An Argument in Defense of Artificial Gravity

Fighter pilots already use their pressure suits to negate the effects of G. That techs just moved on alot in 1000 years.

I addressed that a minute ago, but your helmet isn't high pressure. Assuming you wear one at all, which most pilots don't seem to do. Then againm, maybe that's why all I see is a decapitated body in my seat when I look around in VR.

Also, as far as tech advancing in the next 1000 years, I mean... we don't even have rear view mirrors anymore, or computers than can autoland without taking up 1 ton of space.

Oh please OP, where are all robots controlled by Thargoids and you know it.

Robots or holograms, yes. Thargoid simulations.
 
Quantum displacement fields,in the future we learned how to manipulate atoms,shrouding them in alternate universes to protect us from dangerous G's.
Either that or space monkeys.

In a sense, this is why we don't die when using the FSD. It's folding space (more or less). But since we have upgradable thrusters (and somehow, maximum velocities), that doesn't work "as written" in the game.

Plus, again, there are other side effects. The g-accelleration ones are definitely the most dangerous, though.

Space monkeys, though? Yes.
 
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if you have the latter then having a gravitational field acting as artificial gravity on our ships is a no brainer.

Except it isn't ;)

Artificial Gravity is an easy thing to say, less easy to implement (in the star trek way without rotation). Gravity plating is clearly not a thing in the ED universe because if it were our space stations would look very different, so if possible (and as we all agree accelerative g-forces push the bounds of credibility) we need to find a plausable solution which allows for those g-forces to be reduced to survivable levels without gravity plating on the floors compensating for inertial changes.

Current technology allows for such a device, it's a shock absorber, or damper if you prefer. It takes a shock load & spreads it over time to reduce the peak load transfer, exactly as the OP describes in the egg rocket experiment.

In my original reply in this post I mentioned frameshift technology. That, when in supercruise, answers this question because the ship isn't moving, space is. So I suggest a similar concept could potentially be included in the life support system to help the pilot survive what would otherwise be a 'kleenex moment' :D
 
Genetic engineering might work, but we're talking skin of steel. You can hit 80g pretty easily in a boost. Also, it doesn't help the cargo in your hold any, unless the fruits and vegetables are also genetically engineered.

I'm really not sure what we do in boost, but straight line acceleration probably isn't so much the issue. Boost turns could be bad, but humans have survived some fairly insane g briefly.

Fruit... I guess we don't ship too many bananas, and most of the mass is really packaging!
 
Going through the pages of this thread, I'm not getting this impression anymore.

Not much of a "defense" if I don't insist that my premise is accurate. Which I believe it is.

I just don't care what the game says, and at the end of the day, this does not ruin my enjoyment of anything. I'm not bothered by other opinions or beliefs in here. It's all good.

I'm really not sure what we do in boost, but straight line acceleration probably isn't so much the issue. Boost turns could be bad, but humans have survived some fairly insane g briefly.

Fruit... I guess we don't ship too many bananas, and most of the mass is really packaging!

46.2g is the most a human has ever experienced and survived, and he only did that once. Repeated instances, and instances where it would be higher (like going from reverse to max boost speed) would be unpleasant. And deadly. And then, yeah, make a turn....

I guess at least the biowaste will be completely liquid by the time it arrives!
 
Unless genetic engineering makes us look like Colossus and similarly makes all of our innards out of steel, it really doesn't.

There is no artificial gravity and no inertial dampeners, that is definite, official, lore. The use of very advanced genetic magic engineering is all that's left to allow humanity to colonize the wide range of world it has.
There's nothing particularly outrageous about that notion, if you accept faster than light travel surely you can accept this other aspect of the lore.
 
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For me, there is one major pro for artificial gravity and inertial dampening in ED :

It is going make space legs heck of a lot easier to implement.

True. Though for my vote, I hope elite-feet do obey local gravity, meaning micro-gravity in normal space / under no acceleration. The differences between flight and SRV performance in different gravities already demo for me, that 'no artifical gravity' = much more interesting. No idea which way it'll go but I personally hope it will be floaty floaty.
 
46.2g is the most a human has ever experienced and survived, and he only did that once. Repeated instances, and instances where it would be higher (like going from reverse to max boost speed) would be unpleasant. And deadly. And then, yeah, make a turn....

I guess at least the biowaste will be completely liquid by the time it arrives!

I seem to recall the record is possibly in three figures and held by one of my personal heroes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kittinger

Albeit by nearly fatal accident. Incredible guy.
 
There is no artificial gravity and no inertial dampeners, that is definite, official, lore. The use of very advanced genetic magic engineering is all that's left to allow humanity to colonize the wide range of world it has.
There's nothing particularly outrageous about that notion, if you accept faster than light travel surely you can accept this other aspect of the lore.

Well my whole premise is that I'm being choosey with the lore anyway. :)

Botox has had a 1000 odd years to come along as well. Didn't you wonder why the expressions are so wooden.

I put that down to the erectile dysfunction.

I seem to recall the record is possibly in three figures and held by one of my personal heroes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kittinger

Albeit by nearly fatal accident. Incredible guy.

Nice! But as officially recorded, anyway, it's 46.2g.
 
Something I thought about last night: passengers

I kept mentioning fruits and vegetables, but we also carry people. And some of them are sensitive, whiny jerks who don't even like it when I accidentally scrap the paint on the mailslot. I'm pretty sure they're not okay with being compressed into goo.
 
NOTE: This is not a super serious thread. I know this is a game, and none of this matters at all whatsoever. It was just a fun thing for me to write up.


