The crincly bits show when the fog lifts but the signature is well covered in concrete, I'm afraid.
P.S. It's not his best work. Flatter and more user friendly than most.
Last edited:
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
- Thread starter Ian Phillips
- Start date
- Status
The crincly bits show when the fog lifts but the signature is well covered in concrete, I'm afraid.
P.S. It's not his best work. Flatter and more user friendly than most.
Theories of a Freighter Pilot
I'm no scientist, I'm just a freighter pilot, and while I generally give all this alien business a wide berth, I can't help but to wonder a bit, and I recently found myself poking about these dusty old ruins in search of answers. I may have found a few. We've all heard about these hyperspace interdictions by some strange alien craft. Pilots report they've been pulled out of hyperspace, scanned and left to go on about their business while the strange ships go on their way, disappearing by some unknown means, leaving equally strange wakes behind them. Plenty of folks are crying "Thargoids", but... I suspect this may not be the case.
Having researched the Ruins to the fullest of my abilities, I've learned a good number of things about the race that left these - they're being called The Guardians. We've learned they were similar to humans in many ways - right down to their self-destructive natures. Turns out these Guardians wiped themselves out in a civil war, a war they fought with bioweapons. Consider these excerpts:"[...]As well as biological warfare agents, they also created creatures expressly for use in battle, and these remained effective even into the modern era." and "[...] when it came to large-scale destructive weaponry they relied on bespoke biological weapons."
And combine that with their affinity for Artificial Intelligence, as evidenced: "[...]Although the Guardians had used computers for generations, it wasn't until the development of artificial intelligence that they truly entered an information age." and "[...] It appear the the development of AI increased their technology very quickly. This sudden increase in computational ability – a result of the new implants, allowed the AIs to adapt and eventually evolve true sentience."
And what was the nature of this war? Why nothing more than the oldest story in history: Religious Conflict. Consider: "[...] The tipping point that gave rise to organised religion amongst the Guardians doesn't appear to have been the creation of thinking machines, but other technological developments - in particular a kind of implant that interfaced with the brain. Up to this point, biological enhancement and repair had utilised only organic-based systems, so this sudden change frightened many." as well as "[...] There was an anti-technology movement that rejected not only specific developments, but also inventions such as virtual reality. The loose customs associated with their affinity for nature formed the basis for a new belief system. It evolved rapidly - almost as quickly as the technological advancements produced by the scientists and machine intelligences. It's interesting to note the parallels with human-made sentient technology, and how its development threatened humanity during the golden age of technological advancement. The growth of this new religion divided the population, and conflict soon erupted." and "[...] the Guardians' homeworld served as a powerbase for this new religious order, which eventually succeeded in ostracising or exiling all of its opponents. I can find no other reference to these exiles in the historical record. This development should have resulted in peace, but a further division arose over the fate of the AIs. At that time, the AIs were virtual entities, and so were reliant on the monolith network to exist. Because this made them vulnerable, they searched for a way to achieve independence from the network. Their research aroused the fear of the abolitionists, who used violent methods to prevent the AIs from achieving independence, and even to combat those Guardians who accepted the AIs." and finally: "[...] But during the first civil war, most implanted Guardians were exiled, and the AIs recognised their vulnerability. They responded by developing their own operational hardware, independent of implanted Guardian users. Frustratingly, the details of these mechanisms have been purged from the record, possibly by the religious extremists who formed the last of the Guardians' species."
This leads me to believe that these alien ships that have been encounters are not what has been speculated at all, but rather are relics of a long-forgotten war by a long-dead people. These craft are, in fact, the very biological weapons created by these Guardians, that were ultimately responsible for their extinction. Consider this: "[...] It appears that the Guardians approach to warfare vastly changed as the war continued. Warfare was conducted using automated battle fleets. At first these were controlled by the Guardians via brain implants, but later they became entirely autonomous."
It may be that, when these craft stop another ship and scan it that they are looking for their ancient enemies - the Guardians. Perhaps they'd react different to a craft carrying Guardian relics.
But what do I know, I'm just a freighter pilot after all. I leave the xenoscience to those better suited to it.
