Animal dlc that would not only satisfy most members but also make planet zoo a complete game

[NL_Mutso]

First birds and aviaries:
Personally I'd prefer bigger birds first. Certain vultures/crane birds/pelicans/eagles etc..
My own assumption: Somewhere on this forum I've read they already confirmed not including really small mammals (cant find it myself) - so small birds don't look that plausible.
With the addition of pterosaurs to JWE, there's a lot more room for discussion for this feature in PZ.

Second otters and penguins arguably the two most requested animals:
Don't think anyone will disagree with you about adding those, they are among the most requested.

Third more small exhibit animals including reptiles,amphibians,and the introduction of small mammals and nocturnal animals as well. Possibly more arachnid and insects as well:
If they add it in normal DLC packs yes. Seperate DLC for exhibit animals, not the biggest fan. I know, don't buy it, but the overall impression of players is that they don't care that much about the exhibit animals. (some love them but in their current state, a lot don't care that much)

Fourth petting zoo dlc eventually since every zoo seems to have them:
Not the biggest priority but I agree, they are present in basically every zoo.

Fifth
Pretty sure they will add more animals

We won't get whales or dolphins in Planet Zoo. It's getting tedious seeing people posting about it.

I somewhat understand this. Without going into detail - Big fish/mammal Marine DLC should be a different game. (i'd prefer a mix of features from PC/PZ)
I'd say, don't expect Marine DLC. It would require a lot of new features and really large expansion packs are mostly a thing of the past.
If it happens, it would be a nice surprise..
Like Mjannella said: Never say never but some DLC seems unlikely because Frontier has already has PC/JWE or other companies are already creating a game which focuses on having such features.

This also somewhat also applies to a lot of DLC request.. Some people are certain they are adding continent DLC, atm we don't know. Could be continent/biome/fan-favorite/species focused DLC. I'd love a one-time opportunity to vote for DLC; choose 4 animals from a 20 animal list.

 

[Kaan]

First birds and aviaries:
Personally I'd prefer bigger birds first. Certain vultures/crane birds/pelicans/eagles etc..
My own assumption: Somewhere on this forum I've read they already confirmed not including really small mammals (cant find it myself) - so small birds don't look that plausible.
With the addition of pterosaurs to JWE, there's a lot more room for discussion for this feature in PZ.

Second otters and penguins arguably the two most requested animals:
Don't think anyone will disagree with you about adding those, they are among the most requested.

Third more small exhibit animals including reptiles,amphibians,and the introduction of small mammals and nocturnal animals as well. Possibly more arachnid and insects as well:
If they add it in normal DLC packs yes. Seperate DLC for exhibit animals, not the biggest fan. I know, don't buy it, but the overall impression of players is that they don't care that much about the exhibit animals. (some love them but in their current state, a lot don't care that much)

Fourth petting zoo dlc eventually since every zoo seems to have them:
Not the biggest priority but I agree, they are present in basically every zoo.

Fifth
Pretty sure they will add more animals



I somewhat understand this. Without going into detail - Big fish/mammal Marine DLC should be a different game. (i'd prefer a mix of features from PC/PZ)
I'd say, don't expect Marine DLC. It would require a lot of new features and really large expansion packs are mostly a thing of the past.
If it happens, it would be a nice surprise..
Like Mjannella said: Never say never but some DLC seems unlikely because Frontier has already has PC/JWE or other companies are already creating a game which focuses on having such features.

This also somewhat also applies to a lot of DLC request.. Some people are certain they are adding continent DLC, atm we don't know. Could be continent/biome/fan-favorite/species focused DLC. I'd love a one-time opportunity to vote for DLC; choose 4 animals from a 20 animal list.

