Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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Ok, i know a lot of people are probably frustrated with this mission/puzzle by now, but i'm curious. I've spent the better part in a private group with my GF, we both currently have 14M Credits awarded, though there is some deviation in our scan results, however for the last 12-14hours of play here, we havn't been able to get any 'New' Obelisk patterns to activate, its the same ones that always activate over and over again, does anyone have any known theories on how to get new, or different obelisks to activate?

Wow you have a GF that plays Elite - that's a keeper!
 
it doesnt say what unlocks what... On the Kaltern sheet I saw many others combination, the sheets in front page has only the standard combos

currently i found this on discord canonn group https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...57nTBtDqRan41SZKpppJrmwA3c/edit#gid=208480479

Kaltern's sheet has always been and still is on the FP. However I'll had this one as well: the issue is that different spreadsheets hold different informations, so you still need to take a look at all of them to have the whole picture...
 
Wait a minute... I was on site yesterday and noticed the second sun (with rings) seems to rise in the Slot just right to the sun. If the 3rd star raises from the 3rd slot, then this big circle may be the representation of the system we're in (The "YOU ARE HERE" on a map).

Good point and the second area on the other side of the site could be a destination system? What if each of the Relic towers were destinations on a map?
 
It's a bit bugged, but it can be worked around. Having several commanders your instance, will make all the data packages available, it seems.

I think we have found all the packages that are at this site.

If we find other sites, they will have the same bug. Until the bug is patched, be prepared to team up if you want to get all packages.

I think you are right, we got all the packages from that site.

IMO we need to focus on finding the other sites, and this time we need to do it without having the sky background from a video.
I'm quite sure FD has put a way of locating those, beyond dumb luck. What way is a good question though, since we did not have to
use it for the first ruins, we're kind of in the dark.

0.02$ questions :

1) Have all the beacons mysteries been solved. (If some have not, we might have somethign there)
2) Is there anything unusual about the planet/scan/system (did not see anything special, but more eyes = better)
 
from looking at the image below it could be that the where Group A is located is some kind of clock, i.e it shows us when the constellation of stars we are looking for is visible in the sky from our location, I'm fairly certain that the layout of the Artifacts is in someway a indication of the constellation we are looking for, and that the relics/beacons are the systems of interest. The beacon at Group A could represent us, the beacon by the pyramid at 180 degrees from Group A represents the Southern Pole star, mainly as the angle at which the Pyramid is at if driven at 180 degrees point you directly at the pole star. So I think the remaining beacons represent the position of the 2 remaining data locations

http://i.imgur.com/HKGYu1J.jpg

Also here is a vid of the sun rising and one of the polar region spinning above the Pyramid, both taken from the centre of Group A

https://youtu.be/i750mO91qCE https://youtu.be/OyAQ11wqlwg

is anybody good enough to cross reference this vid to find out which star the pole star is, it would be logical to suppose that this could be a place for one of the outposts/ark landing spots, a good candidate i would say.

wheres Xdeath when you need him.
 
Areas / regions of stars have been permit locked (i.e. You can't jump there) since the game was in beta. It's just a game mechanic. However I believe that Barnard's loop was once fully explorable, and now a lot of it is locked. It would seem that something is going to happen out there, but not until Fdev are ready for it.

Hopefully by that time they'll have rethought their approach to quality control, but I wouldn't hold you breath......

Yeah, bad wording on my part :D I knew about permit systems, but I thought they were limited to Achenar, Sol, Summerland, etc...

What do you need to get into those systems and who claimed them? it does not make sense to me that those deep space systems without any colonization have permits required for them...
 
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What do you need to get into those systems and who claimed them? it does not make sense to me that those deep space systems without any colonization have permits required for them...

AFAIK you cannot get permits (they are 'unknown permits' - as stated above they are for future plot developments. I think there is at least one CMDR who has been marooned on the 'other side' of those permit blocked systems (at some stage the permits were not required?) - and they are trying to get back to Sol by going around, so things could be worse:)
 
I think you are right, we got all the packages from that site.

IMO we need to focus on finding the other sites, and this time we need to do it without having the sky background from a video.
I'm quite sure FD has put a way of locating those, beyond dumb luck. What way is a good question though, since we did not have to
use it for the first ruins, we're kind of in the dark.

0.02$ questions :

1) Have all the beacons mysteries been solved. (If some have not, we might have somethign there)
2) Is there anything unusual about the planet/scan/system (did not see anything special, but more eyes = better)

I think all the known beacons mysteries have been solved, but more may have been added in 2.2.03.

Another option is the tourist missions. One commander found ancient objects in a blue POI, during one of those.

What we know from the messages we have, is that the monolith network is arranged in a geometrical pattern. This probably means that the distances between the different ruin systems are equal.

That does not help us much, as we only have one point. We may however also have the plane.

As it's called 'the monolith network', we can assume that the monoliths(relic towers) are the active component in the communication.
The towers points straight up. As the planet rotates(in 6.9 days), the towers will draw a circle on the local sky box. Every 6.9 days, they will point at the same star.
This circle forms a plane, where we will probably find more ruin sites.

If we find a second site we can probably calculate where the rest are, by applying geometrical shapes(triangle or hexagon are most likely).