In the lore of Elite: Dangerous, artificial gravity does not exist. There is some centripetal or centrifugal force in space stations, which is how the trucks can drive on the roads, and probably how you can get a drink at the bar. There is, however, no super-science device or any other handwaivey technobabble what-have-you, and there is no artificial gravity of any kind on our space ships. The stories all talk about magnetic boots and a Zero G atmosphere. So I say again, as written, the lore states firmly that there is no artificial gravity in Elite.

And because of that, we should all be DEAD.

Certainly, we'd be terribly miserable (but then, that may explain the sourpuss holo-me faces).

Here are some reason why I have chosen to ignore the lore that there is no artificial gravity in the Elite universe:

1. The g-forces experienced in a boost are enough to crush a human body.

You can do the math. You can go from 0 to 850 m/s in a matter of seconds. You would be paste. And that's in a straightaway boost! Think about doing it while rotating to get a better shot on that Federal cop who just interdicted you! You could be going in reverse, and boost forward to 800 in a speed ship in the same time. Then you could be spread across a lightly-toasted piece of bread.

2. Better hope everything is strapped down.

You're magnetically connected to your pilot seat, but what about that pen you lost during your pre-flight check? What if that Braben bobblehead breaks as you hit boost, sending his head flying through your own at high velocity?

3. Everything would just be disgusting.

Without gravity, your sweat just pools. Maybe you fling it off every once in a while, but now it's a floating ball of salty sweat, moving around the cockpit until you boost and then it splashes you in the face. At high velocity! Like drinking sweat from a firehouse.

4. Erectile Dysfunction

This one probably doesn't matter too much, but it is true that, in space, it is difficult to get and maintain an erection. Women also have trouble getting aroused. This is because the way the body has developed with respect to blood flow, heart pumping, &c. Low gravity reduces libido, though, so maybe this doesn't matter too much. Yet another explanation for the sourpuss holo-me faces.

Probably shouldn't be having sex in zero g anyway, because of number 3 above, though.

5. Medical Problems

Of course, the bloodflow issues relate to other problems you will experience in long-term zero g as well. That can be countered in some ways with special suits and exercise, but it's still a problem. If you're a long hauler or explorer, you should be concerned. Of course, since you're already dead the moment you hit boost lined up with the mail slot, I guess it doesn't matter.

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So what's the solution!?

Well, the lore is pretty clear on this one, so there isn't an actual solution unless FDev wants to invalidate decades of lore and stories. For me, I don't take this game terribly serious anyway, and I don't read the stories and novels and whatever.

Perhaps there are things like inertial dampeners, which gets rid of the biggest problem, but that's really a form of artificial gravity anyway.

So I've chosen to just ignore that bit of lore and pretend like there is, in fact, artificial gravity! And, if you're like me and want some kind of super science technobabble explanation? It's a function of the FSD. The same tech that bends space and allows FTL travel also works to keep the ship in a bubble of fast moving space. Or something!

If it's easier for you, you can also just assume everything you do is via telepresence - just don't carry anything like fruits, vegetables, or animals in your cargo hold.

Have a look at the Espanse, that's a nice touch used in there to allow human body to sustain high G maneuver without killing the crew. Love that show
 
Something I thought about last night: passengers

I kept mentioning fruits and vegetables, but we also carry people. And some of them are sensitive, whiny jerks who don't even like it when I accidentally scrap the paint on the mailslot. I'm pretty sure they're not okay with being compressed into goo.

Yeah, I have a somewhat hidden clause when shipping stingy passengers: No magnetic field, no seat belts and the luxury bucket for your toilet emergencies. I slap the waiver in their faces before embarking without letting them read thru, blaming it on 'tight schedule'
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In the Lore and the manuals of the previous games the seats are Silastoplaston pilot's seats which have the effect of the pilot being immersed in liquid to mitigate the G forces.

From the Manual for the Eagle Long Range Fighter (Mk I)
WELCOME!

CONGRATULATIONS on buying the Eagle Long Range Fighter, clearly the
purchase of a discerning pilot!

As you will no doubt have noticed, our continual quest for excellence has
resulted in this, the culmination of the search for the most advanced
technology and ergonomic design, embodied in one ship. We are proud of the
individualistic style married with functional superiority, as we continue
the Faulcon De Lacy pedigree.

As you are obviously a cut above the common space traveller, the
understated styling of the interior will have impressed you. A dynamic
spacehound such as yourself will not have time for unnecessary frills, so
we have styled the interior with the minimum of fuss, just like the
exterior. Particularly pleasing though, are the lines of the pilot's seat
made of revolutionary Silastoplaston, a material that stays dry at all
times. It really gives the message that you are in control! It feels as
though you are immersed in water while it protects you from dangerously
high acceleration forces.


And in the novels there are instances where people using mag boots to move about a ship when it manoeuvres are gib-a-fied

Throw in the genetic engineering Pilots get and well as Performance enhancers, and other things like that, the problems have been considered even if it is handwavioum Silastoplaston that is the an
 
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It's somewhat sad to think that in the year 3303 no one could figure out a way to negate gravity using superconductors(http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38164000/gif/_38164768_anti_gravity_gra2300.gif) or some super fancy quantum field manipulation and that all the aliens except 2-3 races left the milkyway and that seemingly out of the thousand earth like worlds in the galaxy none developed its own industrial society.
But hey its a game, in which we can scan a system and can instanly get almost all the information about all its stellar body's and their composition in percentage but still need to use our naked eye to find anything alienlike on those planets.

So in the end it's just a space game that wanted to be realistic using the current public knowlege about how the universe works.



Or the short version :

[video=youtube;xzpndHtdl9A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A[/video]
 
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