Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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May be a stupid idea/already tried but since the spectrograph shows the UP (which points to Merope when dropped in space) on the right and Merope on the left (therefore it seems to be in the wrong spot) what if you switch the UA and UP positions on the unknown device?
 
What if the difference in your calulations doesn't refer to a different system to d2-33, but implies you need to fly in a particular direction once inside d2-33 quite a long way to find something?

I mean why would a live Thargoid mothership hang out near a sun when they spend so much time between systems?

Also all the generation ships we've found have been "fly this direction from this landmark for quite a long time till you see it".
I'm with this idea.

Most Thargoid attacks and battles have apparently been in the vast gulf between systems, but the major (in game) flaw with this idea is the speeds at which our ships move beyond the system and the 1kLs range on supercruise searches.

Unless it popped up with a "mission critical" USS (or other implanted feature) everyone would have to double back and check every Signal Source and risk adjusting the flight path off the intended route.
 
Not a crazy idea, I always found it weird that the Thargoid artifacts communicate in such human ways that we can easily interpret. Fdev says they want them to be truly alien. Communicating in binary and spectrogram audio stuff doesn't give that impression, but at least with your theory it kinda of makes sense, they're all like "Lets see if these dumb flesh monkies can figure this out, if they can, maybe we give em a chance at the Galactic (or Universal) table, maybe they have something to offer."

The simpler the system, the less error there is in it.. that why they use binary notation. Also mathematics is universal language and this why we can easily interpret.
 
Maybe breakfast coffee is beginning to wake up the grey cells but I've had a thought. Possibly the UD spectogram is an invitation to a diplomatic meeting between Thargoids and Humans, the representation of a system from each (Merope and Sol) coming to a common point? Just a thought!

Had some coffe my self.
I'm starting to think that the spectrogram image represents a hyper jump, from the bottom circle to the top circle.

The second number should then be the lenght of the jump from the system where the spectrogram was found to the target system.

I think that gives a single arrival point?
 
Had some coffe my self.
I'm starting to think that the spectrogram image represents a hyper jump, from the bottom circle to the top circle.

The second number should then be the lenght of the jump from the system where the spectrogram was found to the target system.

I think that gives a single arrival point?

Snap! (see earlier)


Or...

It's related to the message that was played. I can't remember what they say, but do they relate to a system?
 
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Had some coffe my self.
I'm starting to think that the spectrogram image represents a hyper jump, from the bottom circle to the top circle.

The second number should then be the lenght of the jump from the system where the spectrogram was found to the target system.

I think that gives a single arrival point?


Do we need to find more live facilites then, are we positive there is only one live base to get the catalyst spectros from?
 
Had some coffe my self.
I'm starting to think that the spectrogram image represents a hyper jump, from the bottom circle to the top circle.

The second number should then be the lenght of the jump from the system where the spectrogram was found to the target system.

I think that gives a single arrival point?

So, yeah I was thinking this too - and it would also mean that both Merope on the left and the 'other' system on the right are both equidistant from the source location and the target location.

Because distances 1 and 3 define the lengths of the hypotenuses of two right-angled triangles where one of the other sides' length is equal to half that 2nd distance.

Edit: Or, it just makes a diamond which has the same dimensions top and bottom :) (that pint of coffee is only just kicking in!)
 
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UL doesn't appear to orient itself in any particular fashion (after multiple drops with different ship orientation) nor does it react to honking or EMP.

Is there a checklist of things that people tried doing with the alien artifacts?
 