I'm no scientist, I'm just a freighter pilot, and while I generally give all this alien business a wide berth, I can't help but to wonder a bit, and I recently found myself poking about these dusty old ruins in search of answers. I may have found a few. We've all heard about these hyperspace interdictions by some strange alien craft. Pilots report they've been pulled out of hyperspace, scanned and left to go on about their business while the strange ships go on their way, disappearing by some unknown means, leaving equally strange wakes behind them. Plenty of folks are crying "Thargoids", but... I suspect this may not be the case.
Having researched the Ruins to the fullest of my abilities, I've learned a good number of things about the race that left these - they're being called The Guardians. We've learned they were similar to humans in many ways - right down to their self-destructive natures. Turns out these Guardians wiped themselves out in a civil war, a war they fought with bioweapons. Consider these excerpts:"[...]As well as biological warfare agents, they also created creatures expressly for use in battle, and these remained effective even into the modern era." and "[...] when it came to large-scale destructive weaponry they relied on bespoke biological weapons."
And combine that with their affinity for Artificial Intelligence, as evidenced: "[...]Although the Guardians had used computers for generations, it wasn't until the development of artificial intelligence that they truly entered an information age." and "[...] It appear the the development of AI increased their technology very quickly. This sudden increase in computational ability – a result of the new implants, allowed the AIs to adapt and eventually evolve true sentience."
And what was the nature of this war? Why nothing more than the oldest story in history: Religious Conflict. Consider: "[...] The tipping point that gave rise to organised religion amongst the Guardians doesn't appear to have been the creation of thinking machines, but other technological developments - in particular a kind of implant that interfaced with the brain. Up to this point, biological enhancement and repair had utilised only organic-based systems, so this sudden change frightened many." as well as "[...] There was an anti-technology movement that rejected not only specific developments, but also inventions such as virtual reality. The loose customs associated with their affinity for nature formed the basis for a new belief system. It evolved rapidly - almost as quickly as the technological advancements produced by the scientists and machine intelligences. It's interesting to note the parallels with human-made sentient technology, and how its development threatened humanity during the golden age of technological advancement. The growth of this new religion divided the population, and conflict soon erupted." and "[...] the Guardians' homeworld served as a powerbase for this new religious order, which eventually succeeded in ostracising or exiling all of its opponents. I can find no other reference to these exiles in the historical record. This development should have resulted in peace, but a further division arose over the fate of the AIs. At that time, the AIs were virtual entities, and so were reliant on the monolith network to exist. Because this made them vulnerable, they searched for a way to achieve independence from the network. Their research aroused the fear of the abolitionists, who used violent methods to prevent the AIs from achieving independence, and even to combat those Guardians who accepted the AIs." and finally: "[...] But during the first civil war, most implanted Guardians were exiled, and the AIs recognised their vulnerability. They responded by developing their own operational hardware, independent of implanted Guardian users. Frustratingly, the details of these mechanisms have been purged from the record, possibly by the religious extremists who formed the last of the Guardians' species."
This leads me to believe that these alien ships that have been encounters are not what has been speculated at all, but rather are relics of a long-forgotten war by a long-dead people. These craft are, in fact, the very biological weapons created by these Guardians, that were ultimately responsible for their extinction. Consider this: "[...] It appears that the Guardians approach to warfare vastly changed as the war continued. Warfare was conducted using automated battle fleets. At first these were controlled by the Guardians via brain implants, but later they became entirely autonomous."
It may be that, when these craft stop another ship and scan it that they are looking for their ancient enemies - the Guardians. Perhaps they'd react different to a craft carrying Guardian relics.
But what do I know, I'm just a freighter pilot after all. I leave the xenoscience to those better suited to it.
You may be interested in checking out this thread
-https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/322482-Carnivorous-Space-Elves-AKA-The-Guardians
I think MB was inspired by the San Jose semaphore code when creating the obelisk mystery.
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/philanthropy/sjsemaphore/pdf/decoding.pdf
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/philanthropy/sjsemaphore/pdf/decoding.pdf
Last edited:
You mean COL 70?
If it hasn't already been said, Salomé could be leaving COL 70 (She was meant to be there, I think) and heading back to the bubble. Also, remember the Meta-Alloys she and Raan Corsen stole.
Fly Safe.
CMDR PlungedSphere34.
