This too. Unless you are willing to believe that Braben didn't steal your sneaker right in-front of your eyes even though he clearly did it's pretty damn clear they are bullting here. 3 accounts were used a not one even got a single warning.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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This too. Unless you are willing to believe that Braben didn't steal your sneaker right in-front of your eyes even though he clearly did it's pretty damn clear they are bullting here. 3 accounts were used a not one even got a single warning.
Its not about beliving zac or not its about not misrepresenting what he did say.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange..._frontiers_actions_on_combat/dacac6q/#dacac6q
Guys, could you PLEASE use your own forum and not reddit, or, at the very least, use both? Thanks.
Guys, could you PLEASE use your own forum and not reddit, or, at the very least, use both? Thanks.
Google "elite dangerous SDC cheat", should be the 6th or 7th link. You'll find much whining about accounts being deleted and about how it's now impossible to cheat undetected. Won't link because that'd result in a PM from a mod about "Please avoid naming and shaming" along with another entitled "Please avoid public disclosure of vulnerabilities"
Also remember "no true scotsman" in that the SDC claims that no true member of SDC cheats so the people in that forum are not currently considered to be members of SDC. Which is convenient since they can no longer play the game.
Also, last time I saw one of these threads, I mean here, Rinzer o7o7o7 guy went so far as to list the people he currently considers to be members of SDC, and the first person on that list was a well known combat logger. Oops.
So I assume your not happy with there responce, what did you expect. Yes we have been lying to you sorry.
The entire OP is a witch-hunt.
Evidence this, evidence that.. FDEV lying here, FDEV lying there... We used alt accounts to document this, document that, posted videos here, videos there.. wrote down our findings blah blah.
Sounds a dull as train spotting.
It's a PvE computer game. If Elite Dangerous was EVE ONLINE, then fair enough. Here it's a pointless waste of time trying to put players in the dunking chair, because in ED it doesn't matter enough.
You're asking for FDEV to do something about the flames.
Forget the flames. The flames are just a symptom of other game mechanics that are not working well.
Stop trying to push blame, and punish FDEV for not punishing innocent players forced to protect assets because of failing other ingame mechanics. Instead, campaign for FDEV to push out a brutal C&P system. Campaign for in game mechanics to take care of murderers. What's the point in a player combat logging, when the aggressor is standing to lose far more then the victim if they let their ship go pop to someone hell-bent on their death?
Plenty of ways to skin a potato... stop the witch hunt, and make a more pragmatic case to fix IN GAME mechanics such as C&P.
Until then, hyperbole like this is as productive as farting into a hurricane.
Evidence this, evidence that.. FDEV lying here, FDEV lying there... We used alt accounts to document this, document that, posted videos here, videos there.. wrote down our findings blah blah.
Sounds a dull as train spotting.
It's a PvE computer game. If Elite Dangerous was EVE ONLINE, then fair enough. Here it's a pointless waste of time trying to put players in the dunking chair, because in ED it doesn't matter enough.
You're asking for FDEV to do something about the flames.
Forget the flames. The flames are just a symptom of other game mechanics that are not working well.
Stop trying to push blame, and punish FDEV for not punishing innocent players forced to protect assets because of failing other ingame mechanics. Instead, campaign for FDEV to push out a brutal C&P system. Campaign for in game mechanics to take care of murderers. What's the point in a player combat logging, when the aggressor is standing to lose far more then the victim if they let their ship go pop to someone hell-bent on their death?
Plenty of ways to skin a potato... stop the witch hunt, and make a more pragmatic case to fix IN GAME mechanics such as C&P.
Until then, hyperbole like this is as productive as farting into a hurricane.
It's only a big deal to the shouty PvP crowd. No one else cares much because it is generally irrelevant to their game. The never-ending (and often quite threatening) threads on this logging subject speak of an agenda out of all proportion to what is a tiny part of a video game.
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No I got exactly what I expected, just not what I had hoped for.
