Speak for yourself - they ruin other people's enjoyment, and eventually this poor reputation will catch up with FD. Word of mouth spreads.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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Speak for yourself - they ruin other people's enjoyment, and eventually this poor reputation will catch up with FD. Word of mouth spreads.
What if there was a group for the best-of-the-best PvPers, no noobs allowed, who all had known decent PC's, good stable connections, and promised to not log on each other
I just got disconnected again whilst in combat, quick stick in a ticket in case it's all a massive combat loggers conspiracy by the man. FD staff are queuing up to ignore it as we speak.
Sole Hunter
Banned
Not to mention those who quit because of the cheaters, frontier is losing potential loyal customers because those clowns think combat logging is not ''harming'' them.
What if there was a group for the best-of-the-best PvPers, no noobs allowed, who all had known decent PC's, good stable connections, and promised to not log on each other
Irrelevant.
It's their job to investigate, AS PER STATED in the TOS. I will gladly keep filling tickets against you if you keep combat logging until you are moved into solo where you no longer ruin others fun.
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Agreed - meaningful punishment won't necessarily stop ganking/griefing, and nor will it necessarily stop combat logging. It would be a step in the right direction though.
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So what would stop ganking/griefing? A PvP flag or separate open PvP mode would, but of course there are those who oppose those options. Either would provide a surefire way of blocking a significant motivation for combat logging though........by providing mechanisms to entirely block ganking/griefing actions in open (and solo and private achieve the same end, without the open gameworld though). And with meaningful punishment of criminals seemingly no closer I'm not sure what other options to suggest (other than maybe a proper block list/function). That said, neither would stop combat logging entirely as it would still be possible against certain NPC engagements.
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So it really is all about seal-clubbing harmless noobs and crying when they don't want to play with you
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Sole Hunter
Banned
So it really is all about seal-clubbing harmless noobs and crying when they don't want to play with you
i play in open for the interactions and pvp therefore when you cheat by ''combat logging'' you ruin my fun.
Cheating is unacceptable, no matter what silly excuse you have in your cry-me-a-river tissue box.
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I wonder how these players would feel if another CMDR, for the sake of argument let's call him "Bob," decided to run around a CG system interdicting and murdering random traders with no coms. Or, what if "Bob" decided to sit outside of a station in a sucide-winder and smack into other CMDRs trying to dock, or invade a PvE private group and kill CMDRs at will.
CMDR Bob's enjoyment "isn't hurt one bit," and it doesn't cost FD money in any way. Surely, they would all be ok with CMDR Bob's behavior. Because remember, rules only apply if the individuals enjoyment isn't hurt, and if FD takes direct monetary loss from the action.
Good for you that they don't hurt your enjoyment and you should be praised for being concerned about costs to FD; although your in depth economic analysis might be just slightly coloured by your gaming ethics.
What about players who are concerned about this issue not purchasing future expansions, or paints or anything else? What about the games reputation in the future? I guess these don't matter to you because you're ok with logging.
Let's be clear - FD have said logging was against the rules and set up a procedure to investigate incidents of logging. I'm sure they factored it in to their business plan . . . except now, we have seen it might just be nothing more than a brush under the carpet. How much does pretence and lying cost a company?
Can players who exercise and expect non cheating gameplay demand a refund?
Dammit, stop making me agree with the Silly Duck Convocation.
Sole Hunter
Banned
They're ignorant, you can't blame them for being selfish. I still have a hard time to believe what I am reading, they are literally condoning cheating and promoting it.
The best part they think they are right because frontier might lose money lol.
It's astonishing.
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According to TV's Colombo good investigation involves deciding who to ignore, people who are disproportionately upset about really minor issues are almost invariably time-wasters.
Well good for you! I think you need another hug. Here, have a hug. Getting so upset in public is frightfully unfashionable you know? Besides - it really doesn't suit your complexion.
So it really is all about seal-clubbing harmless noobs and crying when they don't want to play with you
Well, for some certain types of PvPers, that's all it's ever been about hey - the ability to have a supply of soft targets to prey on. That is, they assert that they provide increased risk and challenge for others, but seemingly don't like taking risks themselves. I fell sorry for what I consider to be genuine PvPers though as they must get tired of being tarred with the same brush as these less savoury types of PvPers.
Put it this way... I'd rather see gankers get frustrated at the moment. I do not see any benefit in them being rewarded for mindless destruction, when that reward is so toxic.
There's other things that need fixing before combat logging.
I'd fear if combat logging was penalised at the moment, it would do more harm than good TBH.
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Sole Hunter
Banned
You just basically proved my point, you'd rather combat log and break the TOS in OPEN and ruin others fun because you don't like the idea of pvp and gankers even when that said mechanic is legitimate part of the gameplay.
''I don't see any benefits in exploration because it's clearly a toxic activity therefore i will cheat''
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No, it's not that at all. There are many many problems with Elite, at the moment. Placeholder mechanics, missing features, things not working as intended.
Doing what you guys did so your issue could be solved first, was just plain childish and immature. And that is what people are mad about.
No one actually thinks that combat logging isn't an issue. It is one of many, and probably a lot lower on peoples lists.
You SDC think you run the community. News flash, you don't. You are part of a larger whole, and your needs do not need to come first all the time.
To be fair, he didn't say that he'd combat log. He could just as easily be like me - couldn't care less about how combat logging impacts on honourless gankers and griefers. Doesn't mean I condone cheating - it just means I don't really care how it affects such types of players.
Enough with this hyperbole please. It's so disingenuous. Stop pretending you give two figs about cheating.
Two biggest tells this isn't the case:
1) As a solution you and your little clan tell people to go to solo/group (derisively), so the logging isn't the issue (being denied the chance to cause some salt IS).
2) you say "cheating" and equate anyone who isn't following your eye roll worthy mantra as advocating cheating whereas everyone (just about) knows there's cheating and there's CHEATING!
CLing is the equivalent of a J walk. It's such a minor, pedestrian violation it's hardly worth discussing. It isn't a hack. menu relogging has a greater impact on the game (but not a technical "exploit"). Abusing meta like the heat from last patch had a far greater negative effect (SDC is all about creating negative effects on the community though. You guys are generally toxic Both in game and on forums). So no, not giving a crap about some minor breach like a cl is not the same as advocating cheating in the same way as not giving a crap about j walking is not the same as advocating crime.