Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[mossfoot]

Some questions I have, not of the puzzle, but the implications of the ruins themselves.

This is a low-gravity airless world, correct?

So what was the purpose of this site? What did it use to be? A colony?

But this can't be how it was, way back. It couldn't just have been abandoned - presumably it was mostly disassembled first? Without an atmosphere there's no weathering or erosion to speak of, so if it was abandoned everything should still be there where they left it.

Would these obelisks and whatnot have comprised the "basement" of the city? Why leave those things behind while removing everything else?

 

[dynamicbob]

Some questions I have, not of the puzzle, but the implications of the ruins themselves.

This is a low-gravity airless world, correct?

So what was the purpose of this site? What did it use to be? A colony?

But this can't be how it was, way back. It couldn't just have been abandoned - presumably it was mostly disassembled first? Without an atmosphere there's no weathering or erosion to speak of, so if it was abandoned everything should still be there where they left it.

Would these obelisks and whatnot have comprised the "basement" of the city? Why leave those things behind while removing everything else?

On human worlds that are airless they already have underground habitation zones and the like. Unless this is a spot that was out of the way and was meerely a collection point where they came in ships, got out on space legs or srv analogues, used it for communication and went on their way home

Or given we cant access atmospheric worlds, perhaps there are more ruins on earthlike and other worlds but because they arent ingame yet we dont see them

 

[Trafalgar Law]

Lots of ppl have been farming the missions that repeat themselves for all it is worth, its a massive not an exploit but a very much a farmable thing currently.

But thats more a sign of the under develoopment of the background simulation system more than anything, take advantage of it the mission resets every 24 hours - id say u have about 2 weeks before they fix it 100mil x 14 = u should be able to farm out about 1.4bil credits before the hole is plugged

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Fdev are usually a little slow in fixing farmable mechanics

I must admit it's extremely tempting and entirely forseeable. I've not bothered with the other get rich quick schemes as I always felt it would spoil the game somewhat. But this one is so ridiculously easy, especially with the data leak bug... as I said it's looking very tempting.

 

[tulae]

So my friend and I are in PG and do not see any more obelisks other than the standard solo ones. Why?

Three people or more. I think by this point several CMDRs have been able to verify that the obelisks begin to change when you have a minimum of three people at the site. The changes, however, appear to be random.

If you're alone in Solo, PG, or even Open, you'll only see the standard set of obelisks.

 

[CMDRDethalis]

Looking in the wrong place ? that said isnt there a bug with solo/private and the beacons only work in open ?

I have the latest map and combo sheet as per just a few pages back... there is only the two of us in this private group. I went to open and still did not work... two commanders were there

 

[Cmdr Zach]

Lots of ppl have been farming the missions that repeat themselves for all it is worth, its a massive not an exploit but a very much a farmable thing currently.

But thats more a sign of the under develoopment of the background simulation system more than anything, take advantage of it the mission resets every 24 hours - id say u have about 2 weeks before they fix it 100mil x 14 = u should be able to farm out about 1.4bil credits before the hole is plugged

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Fdev are usually a little slow in fixing farmable mechanics

You mean you get the 100M bonus for handing in the mission? I thought it was if you "completed" i.e. got all 101 data sets!

 

[dynamicbob]

I must admit it's extremely tempting and entirely forseeable. I've not bothered with the other get rich quick schemes as I always felt it would spoil the game somewhat. But this one is so ridiculously easy, especially with the data leak bug... as I said it's looking very tempting.

Its tempting but im holding off, but i am also searching elsewhere off planet as well. I guess its a nice new years present to the players for 2017 so cant complain to much

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You mean you get the 100M bonus for handing in the mission? I thought it was if you "completed" i.e. got all 101 data sets!

If you get all data sets, but u can turn around after 24 hours and retake the mission in theory

 

[M. Volgrand]

UPDATE ON THE ALIEN HYPERDICTIONS:

Sorry for scaring you, no breakthroughs done so far . But here, have a timelapse of the hyperdictions up to date!