Until we find a second site, this does not help much. If we are lucky, we will find a suspicious system(like Soontil, Achenar, Polaris, Merope or Sol) in this plane. If not, we don't have much.[???]
 
Yeah, I though of the sites being in a geometric pattern, say a triangle since it would mean 3sites => all data.

However there are some problems with using this :

1) we do not know the plane which contains the triangle
2) we do not know the length between the three points.
3) Brute forcing the problem is very hard (would need a data set of all the systems in the area, with their coordinates, and search for equilateral triangles starting with the known system)*.


*It might be possible to do using the logfile / eddiscovery (will have a look see, because checking all the systems in a 150 lyr radius seems at least doable).
 
Ahhh - please stop spreading incorrect information.

The ancient structures are called "obelisks" - see Ram Tah's message below for proof and please stop calling them monoliths.

"spreading"?

What part of "I" didn't you understand?

As many CMDRs confirmed, and after pages and pages of this thread, Ram Tah and the "current time" call them obelisks. But the data pieces talk about something called "monoliths" wich everybody is assuming are the current "obelisks". I see two possibilities here:

1. The obelisks are the monoliths and FD doesn't know that MONOliths must have a SINGLE piece (and our obelisks probably have 6 triangular pieces).
2. Obelisks and Monoliths are two completely different things and we must find a site with actual monoliths using the current ancient ruins clues.
 
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Yeah, I though of the sites being in a geometric pattern, say a triangle since it would mean 3sites => all data.

However there are some problems with using this :

1) we do not know the plane which contains the triangle
2) we do not know the length between the three points.
3) Brute forcing the problem is very hard (would need a data set of all the systems in the area, with their coordinates, and search for equilateral triangles starting with the known system)*.


*It might be possible to do using the logfile / eddiscovery (will have a look see, because checking all the systems in a 150 lyr radius seems at least doable).

As I said, I think we have the plane. The towers need to point to all the other sites, once during a 'day'(6.9 of our days).

Brute forcing in never a good option in ED. :D
 
Yesterday I tried to hover in my ship with 3 objects of each type.

I got no results while SRVs were scanning.

After I discarded one item of each (keeping 2 of each on cargo hold) I started to recieve scans.
 
Yesterday I tried to hover in my ship with 3 objects of each type.

I got no results while SRVs were scanning.

After I discarded one item of each (keeping 2 of each on cargo hold) I started to recieve scans.

Interesting - if my ship had > 10t cargo capacity I would try and confirm :(
 
Yay welcome back Riz.

I don't think these are the same ships as in the wreckages, I think those are like Ship Launched Fighters in comparison.


The first image has to be significant. The shadow overlaying it doesn't help, but it could be an image of a Guardian, a religious symbl, or some kind of impression of the ship that was launched from this facility - and I am quite convinced that that, at least in part, was the purpose of this structure.

The second image nicely shows that these are load-bearing structures, designed to bear a sizeable mass. The 'clamp' type structures around the ruins also imply a need to hold in place a very large construction - an Ark, possibly? The fact that FTL travel was discovered while the Arks were in flight, yet FTL comms were developed in time to reach these Arks while on their journey, suggests to me that this ruins site is where the Guardians put one of the Arks down to rebuild it as an FTL ship. The clues we're searching for relate to both where it came from, and where it was going (and, if we find the other sites, where the other two went).
 
Was hovering around in MOBIUS last night with 2x each item in the hold and was picking up data

BUT the cmdr on the ground said he obtained LANG 11 and I got LANG 13, yet to be confirmed by further investigation as it is the first time I've seen it

Also testing the theory of some kind of rotation in the SOLO relog scans on one single obelisk/monolith (B6) with ORB and Tablet, it seems random but I had more than 20 different combinations of scan data types and it didn't loop, I did get some repeats but they seemed to be at completely random intervals,

so no new info basically. :(
 
"spreading"?

What part of "I" didn't you understand?

As many CMDRs confirmed, and after pages and pages of this thread, Ram Tah and the "current time" call them obelisks. But the data pieces talk about something called "monoliths" wich everybody is assuming are the current "obelisks". I see two possibilities here:

1. The obelisks are the monoliths and FD doesn't know that MONOliths must have a SINGLE piece (and our obelisks probably have 6 triangular pieces).
2. Obelisks and Monoliths are two completely different things and we must find a site with actual monoliths using the current ancient ruins clues.

Monoliths are the triangle shaped stones we're scanning to gather data. The obelisks are the towers that contain the relics.
 
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Imagine for a moment, each single being of this specie, being able to access the whole knowledge: each one could be everything at once: the better scientist, the better politician, the better warrior, the better everything. I'm still wondering how too much knowledge could cause the end of e specie...

Hmm, are you familiar with the internet ;)
 
The obelisks are the towers that contain the relics.

No? They are even named "Active Ancient Obelisk". Those are the ones we are scanning for Data, the triangle shapes ones, located in different groups around the Ruins.
The monoliths are the 4 pillars containing the relics.
 
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Monoliths are the triangle shaped stones we're scanning to gather data. The obelisks are the towers that contain the relics.

Ahem.
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