I thought her flight pattern thus far has had her heading from k-space towards the Pleiades region - the opposite direction
Last edited:
Well the galnet report a week or so ago of an ancient cobra in distress in Col70 was probably her and Luca after using the MA they stole with Raan Corsen to make a long distance drive that could penetrate that region (or else pretending they were delivering it for Wreaken). We only have a Fed (do we believe them?) listening post report of that distress call & subsequent ship destruction. Since then she was very recently sighted & followed from HIP 19552 to HIP 19411 to HIP21484 planet 3 where she disappeared again (think this girl's part chameleon; reminds me of one of my ex's!).
So she was a bit past the Pleiades, and I think also the Guardian bubble, but not able to confirm in galmap at present (must do some gardening before I can start play); wish we had a web version- I don't at all mind the out of game tools that we have to use at times, but an out of game or web access to galmap would be the Thargoids' knees!!!
Last edited:
Last edited:
I like this one. 0.1G, that's like a decent sized moon.
Hmmm, the gravity on the moon is only 0.09G, so that pull is indeed pretty strong.
Ok that's just a lil bit scary.
Vanishing ships.. are pilots left behind if so what wants the ships?
So dead bodies that are not dead...AI?
0.1g... we talking Independence day 2 size ship
Def one of the more interesting logs so far, good find
Last edited:
Stealing ships, taking over bodies, cloaking massive objects. Could well be AI. We know they would have had ample time to evolve since the Guardians threw the out.
I better keep an eye on Halsey. She might not be just Jasmina, anymore. [alien]
Wow that's creepy! Increased gravity, something to keep an eye out for? How about the radio signal, any trace of that? They couldn't decipher the digital data pack encoded in it but surely the brains in this thread could?
- - - Updated - - -
Oh I believe Halsey is compromised - most definitely. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is up for debate. Time will tell I guess.
dynamicbob
Banned
new trinagulated beacons turning up new locations there must be a few undiscovered ones still floating around
You know, I was going to post something wondering if this professor's behaviour might have been something related to a similar take over:
https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/589db33015ac1c292f68b825
But then I reaslised on re-reading the article that he was just a Melville hunting his space whale.
A theory over the last part of the message from drew, dubbed Fibonacci’s theory
DB-IB Fi(0) T-1319 SUM(10,7,5,3)
It seems that the first 3 part are hint that point to the original game and to its algorithm for galacxy generation: http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Random_number_generator
In details:
http://theramist.co.uk/ooliteinfo/oo.php
Another possibility would be to change the seed with some of the data given by Drew.
DB-IB Fi(0) T-1319 SUM(10,7,5,3)
It seems that the first 3 part are hint that point to the original game and to its algorithm for galacxy generation: http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Random_number_generator
In details:
- DB-IB: Indicates that we must use the David Braben - Ian Bell algorithm
- Fi(0): Fibonacci’s sequence, first element is 0. The galactic generation algorithm bases its random, but repeatable, number generation on a truncated Fibonacci’s sequence modulo 2^16.
- T-1319: 3303 - 1319 = 1984, another hint at looking at the original game, that’s the year it was first released. We also know from a tweet that “using the old manual is not a bad idea” thanks to Ashley https://twitter.com/drewwagar/status/849320015102971905
- SUM(10,7,5,3): 25, but why chunking it like this? EDIT: as noted by CMDR Nilk, initial seed w2 for galaxy #1 is 0xb753 which is very close to 10,7,5,3, (0xa753). It could be a typo, in perfect FDev style, or on purpose
Getting the di-grams from the original string used to generate names using 10,7,5,3 as indexes leads to: ARSOCEGE which is not in game.
Another interesting theory on this is that SUM stands for Software User Manual, and the numbers are some form of book cipher, e.g, page 10, row 7, word 5, letter 3.
http://theramist.co.uk/ooliteinfo/oo.php
Another possibility would be to change the seed with some of the data given by Drew.
Last edited:
FYI: Some clarification from Drew:
hmm greek again... well there is the Myth of Er a bloke that dies in battle only to come back to life 9 days later and told of a place that had many paths and there were judges who decided which path each soul should follow depending on the life they had led on Earth.
About the only path o souls i can think of or find.
Interesting that he came back what with the odd logs about mysterious bodies turning up and coming to life.
About the only path o souls i can think of or find.
Interesting that he came back what with the odd logs about mysterious bodies turning up and coming to life.
Last edited:
- Status