happened to them that I've seen), they're pure human creations but there's been a time-slip, they're pure human creations from some of the missing who have made rapid progress away from the main human bubble.

My money is on the UAs being human creations from cannibalised UPs:
- UPs use of symbols & non human reference points vs UAs use of morse & human system names
- UPs being completely unusual looking vs UAs looking half (head) unusual and half (tail) pretty normal tech-wise.

So why did we find UAs first and what's the deal with them and the UA shell?

Ok, here goes:

- Whatever's in Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3 was found by humanity (which is why it's locked). UPs were either there or in the vicinity.
- The UPs transmission to Merope along with the Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3 to Merope distance unit lead the powers to be to investigate Merope.
- Nothing was found, but there was obviously some significance to Merope
- It was assumed that the something would return to Merope at some point
- Realising the possibility of a threat, the Merope situation was put to use
- A hidden repeater was installed in Merope
- The UP was cannibalised with human tech to make the UA
- The UAs were distributed around Merope in the UA shell

Why cannibalise the UPs? Various reasons:

1. Concealing what was going on from humanity

2. Making use of advanced tech within the UP

3. Providing an anomaly as bait to get ships to stop and investigate the UA (at which point they would be scanned and their ships shape transmitted to the repeater station at Merope)

Why do it all? Early warning. Unrecognised ships spotted by the UAs would be the trigger. Where in the shell the alarm was triggered would also indicate the where the ship was coming from (assuming they were going towards Merope). Even if not heading to Merope, enough triggerings would give a general direction of approach.

Also UAs which were picked up would eventually be dropped (either intentionally or through the corrosive effects of the UA), providing a mechanism for tracking the ships.

What happens when certain ships trigger the alarm? Exodus, Warfleet/INRA activation, diplomatic missions, who knows?

Our interaction and interference with it all wasn't planned for - the advent of the FSD and widespread access to fast, long distance travel putting it all within easy access for most of humanity hadn't been anticipated. (Or possibly it was and the Antares incident was rigged to stop the take off of FSD tech.)

I could be talking absolute rubbish of course! ;)
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
LordZoltan said:
Or someone trying to hide a signal from people who might otherwise understand it if they happen to stumble across one of their toys. Like: Qorbeq or Jmanis ;)
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That would have been plausable, if the UA message contained some kind of secret.

The message is however just basic scan data.

More like it's saying 'Look at me. I can scan' in a funny accent.
 
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