Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[danteuk]

One of the problems with the towers is its kinda hard to figure out what were meant to do with them....Or even what they're for in my opinion, Wouldnt be surprised at all if they turn into a part of a puzzle at all

I posted this a few hours ago:

New Theory to try and answer why the duplicates are needed.
The relics while in their pillars can be scanned, this gives you some data ( unidentified scanned archive ? ) - lets assume that these are actually unique to ALL sites ( including duplicates ).
So if you scan all the relics in their pillars, then do your round of normal scanning as per the a spreadsheet, you can shoot a relic down and use it as required.
Then fly to one of the duplicate sites - now the idea is hopefully the site will detect you have the 4 scans from first site and will reset it's self to a new configuration so you can scan to get new data.

Yesterday, re-got the mission ( after giving up and doing a cg for a bit ) I've cleared all my a,b,g,d,e data, cleared all my msgs from ram tah, and flew to the alpha site ( elmo face ) - I've scanned all four relics and collected all the normal 11 data scans from the obelisks - so tonight I'll fly to the duplicate of this site and see what happens.

Would be nice if anyone can say for certain they have done this recently and got no results. ( I'm sure if someone did this and it worked we would have heard about it by now )

 

[irtuk]

Something has been bothering me over lunch.

The Data Packets we get as bonus crap when we scan an obelisk are allegedly random, and the Ram Tah decoded data is consistent but ... is the decoded data not the direct output of the inbound data packets? Isn't that what Ram Tah's virus, sorry, software is doing? taking those Alpha, Beta etc types of data and decoding them?

The decoded data itself refers to "This ALPHA type biology data says X" .. "This BETA type culture data says Y" ...

We get two data packets per scan, we use two objects per scan, are the objects linked to a data type, we know that the obelisks in certain areas are activated by the presence of their "primary" object ...

I am sure I am not the first to state this but .... what's going on here that we are missing?

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fly to Meene and see if they still glow when you stuff them up Ram Tah's codex.

+1 rep sir.

 

[Dibble]

Hello
I retook the mission a few times to redo the first ruins in different orders.
I got all the scans but the reward said 13 million, what I got credited was 9 million.

Now any missions taken only pay 2/3 of what they should do when completed and any bounties earned
by blowing up npcs that have interdicted me only pay 2/3 of what it says on the screen.
Eg 718,966CR for delivering Survival Equipment. Got paid 450,041 even though it said on screen rewards 718,966

I have tried. buying another ship then self distructing it. retaking the ruins mission again. redocking and abandoning it.

Has any of you encountered this bug?
any help appreciated. Thanks

 

[BL1P]

Hello
I retook the mission a few times to redo the first ruins in different orders.
I got all the scans but the reward said 13 million, what I got credited was 9 million.

Now any missions taken only pay 2/3 of what they should do when completed and any bounties earned
by blowing up npcs that have interdicted me only pay 2/3 of what it says on the screen.
Eg 718,966CR for delivering Survival Equipment. Got paid 450,041 even though it said on screen rewards 718,966

I have tried. buying another ship then self distructing it. retaking the ruins mission again. redocking and abandoning it.

Has any of you encountered this bug?
any help appreciated. Thanks

Do you have a crew member who takes a large % ?
Not sure if that how it works just wondering though.

 

[CMDR T3RO I KTULU]

The Casket of woe
The Urn of despair
The Tablet of confusion
The Orb of pain
The Totem of frustration
and
The Relic of unfortunate destiny

I approve ! +1

 

[QorbeQ]

Now any missions taken only pay 2/3 of what they should do when completed and any bounties earned
by blowing up npcs that have interdicted me only pay 2/3 of what it says on the screen.

You didn't get a loan for a rebuy did you?

