The amount of goal post shifting that goes on in this thread about what constitutes "violence" is making my head spin.
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Slavery was as much of a "reason" for the civil war as Franz Ferdinand's assassination was the "reason" for WWI. War is never about morals. It's always about power, territory or resources (including people).
Violence in war is really a whole another matter. I always thought the men behind the planning tables to be the most violent of the bunch. Soldiers? They just try to survive another day. The emotional baggage pinned on it is a hollywood post-processing.
Physical force sufficient to avert, avoid, or prevent an assault is quite often also sufficient to injure, damage, or destroy.
Societies often threaten individuals, their kin, and/or their property.
Yes. The deciding factor, however, often isn't the outcome but the intent. If somebody forces you to hurt him, it doesn't make you violent. Unless you overdo it, of course.
I usually try to inflict injuries inconsistent with life as rapidly as possible, just to be safe.
Yes and if they do, they should expect a pushback that match their behavior.
It's hard to find violence being used as a tool for, or to oppose, social change without the honest perception of an existential threat.
I am thinking about the late 1930s Europe, could be considered. There was a perceived threat. But it wasn't real. It was 'made up' using propaganda. Germany was not under threat, after the first world war. Someone rose up and sold that perception.
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This all becomes rather subjective doesn't it?
What defines something as justified?
How about thrashing a Masochist? Would that not be an act love?
How about Sport? Queensbury Rules quite gentlemanly, but Muay Thai; simply barbaric?
Physical harm heals, but mental pain caused by reading the drivel presented in this post can become somewhat of an endurance. Forgive my silly.
What defines something as justified?
How about thrashing a Masochist? Would that not be an act love?
How about Sport? Queensbury Rules quite gentlemanly, but Muay Thai; simply barbaric?
Physical harm heals, but mental pain caused by reading the drivel presented in this post can become somewhat of an endurance. Forgive my silly.
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Buh bye, Beto!
Violence can be justified in some circumstances, politically. There are loads of politicians who deserve careers as stuffing in gym punching bags.
See, most of us live in peaceful Western Democracies. What if you lived in a slave taking ISIS situation, and you disagreed with the abduction of children for those purposes? Think there'd be room for discussion of your enlightened ideas?
If you wanted to change it, you'd best start with explosives.
We have returned ISIS guys here, who want to spread the gospel. How to deal peacefully with that?
See, most of us live in peaceful Western Democracies. What if you lived in a slave taking ISIS situation, and you disagreed with the abduction of children for those purposes? Think there'd be room for discussion of your enlightened ideas?
If you wanted to change it, you'd best start with explosives.
We have returned ISIS guys here, who want to spread the gospel. How to deal peacefully with that?
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A better question in my opinion is: "Is the use of violence ever justified to suppress free speech."
You and I both understand that, that is a myth. Free speech, I mean.
Oh please. Let's not act like just because one cannot holler "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater that somehow means we don't have free speech. The fact that there are rules in our society and consequences to our words likewise doesn't mean that we don't have free speech.You and I both understand that, that is a myth. Free speech, I mean.
Regardless; is it ever permissable to use violence to suppress another's free speech (or whatever you personally refer to it as)?
Where do you think the "violent leftist antifa" crapola is coming from?
My grandfather helped Americans in WW2, so antifascism runs in my blood. It ought to be running in everybody's blood if they have a clue about history. Just as real Americans should remember what they did last time they had a Mad King.
When the Klan and Neo Nasties and Vlad the Impaler, and Prince Mohammed bin Bone Saw are on your side, you are on. The. Wrong. Side.
"It ain't rocket surgery, Cletus." as the saying goes, people had this figured out before.
And almost all the actual violence? Guess where its coming from. The Very Fine People who murdered Heather Heyer and want to destroy her grave, the studmuffins like Cantwell and his vile ilk and the instigating neurosyphilitic upon the Pale House.
When the Klan and Neo Nasties and Vlad the Impaler, and Prince Mohammed bin Bone Saw are on your side, you are on. The. Wrong. Side.
"It ain't rocket surgery, Cletus." as the saying goes, people had this figured out before.
And almost all the actual violence? Guess where its coming from. The Very Fine People who murdered Heather Heyer and want to destroy her grave, the studmuffins like Cantwell and his vile ilk and the instigating neurosyphilitic upon the Pale House.
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Are you saying you support Antifa?
Concerning the free speech , I have always been stunned to see the preachers of hate during years, screaming their truths in the streets of London.
Nope, and that’s my point, we see groups from some of the political spectrum, who praise suppression and even violence to get to where they want society to be, at some point the pushback will match their actions.