A separate game about sea animals would be much better. I agree with this idea. better water structure, better mechanics, more details or something... but I think it will be problematic in terms of content. but if they merge with this game, people will find a lot to do. For example, I want both orca and polar bear in my park. but this is not possible if the games are separate. In this case, it is a huge problem that both animals are in a separate game. On the other hand, if they make a separate game, it would be strange to have a polar bear in both games. so it would be absurd to make a separate game just because some people don't want dolphins or whales. this situation has a bidet monetary portion. so you understand what i mean?
I support a separate game but it gets very complicated. like some animals are in both games. For example, the polar bear is an animal that fits the water park theme.or someone else, for example, can request both a dolphin and an elephant in the zoo. so it makes more sense to come as DLC. nobody has to buy this DLC. If you don't want dolphins and whales, you won't buy DLC. there could also be a separate DLC pack that includes only dolphins and killer whale. a DLC pack with only these two animals. so there is no need to make a separate game just for the dolphin and killer whale. not economically logical. people want sea lion for Planet Zoo, but sea lion is more suitable for a separate game about sea animals. If there is going to be a separate game, we cannot see any sea animals in Planet Zoo. developers cannot decide which game to add animals to. I don't think the frontier will take care of this situation.
adding the same animals to both games... people want both land animals and aquatic animals in the zoo... The presence of a sea lion in Planet Zoo, the absence of a sea lion in the other game... people want to make both aquarium and zoo on the same map...
These are just a few of the problems that may arise.

Frankly, if I were someone who didn't want killer whales or dolphins in this game, I would never argue with people. I wouldn't ignore their wishes. I wouldn't be an obstacle. After all, in this game it is in your hands to put dolphins in your zoo or not to buy this DLC pack.

To summarize, if we look at the idea of making a separate game, the developers will not look warm.
I think it will be poor in terms of content. but aquariums can enter into zoo theme. so DLC looks better.

 

[NL_Mutso]

Oh I, understand that some people want to mix some land animals with sea animals. And some animals fit in both..
Same would apply to people who want to build a rollercoaster/other rides in PZ.
I don't see this as a problem, people just have to make choices..
Mixing those animals is a very personal opinion, and from the topics I've read basically nobody even mentioned combining those 2.

Personally I think it just won't happen at all, maybe only small exhibit aquariums and semi-aquatic animals.

Frankly, if I were someone who didn't want killer whales or dolphins in this game, I would never argue with people. I wouldn't ignore their wishes. I wouldn't be an obstacle. After all, in this game it is in your hands to put dolphins in your zoo or not to buy this DLC pack.

Comes across as a bit preachy and trying to end a discussion. Some people (not me) are against larger marine mammals in captivity, so they are against any representation in any kind of media (a Iot of people never heard or seen anything about Blackfish). Whether side you're on, (large) marine animals in captivity are a lot more controversial than most animals found in regular zoos. You can't relate to their cause, just as they can't relate with yours - an endless discussion.

Also same discussion with other DLC (exctinct/mythical/fantasy), some people prefer the devs to focus on DLC for the current game (and the current features)

To give my POV: I don't care about Marine DLC. I bought the game for the zoo part. And love to see aquariums/semi-aquatic animals etc, which you encounter in most zoos.

 

[NZFanatic]

This also somewhat also applies to a lot of DLC request.. Some people are certain they are adding continent DLC, atm we don't know. Could be continent/biome/fan-favorite/species focused DLC. I'd love a one-time opportunity to vote for DLC; choose 4 animals from a 20 animal list.

In terms of continents, I'd say it's a good bet purely because it's the easiest way to add some of the animals we are missing (especially with Australia), and because the Arctic Pack already 'set the stage' for it (the Arctic is not a continent on its own, of course, but it's at least a significant geographical region). Of course, who knows? We might get packs based on biomes, or animal family-specific packs (like for primates, or carnivores, or hoofed animals).

 

[NZFanatic]

Frankly, if I were someone who didn't want killer whales or dolphins in this game, I would never argue with people. I wouldn't ignore their wishes. I wouldn't be an obstacle. After all, in this game it is in your hands to put dolphins in your zoo or not to buy this DLC pack.

