Am I being a cheap penny pinching miser taking a 7B Fuel scoop and not a 7A Fuel scoop on Distant Worlds?

[Cdr Voorheez]

Am I being a cheap penny pinching miser taking a 7B Fuel scoop and not a 7A Fuel scoop on Distant Worlds?

Apologies if this has already been debated.

7B tested and does a gorgeous job for many millions of credits cheaper. Am I missing something here? is the 7A scoop really worth it? I can afford it, price isn't an issue here its the pure wanton spend issue. (I'm a Northerner so I'm naturally tight )

Is the 7A worth it? am I being tight fisted? What's the thing with 7A versus 7B I am missing?

 

[Arnoldo]

Apologies if this has already been debated.

7B tested and does a gorgeous job for many millions of credits cheaper. Am I missing something here? is the 7A scoop really worth it? I can afford it, price isn't an issue here its the pure wanton spend issue. (I'm a Northerner so I'm naturally tight )

Is the 7A worth it? am I being tight fisted? What's the thing with 7A versus 7B I am missing?

'Appen as you are lad; spend t'money and get thee into t'black smartish like.....

 

[dognosh]

7A has no place in ED exploration. The only time you need to speed your scooping by 5% for millions (or whatever it is) is buckyball race or smuggling.

 

[D3vNu11]

I'm not a hardcore player, then i can't afford a 7A fuel scoop (for what?!).

Indeed i spent almost of my creds fitting a Conda for CG bounties based ... and i had no money for a serious ASP

 

[Darth Krayt]

I've only tried a 7A on a Corvette during beta. 12xx units scooping is impressive but you really have to run up the heat to get it scooping at max rate. Don't know how it would work with a 'Conda.

 

[puca]

I don't understand the question. If you can afford the 7A scoop, and can sell it back for 100% money after the expedition is over, run don't walk to the store! Think of how many weeks you will be out there, how much time you will save.

 

[Stupid_hippy]

A class for me. It means being able to fill my tank at every star without slowing down at all. It might not be much, but 5 or 10 seconds times 2500 odd jumps each way adds up to a fair bit.

 

[Andrew Gaspurr]

I had a 3A i ny Asp on ny former trip and upgraded to 5A now. The difference is just striking. Thought of going 6B or 6A but it's reserved for the vehicle bay.

 

[newman1702]

Taking the Asp instead would make sure you don't need to risk such pricy equipment

 

[Cdr Voorheez]

I don't understand the question. If you can afford the 7A scoop, and can sell it back for 100% money after the expedition is over, run don't walk to the store! Think of how many weeks you will be out there, how much time you will save.

Ill elaborate, apologies:

7A and 7B are virtually the same performance wise.
7A and 7B have an (approx) 50 million credits price tag difference.

What's the justification for those 50 mil credits? Am I over thinking this?

I completely agree with you modules can be resold and money recouped its just a simple matter of why is the 7A 77mil credits?

 

[newman1702]

Because prices go up exponentially. Wait till you check the 8A...

I used to think the same during my first Asp trip. I thought the price of the 6A is insane, and mounted a B, and was happy with it. I told myself, this is fast enough, I wouldn't even see the difference. See, the human brain has this need to justify having a cheaper piece of kit. But then the time came for the second trip, and I had a lot more money at my disposal. I figured, since I can resell the equipment without taking a loss, why not put all my justifications to the test? So in the name of science, I mounted a 6A and was even happier with it. Was it a night and day difference? Not really, it was noticeable but nothing too major. Then I got to a situation when my tank went through a significant drain and I needed to fill it up all the way to the top. Now that was quite a difference. Bottom line? I never took that 6A off the Asp. These days I'm flying an exploration 'conda, happily mounting a 7A. Why not? I can afford it, and I can always resell it at the same price I bought it for. With that system in place there is virtually no reason to not mount the best scoop you can afford.

The only reason I'd see taking a 7B as an option was testing landings on extremely high gravity environments - though, to be honest, I landed on that 9.7g world yesterday with my 5D thruster conda and still had my 7A scoop on, because I couldn't be bothered to replace it

Anyway, I respect dognosh's opinion, and also entirely disagree with it in this instance; especially since I've been there, thought those same thoughts, and came to realize that you mount a B simply if you can't afford the A. To be clear, this is from someone who does explore, I don't buckyball (I do skip some frozen balls if ice orbiting M class dwarfs - you see one, you've seen 300 billion..) I'd never empty my bank balance to the point of not having enough for a rebuy in order to get the A - but otherwise, the explorer's golden rule applies; best scoop you can afford in the largest internal you have. Hope that helps

 

[SMcA]

Ill elaborate, apologies:

7A and 7B are virtually the same performance wise.
7A and 7B have an (approx) 50 million credits price tag difference.

