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It always does when people are either incapable of defending their arguments or are too lazy to contemplate. Happens.

So, with all respect, what would you like to see happen with regard to:

Lol trust me, I done it so many times it's not even funny(though I try not to after it got announced being an exploit [Wiggle around/turn and burn]), which is why I say FD's words on what is an exploit and what is not have no weight whatsoever.

FD, when you stipulate laws with no intention to reinforce them, they aren't laws and no one will respect them.

Simple punishment and reward, set up hard in-game mechanics to prevent undesired actions, or seriously punish people for offenses.

Specifically - what laws have FD stipulated? What constitutes an exploit or an undesired action - and where is such publically stated? How are they defined? What punishments and rewards would you like to see?

Now player groups saying that Player X has done something to annoy them (wether valid in-game or not), how can that be balanced by player group Y exploiting an undesired action upon player X in the first place? Unless FD come up with some all-encompassing and legally binding code of player ethics - I don't see how this can be resolved - especially as that nullifies any "play it your own way" statement they have issued in the past.
 
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It always does when people are either incapable of defending their arguments or are too lazy to contemplate. Happens.


Maybe I should have used some emoticons. I was/am teasing you, trying to get you to chuckle or react. I got mere reaction. You aren't all that much fun after all.
 
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High waking after your ten second cool down is not an exploit. It does make it very hard to kill anyone with shields and clue, if they submit, but it's both clearly intended and perfectly plausible within the game's context.

Is it a good mechanism? Debatable.

Would I change how this mechanism works, if it were my call? Yes.

Do I think it's in any way on the level of forcing a disconnection or abusing the old SC shield restore oversight? No way.

It's a legitimate part of the game and I've adapted to it.
 
Specifically - what laws have FD stipulated? What constitutes an exploit or an undesired action - and where is such publically stated? How are they defined? What punishments and rewards would you like to see?

I think Yaffle was just in here, so I'll be careful about not turning this into an Open/Solo discussion. Plus my thought can be found on the first page of the Mk III open/solo/private mode debate mega-thread of doom. (I am in the Open supporter camp btw, if that isn't obvious enough)

As for the former parts of the question:

"Don't combat log!"

People proceed to combat log and most do not ever get shadow banned, and there is no permanent shadow banning.

"Don't hack!"

Hacker gets caught on film by multiple player groups, two stern warnings resulted from FD after the said hacker openly admits to hacking on Twitch.

"Don't exploit!"

Submit and hop, two instance of the game running at the same time for infinite shield/instant station trading (No FD, you didn't fix the problem with 1.3, you fixed one of the ways to do it, yes, but not the exploit itself). Combat logging everyday... (even the direct plug pulling one)

FD has to make up its mind and reason with the community about what is desirable in a game. It doesn't, even with its own claim of exploits and undesirable actions, it fails to reinforce on discouraging said actions. (Yes p2p makes it hard to deal with, but implementing mechanics to accommodate flaws should be a natural thing for FD to do)

I agree with you that submit hopping shouldn't be an exploit, when one gets interdicted by a wing of four, one is expected to use the method in question to escape, otherwise it is either certain death or combat log.

Another major issue is the "list" you are looking for is actually in fragments scattered across the forum, I still cannot wrap my head around why they do not compile it and sticky it.
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Maybe I should have used some emoticons. I was/am teasing you, trying to get you to chuckle or react. I got mere reaction. You aren't all that much after all.

Great, sorry to disappoint you that I do not feel compelled to react to your liking.

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High waking after your ten second cool down is not an exploit. It does make it very hard to kill anyone with shields and clue, if they submit, but it's both clearly intended and perfectly plausible within the game's context.

Is it a good mechanism? Debatable.

Would I change how this mechanism works, if it were my call? Yes.

Do I think it's in any way on the level of forcing a disconnection or abusing the old SC shield restore oversight? No way.

It's a legitimate part of the game and I've adapted to it.

I hope you're accurate, because I don't like how FD calls submit hopping an exploit, either. Perhaps they meant low wake only, which I hope is the case.

I remember reading from them right before 1.3 came out that they made the stance.
 
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FD has to make up its mind and reason with the community about what is desirable in a game. It doesn't, even with its own claim of exploits and undesirable actions, it fails to reinforce on discouraging said actions.

I agree, but ability to cheat is still no excuse to.
 
I agree, but ability to cheat is still no excuse to.

Definitely, despite rules and regulations were created to suppress human nature, their alternative purpose is to nurture a culture that have an inherent sense of morality. This morality doesn't have the attribute of absolutes, but is something to be respected nevertheless for that it was created out of the consideration of a gregarious species.
 
I agree, but ability to cheat is still no excuse to.

Exactly. Cheaters - and I mean specifically cheaters - should be smacked up by FD. Those who employ skill and guile are not cheating. Is someone who plays well at escaping interdictions cheating? Or is the player who has infinite shields and boost cheated out of shooting up targets for the lulz?

I'm all for open play. I'm completely against cheating. When people complain about "fix this nerf that" I simply try to show the impossibility of their vision by pointing out how anyone with a functioning reading comprehension module can make that not work. Is that exploiting? Is that cheating? Or is it private property you have no business being in?

It's a very complex situation - and try as they might, FD simply cannot fix this to everyone's satisfaction. All they can offer is a game they feel will suit individuals players needs and wants, and hopefully players will enjoy their experiences and continue to play the game.
 
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No worries, I was just expecting too much from you (insert emoticon here).
Sorry to fail your standardization test, when's the next one? Did you publish a book on it yet? Is it used for college entrance by any chance?

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Exactly. Cheaters - and I mean specifically cheaters - should be smacked up by FD. Those who employ skill and guile are not cheating.

That sentiment is shared, it's just that it frustrates the "legitimate" players when they see blatant cheaters go unpunished. (perfectly aware that there will be cheaters not caught, but when they run around and parade openly, it's not a pretty sight to behold)
 
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Against aal odds :D

That phrase immediately conjures up images of cheesy 80s songs and poodle perms.;) Not that I have enough hair for that these days, but that's another story. For me, it's one of the most enjoyable things I've found to do in the game, there is no down-side.
 
That sentiment is shared, it's just that it frustrates the "legitimate" players when they see blatant cheaters go unpunished. (perfectly aware that there will be cheaters not caught, but when they run around and parade openly, it's not a pretty sight to behold)

Indeed - FD should ban cheaters, as simple as that. The problem is - that unhappy people reporting players, and submitting video evidence that appears to support their accusations - doesn't mean anything - as the exact same event recorder by another player can look completely different. The only actual proof lies in FD's server's logs - and I doubt we'll ever see those.
 
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