 

[TFW Primus]

One of the problems with the towers is its kinda hard to figure out what were meant to do with them....Or even what they're for in my opinion, Wouldnt be surprised at all if they turn into a part of a puzzle at all

I can't help but think they are some kind of laser prism system and something will trigger them to interact with each other. Like this:

Spoiler

 

[CMDR_Mogriax]

ok il shed a known fact and we can go from there. There is no ruins number 1 or number 2 there are two different ruin types A and B . For instance you can go to meene collect a new mission and head straight to ic 2391 sector gw-v b2-4 p1 and collect the same ruins data obelisks as if you were at the one in synuefe xo-p or syneufe xr-h these 3 ruins are identical in some ways, yes different planets but all 3 can give the exact same data set. Why?

 

[GndAdmiralThrawn]

On this picture you can see the 7 tokens (2 of them are in there twice, since the string length is 9 tokens + end block) along with one variation of the very end block.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/e0ZauME.png

Yeah Ive done my own analysis of the sound as well and found a signal in the larger blocks (you can see the two red dots in what you call the zero packets). Putting those dots to frequence 440Hz they stand out and sound like pulses. Not sure what that could imply, but let's talk on discord PM me a server and I'll get on around 2000 GMT-5

 

[QorbeQ]

I think someone asked for Images of the Tablet.

http://imgur.com/a/qKKRS

Ya know, that really reminds me of something on the sites... maybe the gaps in the support structure things...

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

This is just a refresh of what MB has said

Anyone who completes it - it's not an easy task though!

Michael

Whatever we need to do is "... not an easy task ...". Hope that's referring to the set combinations of objects per obelisks and not combinations of obelisks. 15! is a big number of scan combinations.

The behaviour for solo sounds correct, but the open situation sounds like it's revealing more than it should. We'll look into it, but I don't think you're missing anything that should be able to access.

Michael

No - open is showing more than it should. You can still get the scans elsewhere.

Michael

These two statements make it seem like the 'extra' scans seen in open were suppose to be at the other sites, not unlocked. As in they programmed beta site to have 36 data scans, but only 15 active obelisks at a time. Each different beta site has a different configuration of 15 active obelisks. So going to another site -should- show at least 1 different active obelisks requiring a hard adventure of exploration to find all the extra beta sites to get the total 36 data scans. 3 sites, one gives 13, another 12, and the final 11. The bug we are seeing in open is probably not linked to an 'activate hidden obelisk' mechanic but instead a player's arrival into the instance is accidentally flipping a site state and making the whole site act like another site or combinations of sites. It seems like the copy paste sites suffer the same bug because copy paste. Each one is programmed with the total 36 data points, but are initialized with the same state. And instead of changing like they're suppose to, they're stuck at the same 15 in solo. I like the idea of your total data affecting a different site, forcing you to venture to three distinct sites to get them all, but I don't think its working.

Just a depressing speculation. I had experienced extra obelisks on beta 1 in an open instance no one was at yet. Some people showed up after a few minutes, but i popped into an empty site in my srv next to a non standard obelisk that was active. I had 7 or 6 Data scanned at the time. No one was there to happen upon an unlock mechanic. Except me. And I did not keep track of which i had unlocked. I mention this in case data combinations are important, may only need 6 or 7 instead of all 13. Which lowers the possible combinations considerably.

The good news (bad news) is there's an extremely high chance of 4 more sites to find. One more alpha site and 3 gamma sites. I assume we'll call them gamma. And all of space to find them in.

Advise people to keep an eye out on this ticket: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...unique-codex?p=5123671&viewfull=1#post5123671

 

[Madcowz]

I'm confused and would appreciate some help/clarification. I know this lack of understanding is down to my pea-sized brain but I can't work it out.

I'm looking at the Confirmed Ancient Ruins Data Sheet, Tab: Beta Ruins (first ruins site on SYNUEFE XR-H-D11-102 1B) and the first obelisk in the list says:

Data Obelisk Confirmed Play Mode solo/PG/Ope
Biology 7 Urn+Relic E34 yes Solo

This to me says that to scan and download the data for E34 I require an Urn + Relic.

I just can't find E34.

I'm using these Beta ruins site screenshots and cluster E only contains 8 obelisks

.

Also, the screenshot of E also shows:

1 Orb + Tablet
3 Orb + Casket
6 Orb + Tablet

Whereas in the spreadsheet E3 doesn't exist as an entry.