[video=youtube;d8_h_vdr8Yc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8_h_vdr8Yc&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

[dynamicbob]

the dark tarsus region has had a few as well

 

[CMDRDethalis]

Three people or more. I think by this point several CMDRs have been able to verify that the obelisks begin to change when you have a minimum of three people at the site. The changes, however, appear to be random.

If you're alone in Solo, PG, or even Open, you'll only see the standard set of obelisks.

I went to open and it was me and two other commanders there

 

[7blackphoenix]

I've tried to read as much of this thread as I can to make sure I don't contribute a worthless idea. That being said:

Seeing the pattern of 3's all over these ruins and triangles and so forth and the fact we've only uncovered about 1/3 of the data that is available: maybe this ruins site is one of three (yes i know it's been said but hear me out) ON THE SAME PLANET. Looking at the aerial view of this site the two roundish mounds of the hex could be laying on a line. This site could be the corner of one giant triangle. Would or have any CMDRs flown in the direction they point (big to small mound, as straight as possible maintaining that heading) and seen if there is another site on this very planet? I don't think we can plot the other points on the coordinate plane using a 60 degree angle since we don't know how far it actually extends.

It came to me in the shower so please cut me some slack....:|

 

[CMDRDethalis]

Three people or more. I think by this point several CMDRs have been able to verify that the obelisks begin to change when you have a minimum of three people at the site. The changes, however, appear to be random.

If you're alone in Solo, PG, or even Open, you'll only see the standard set of obelisks.

What do you mean "begin" to change? What triggers this?

 

[Sorbicol]

Some questions I have, not of the puzzle, but the implications of the ruins themselves.

This is a low-gravity airless world, correct?

So what was the purpose of this site? What did it use to be? A colony?

But this can't be how it was, way back. It couldn't just have been abandoned - presumably it was mostly disassembled first? Without an atmosphere there's no weathering or erosion to speak of, so if it was abandoned everything should still be there where they left it.

Would these obelisks and whatnot have comprised the "basement" of the city? Why leave those things behind while removing everything else?

The monoliths or obelisks, (I think they are one and the same thign) form part of the Guardian's pan galactic communications network. We know from the data packets decoded so far the the guardians used electro-magnetic propulsion systems (think rail guns) for not only their primary mechanical weapons technology, but also for ship launch into orbit (because they were apparently all hippy tree huggers who didn't like the idea of rocket engines destroying their environment)

Therefore given it's a small rocky, atmosphere-less low gravity rock, it would be my assumption that's some sort of way-station or communications station (which I think is the current favourite theory) With low gravity and no atmosphere to cause too much drag, energy expenditure to get any ship off the surface would be so much less.

Putting on my tinfoil hat, I did wonder if the later data packets discovered hints that they eventually ended up in a war of extinction with their AIs - and that this station actually represents more of a library of their species' history from the last remnants of their civilisation that hadn't either fallen to the AIs or been subsumed by them. Sort of a very complicated "we woz 'ere" sign. But that is rampant speculation with no hard evidence to back it up with.

 

[dynamicbob]

The monoliths or obelisks, (I think they are one and the same thign) form part of the Guardian's pan galactic communications network. We know from the data packets decoded so far the the guardians used electro-magnetic propulsion systems (think rail guns) for not only their primary mechanical weapons technology, but also for ship launch into orbit (because they were apparently all hippy tree huggers who didn't like the idea of rocket engines destroying their environment)

Therefore given it's a small rocky, atmosphere-less low gravity rock, it would be my assumption that's some sort of way-station or communications station (which I think is the current favourite theory) With low gravity and no atmosphere to cause too much drag, energy expenditure to get any ship off the surface would be so much less.

Putting on my tinfoil hat, I did wonder if the later data packets discovered hints that they eventually ended up in a war of extinction with their AIs - and that this station actually represents more of a library of their species' history from the last remnants of their civilisation that hadn't either fallen to the AIs or been subsumed by them. Sort of a very complicated "we woz 'ere" sign. But that is rampant speculation with no hard evidence to back it up with.

if that was the case, where did the Ai goto, other hints indicate they went to war with each other and it was biological warfare that wiped them out, so i dont think the AI is the leading theory, but there could have been an element.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

A lot of new obelisks lit up this evening with no apparent way of telling how or why. One obelisk even went dark as I was dismissing my ship. I was in C zone and I saw obelisks 50, 44, 45, 27, 29 and 37 light up. I submitted scan results to the spreadsheet, noting that tablet and casket gave No Result each time.