It somewhat works with the last one as well. The problem is the middle one as I was searching the galaxy map (or whatever exists in edsm) for suitable planets, HIP 14909 kept popping up as a candidate for both the first and last bits of coordinates. However I couldn't find a system that would fit the middle bits of coordinates. The best I could come up with is:

(The percentage is the error as a percentage of the Col70-Merope distance)

Code:
First group: Mel 22 Sector ZU-P c5-1
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Merope:     136.580083 (-0.02%)
HIP 14909:   26.941161 (-0.007%)
Col 70:     836.592905 (+0.05%)


Second group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-33
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Merope:     127.697097 (+0.2%)
HIP 14909:   28.109822 (+0.1%)
Col70:      825.827712 (+0.3%)


Third group: Mel 22 Sector NX-U d2-27
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Merope:     131.181898 (-0.04%)
HIP 14909:   34.739277 (-0.01%)
Col70:      816.147941 (+0.0004%)

The 0.1-0.3 % error doesn't seem that high until you consider the fact that the Link is able to specify coordinates within 1/1000th (0.1%) of Col70-Merope distance - thus the error should never be larger than +/- 0.05%.

If the probe was measuring distances from Mel 22 d2-33, this would result in the following fractions:

Code:
Merope:    127.697097 / 871.018424 = 0.1466 = 147 / 1000, actual 144 / 1000 (represented as 18 / 125)
HIP 14909:  28.109822 / 871.018424 = 0.0323 =  32 / 1000, actual  31 / 1000
Col70:     825.827713 / 871.018424 = 0.9481 = 948 / 1000, actual 945 / 1000 (represented as 189 / 200)

Don't suppose there exists an unmapped system within couple of light years from d2-33?

can anyone remind where from we did get this numbers? And how. wanna try myself with source
 
The UL transmit a coded message similar to the UP. The coded message souds
like an old printer or old harddrive arms motion.

The UL message has three blocks of two numbers in octal coded on three bits.
Listening/looking at the transmission you get the binary triplets that form the message.

converting to decimal you get :

18/125 --| UA
31/1000 -|- UL
945/1000 -|| UP

From the UP we know that distances are measured with 1 = 871.012824 lyr

So, in effect what we got here is three distances from known locations : Col70, Merope and HIP14909(?)
Distances from three reference points is a valid way to encode a point in space (though having more cut the uncertainties).

Plus, this interpretation fits nicely with the sonogram drawing :

the triple wavy thing represent distances, and it remembers us that UA refers to merope, UP to col70. The link refers to the source (HIP14909).
The three "distances" point to the "target" (circle at the top).

Also :


  • the UA is associated with --| in the drawing, and merope. so : line 1 = merope to target
  • the UL is associated with -|- in the drawing, and sits between bottom and top circles. so : line 2 = source to target
  • the UP is associated with -|| in the drawing, and col70. so : line 3 = col70 to target

Two predictions :


  • The system on the right will match the col70 sector system map. The system in question is a brown dwarf, so the picture depicted is credible
  • If we find and other active site, the UL will give an other distance in the second line.

Congratz to Wade & all for the nice work :)
 
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can anyone remind where from we did get this numbers? And how. wanna try myself with source

Just keep clicking back on the 'source' links and you'll get there - well done to the CMDRs for keeping traceability, now we just have to find something! One thought: Is it possible that the middle ??? system is actually the one we are looking for? I'll look into that idea later on if I have time Never mind : HIP 14909 fits the ???, esp if ZU-P c5-1 is the target.
 
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The UL transmit a coded message similar to the UP. The coded message souds
like an old printer or old harddrive arms motion.

The UL message has three blocks of two numbers in octal coded on three bits.
Listening/looking at the transmission you get the binary triplets that form the message.

converting to decimal you get :

18/125
31/1000
945/1000

From the UP we know that distances are measured with 1 = 871.012824 lyr

So, in effect what we got here is three distances from known locations : Col70, Merope and HIP14909(?)
Distances from three reference points is a valid way to encode a point in space (though having more cut the uncertainties).

Let me get that straight:

That'd mean we're searching for a system that is:

125,4 lys away from either Merope or HIP 14909
27 lys away from either Merope or HIP 14909
823 lys away from Col 70 (assuming that the largest distance is the distance to Col 70 as Merope and HIP 14909 are fairly close).

Is that correct?
 
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Is that correct?

As far as I can tell, yes.

I will go so far as saying that the sonogram drawing tells us that the first coordinate is the distance to merope.
(see my updated previous post)

Be aware that due to a big mess up, I don't have my won data, I use what I can get from the thread so :)
 
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