Also, on the spreadsheet, the link title E group close-up (Credit: CMDR Allocator) opens up a screenshot of cluster H.

Where am I going wrong?

many thanks and sorry for the idiot questions.

Heds

 

[CMDRDethalis]

Has anyone found any differences among the sites that look the same yet? It occurred to me that Ram Tah speaks about different obelisk configurations at different sites - which sounds exactly like the difference between pre-patch and post-patch first ruins site. What if the change of obelisk layout was not intended but a bug that was introduced at some point, mixing data pointers and making several sites look exactly the same while they should have been variants with common terrain layout but different obelisk placement?

If that were the case everything would make sense - FDev actually made several versions of each site, 2 of which we have seen. And Ram Tah would be correct in saying that the ruins look the same at first sight but there are differences if you look closer.

It would still be strange that no one at FDev would notice but from some of the QA posts it is obvious that they don't follow this thread. So it's possible they believe the outrage about copy-paste job is only caused by people not looking closely, as the ruins were indeed supposed to look very similar. And the ruins were correct at some point in the past (2.2 release) and only got broken recently (about a month ago with 2.2.03).

It could be that FDev is unaware that the layouts are exactly the same and that they intended them to have two variants of both layouts... So either its bugged and the the variant layouts are not being generated... or we just have not found them... I am leaning toward FDev messing it up...

 

[nrage]

I'm confused and would appreciate some help/clarification. I know this lack of understanding is down to my pea-sized brain but I can't work it out.

I'm looking at the Confirmed Ancient Ruins Data Sheet, Tab: Beta Ruins (first ruins site on SYNUEFE XR-H-D11-102 1B) and the first obelisk in the list says:

Data Obelisk Confirmed Play Mode solo/PG/Ope
Biology 7 Urn+Relic E34 yes Solo

This to me says that to scan and download the data for E34 I require an Urn + Relic.

I just can't find E34.

It's a mistake, should be H34 I reckon.

 

[Dibble]

You didn't get a loan for a rebuy did you?

No. I had enough credits to pay for a new ship.

 

[CMDR Cylixx]

It's a mistake, should be H34 I reckon.

Madcowz it is a rule exception to the sheet, the E group is both the E triangle and H group, they are shown as different groups, but numbered E1 to E35

This was done because E1 to E8 in the triangle use the orb as their native item (H begins at 9), when urn was initially identified as a native of H group, it was assumed that all obelisks in that group would use an urn combo, when it became apparent that this was only the case for 6 of the obelisks in H - further sub categories were not made.

 

[CMDRDethalis]

something that may have been looked at but does each relic contain the same object inside them or are they different and if so do they resemble the artifacts? If they do does each of the 5 sites have different items inside the relics? (5 artifacts and 5 sites)

The reason i ask is maybe each relic if they have different items contained inside could be keys or (wild cards)

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Maybe this one : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...rivate-group?p=5119051&viewfull=1#post5119051

This could be why we don't get new data from the sites btw...

 

[Factabulous]

Madcowz it is a rule exception to the sheet, the E group is both the E triangle and H group, they are shown as different groups, but numbered E1 to E35

The spreadsheet has a link to a site image that shows E as also containing what we now call H, so it is internally consistent. You need to be careful what data sources you mix, this particular area is a source of confusion as we've changed it's labelling but hey, exploration.

 

[Madcowz]

Madcowz it is a rule exception to the sheet, the E group is both the E triangle and H group, they are shown as different groups, but numbered E1 to E35

Ah, I see, H starts at No 9.

I don't feel totally and utterly stoopit now.

Thank you.

 

[jimbeau1571]

I can't help but think they are some kind of laser prism system and something will trigger them to interact with each other. Like this:

Spoiler

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/f/f5/Prisms_Laser.png

I said they are prisms not obelisks yesterday, the relics on the beacons are focusing lenses that receive a light source, the prism network directs the light to a unknown point that then combined the light to cause fusion.
The whole site is a power generator.

Only the light source is no longer available, and some of the ground construction is buried/destroyed.

I'm running out of tinfoil.