I think this is significant. With over 100 obelisks in this site, and with new ones lighting up which I could not see documented elsewhere, it leads to the conclusion that this quest can be solvable at this one site, and not in Solo. What we need to determine is what makes the obelisks light up, and in particular what actions we do to get a specific obelisk to glow. I think this is the key puzzle.

 

[frostypaw]

I've tried to read as much of this thread as I can to make sure I don't contribute a worthless idea. That being said:

Seeing the pattern of 3's all over these ruins and triangles and so forth and the fact we've only uncovered about 1/3 of the data that is available: maybe this ruins site is one of three (yes i know it's been said but hear me out) ON THE SAME PLANET. Looking at the aerial view of this site the two roundish mounds of the hex could be laying on a line. This site could be the corner of one giant triangle. Would or have any CMDRs flown in the direction they point (big to small mound, as straight as possible maintaining that heading) and seen if there is another site on this very planet? I don't think we can plot the other points on the coordinate plane using a 60 degree angle since we don't know how far it actually extends.

It came to me in the shower so please cut me some slack....:|

As with any theory - it's easy to test so go try it cmdr then nobody needs to cut you any slack at all

 

[M. Volgrand]

the dark tarsus region has had a few as well

Do you know if those have been properly gathered somewhere? I need at least a date at a system name.

 

[CMDRDethalis]

A lot of new obelisks lit up this evening with no apparent way of telling how or why. One obelisk even went dark as I was dismissing my ship. I was in C zone and I saw obelisks 50, 44, 45, 27, 29 and 37 light up. I submitted scan results to the spreadsheet, noting that tablet and casket gave No Result each time.

I think this is significant. With over 100 obelisks in this site, and with new ones lighting up which I could not see documented elsewhere, it leads to the conclusion that this quest can be solvable at this one site, and not in Solo. What we need to determine is what makes the obelisks light up, and in particular what actions we do to get a specific obelisk to glow. I think this is the key puzzle.

Nice! Now i still do not understand what the one cmdr on here said by begin to change... what triggers the first pg/open set to come on? Just by having three people in the instance?

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Could it be how many telic beacons are active?

 

[Sorbicol]

A lot of new obelisks lit up this evening with no apparent way of telling how or why. One obelisk even went dark as I was dismissing my ship. I was in C zone and I saw obelisks 50, 44, 45, 27, 29 and 37 light up. I submitted scan results to the spreadsheet, noting that tablet and casket gave No Result each time.

I think this is significant. With over 100 obelisks in this site, and with new ones lighting up which I could not see documented elsewhere, it leads to the conclusion that this quest can be solvable at this one site, and not in Solo. What we need to determine is what makes the obelisks light up, and in particular what actions we do to get a specific obelisk to glow. I think this is the key puzzle.

I scanned C32, C33, C27, C50 and C45 with tablet and orb with no success. I added the results to the spreadsheet.

One thing quite noticeable to me in Solo mode while I was doing the default obelisks (sorry for the B4 confusion!) was the humming noise made by the obelisks when I was carrying the key artifact at each location. I did check when carrying nothing, and while there were still some odd noises, it wasn't anywhere near as pronounced. I will try to repeat the experiment while I'm recording next time.

 

[Zetesh]

I was just in a P/G waiting for the remaining Obelisks to activate. When I got bored, i randomly startet scanning active ones with Totem+Totem in my SRV. then someone wrote in chat, that he got Culture 8 just by hovering above the site. As i explained the bleeding bug to him, i noticed that the combination of items in my hold matched the sheets requirement for exactly that decrypted data set, Culture 8. But the Obelisk i was scanning did not.
So i asked If he had previously scanned the matching Obelisk. as we were matching up our numerations my game crashed.
if he did, it would help figuring out the workings of FD's programming and hence the puzzle.
can someone try to check that?

if this has been previosly mentioned, i'm sorry for the redundancy.