What's the justification for those 50 mil credits? Am I over thinking this?

I completely agree with you modules can be resold and money recouped its just a simple matter of why is the 7A 77mil credits?

You could go on a couple of longish trips and see what you think and report back.
It is an interesting question.
I generally use A rated Fuel scoops to be able to skim the stars when I have a lot of jumps to get somewhere.
But if you are out in the black then you are scanning the main star and speed is not an issue. I generally pick a lower class to save power but keep the A rating as it supposedly has better resistance to damage.

 

[Cdr Voorheez]

Thank you for your replies.

 

[CMDR AKIRA MASAKARI]

If you have the money get 7A, they are well spent. On 7000 jumps and 180,000LY route there's a very noticeble difference.
If you don't have the money don't bother to grind, 7B will do its job, but it's a slower job.

 

[robinjb]

if you can scoop a full tank in the jump cooldown then that's enough. if you cant it isn't

 

[dognosh]

Because prices go up exponentially. Wait till you check the 8A...

I used to think the same during my first Asp trip. I thought the price of the 6A is insane, and mounted a B, and was happy with it. I told myself, this is fast enough, I wouldn't even see the difference. See, the human brain has this need to justify having a cheaper piece of kit. But then the time came for the second trip, and I had a lot more money at my disposal. I figured, since I can resell the equipment without taking a loss, why not put all my justifications to the test? So in the name of science, I mounted a 6A and was even happier with it. Was it a night and day difference? Not really, it was noticeable but nothing too major. Then I got to a situation when my tank went through a significant drain and I needed to fill it up all the way to the top. Now that was quite a difference. Bottom line? I never took that 6A off the Asp. These days I'm flying an exploration 'conda, happily mounting a 7A. Why not? I can afford it, and I can always resell it at the same price I bought it for. With that system in place there is virtually no reason to not mount the best scoop you can afford.

The only reason I'd see taking a 7B as an option was testing landings on extremely high gravity environments - though, to be honest, I landed on that 9.7g world yesterday with my 5D thruster conda and still had my 7A scoop on, because I couldn't be bothered to replace it

Anyway, I respect dognosh's opinion, and also entirely disagree with it in this instance; especially since I've been there, thought those same thoughts, and came to realize that you mount a B simply if you can't afford the A. To be clear, this is from someone who does explore, I don't buckyball (I do skip some frozen balls if ice orbiting M class dwarfs - you see one, you've seen 300 billion..) I'd never empty my bank balance to the point of not having enough for a rebuy in order to get the A - but otherwise, the explorer's golden rule applies; best scoop you can afford in the largest internal you have. Hope that helps

Absolutely go for it , my 7A and 7B experiments were over short distances. I defer to your experience on this

 

[Pilot Mark]

7A - no question. If you are going to take something with you, you may as well take the best (if not the lightest). It isn't as if your money is earning interest staying put is it.

Some may (reasonably) argue that the wear and tear costs are higher.

I once turned back 2kly out on an exploration expedition because I had packed a 7B instead of a 7A and noticed the difference.

 

[Jon flint]

7B is fine. 7A is better.

If I remember correctly 7A scoops at a rate of around 1250 and 7B at 1068.

7A will also spool up to its max scoop rate faster and run cooler while scooping. But 91mil is crazy expensive!! I run with a 7B and it does the job just fine. I'm currently 15k Ly from sol and so fat haven't had to stop to scoop once.

 

[bitstorm]

It's not a 5% increase it's like 17% increase. 1068kg/s => 1245kg/s

If you have the money then yeah go for it you can sell it back after use for 100% of the cost.

Maybe by going for the 7B you could juggle things so you need a slightly smaller power plant and therefore get better jump range, and if you can do that yeah it might be worth considering a 7B. But in all honesty I don't think that's possible due to the way the powerplant capacities pan out so I'm saying 7A.

 

[Cdr Voorheez]

I've gone 7A, definitely feeling the difference.