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It's fine you can't witch hunt a group.
It does kinda sound like you're playing the wrong game. Maybe play No Mans Sky, that's PvE, I think that might have a working crime and punishment system. But if you don't want a fix for combat logging then I'm fine with no fix for failing game mechanics.
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The truth would be good. If they have done nothing wrong then say that, if they have been caught with their pants down, they man up and put it out there with a solemn promise to get it right from now on and woe-be-tide any loggers from this moment onwards.
Liars ALWAYS get found out in the end, this is their chance to categorically deny or come clean, they have chosen to do neither IMHO
indeed
- witch-hunt
* a search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed witch.
* a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
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ED just isn't a PvP oriented game. No mechanics make sense for it to be seeded as a PvP game. Hell they even have a PvP dedicated separate game. The main game is PvE with a PvP bolt-on. Literally none of the underlying mechanics / connection modes, game modes being all one etc make sense that ED IS a PvP game.
One simply cannot punish PvE players in a PvE game, because of a broken PvP mechanic. All that can be expected is that mechanics are put in place to help compliment the PvP component.
EVE Online is a PvP game to the core, and the whole thing is designed to make life as hard and harsh as it can be. Even log out timers etc are PvP focused. ED is stark contrast. I just wish there was more content to help balance things up between the two play styles.
I'm just against posts like the OP that focus on symptoms rather then root cause.
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Not on the Frontier forums. On the Frontier forums what is a witch hunt is if a lot of people gank up on a specific person. Plenty of people have gone after the SDC, that's not a witch hunt acording to the forums.
I'm loving this.
I demand a response!
*response*
Oh what a shamble!
You guys [heart]
I demand a response!
*response*
Oh what a shamble!
You guys [heart]
Before you all get ahead of your self on your moral high horses please note that, any kind of ban or what ever you call it will have zero effect on combat logging.
Besides, no business with a sane management would ever punish its customers.
And certainly not for something as benign as logging off at a morally questionable time.
Besides, no business with a sane management would ever punish its customers.
And certainly not for something as benign as logging off at a morally questionable time.
It's ok, I copy pasta'd it for you above. Apologies that FDev value the substantial unofficial ED Reddit community alongside the official ED forums.
Personally I wanted an honest response.. which I guess it is IF Ryan and his alt acounts do in-fact get punished. I would give Frontier a couple of days but right now I think it's a bunch of bull.
Thanks for posting that.
He seems to be saying "We have good rules and procedures which we dont follow"
Well done to the OP for putting the effort in. It does not matter wether we play PvP or not. If FD is prepared to misslead the player base in one area that how can we trust them on the many other areas where they say "oh, sorry that was not intended".
For me, FD have now lost the benefit of the doubt.
reading the narrative of this thread (there are many like but this one I am reading now) and it remains the same.... I am against breaking any of the TOS or EULA but why should cmdrs be attacked by wings (sometimes more than 1) be vilified for "pulling the plug" when it is a no win situation when you have a shield stripper courier then once the shields are gone the other 3 wreck your hull .... no chance of mitigating this with high waking out just only except just accept the loss and the mocking over local chat (noob git gud loser etc etc)
I think that FD should prioritise "certain things" but there seem to be a few more important "things" that require fixing as they are truly game breaking for the WHOLE community not just a minority
I would like to know what FDEV are going to do about the clear breaches of the TOS stated here in a public forum
but you know that those who shout the loudest get heard.......
I think that FD should prioritise "certain things" but there seem to be a few more important "things" that require fixing as they are truly game breaking for the WHOLE community not just a minority
I would like to know what FDEV are going to do about the clear breaches of the TOS stated here in a public forum
but you know that those who shout the loudest get heard.......
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A. wipe the poo off your face, hand him the pizzas smiling, and say: "Thank you, come again!"
or
B. grab the baseball bat from under the counter and... the rest is too graphical to explain?
Really?
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