It's just as important to express that you don't want something as it is to express that you do. For those of us opposed to the very concept of including big marine animals, saying so often and with concise points is the best way to ensure we don't get them, and to ensure Frontier doesn't waste time better spent on more realistic and less controversial DLC. I'd be pretty hacked off if, for example, instead of "Endangered Primates" we got "Unicorns and Junk". If enough people say "No, we don't want this" then at the very least Frontier might think twice about putting resources into it.

Saying "don't buy it then" is just silly. Everyone can at least agree we need more zoo animals. I have yet to see anyone oppose the inclusion of the black rhinoceros or jaguar - there's a consensus on that. We need more 'regular' zoo animals, and making anything else is just a waste of everyone's time in order to please a handful of people who either don't understand or don't care about the point of the game.

 

[paul78]

Me personally I’d love to see time put into diving and underwater animations for existing and otters and penguins. If no marine content came and they invested time into those two animals and maybe seals I’d be more then happy with that. Plus more monkeys and land animals. Plus aviaries and birds as the game sorely lacks birds of all types.

 

[Kaan]

It's just as important to express that you don't want something as it is to express that you do. For those of us opposed to the very concept of including big marine animals, saying so often and with concise points is the best way to ensure we don't get them, and to ensure Frontier doesn't waste time better spent on more realistic and less controversial DLC. I'd be pretty hacked off if, for example, instead of "Endangered Primates" we got "Unicorns and Junk". If enough people say "No, we don't want this" then at the very least Frontier might think twice about putting resources into it.

Saying "don't buy it then" is just silly. Everyone can at least agree we need more zoo animals. I have yet to see anyone oppose the inclusion of the black rhinoceros or jaguar - there's a consensus on that. We need more 'regular' zoo animals, and making anything else is just a waste of everyone's time in order to please a handful of people who either don't understand or don't care about the point of the game.

I have no intention of fighting you. Regardless of your position, he always gains friendship at the end of such discussions. but I just want you to show some understanding. What is the need to make a separate game just for the dolphin or killer whale? there are a lot of people who want to see these animals in a modern game. we haven't seen these animals in modern games for years. people have demanded sea animals even before the game was released, even since the game was announced. so far I the most demanded DLC is marine animals. There's no point in dividing people. We haven't seen Frontier doing a bad job so far. they will surely find a way to add dolphins or killer whales to this game. just like polar bears.

 

[NL_Mutso]

What is the need to make a separate game just for the dolphin or killer whale?

Shark, Manta, Stingray, giant crab, walrus, jellyfish, catfish, seal, sunfish, sturgeon, sea anemone are a few..
And a ton of small species and different species of the options above.

I think fully new features for just the dolphin and orca, would be a waste of time.

 

[Tuky]

It's just as important to express that you don't want something as it is to express that you do.

Sure, you totally have the right, but just saying, maybe you should watch your own words a bit, it probaly wasnt intended, but saying (and kinda intending) everyone who wants cetaceans in the game is tedious, stupid and uneducated isnt nice either. Again, you probaly didnt mean it, but for me it comes across like that. Just as only your opinion would matter and ours is invalid anyways. And that you dont want us to even mention our opinion on that matter. But we have the right to say we want them just as much as you have the right to say you dont want them in the game.

anything else is just a waste of everyone's time in order to please a handful of people

Well, whats a waste of time for everyone is not something you can really decide for everyone, plus I am sure you are very wrong it would be just a "handful" of people. I am even sure if Frontier made a survey with "yes" "no" "dont care" which all PZ players would answer (not only those here or in any other forums, but really all who own the game) I am very confident to say most would say "yes" and "dont care", while "no" would be the minority. Of course I cant proof it, but I am still sure a DLC with dolphins/orcas would turn out to be a hit. If not the most selling DLC ever.

Sure, I do understand why people would not want them because of real life, but I am not that holy. I even think if theres a ethically and morally right way than that would be in a game - especially Planet Zoo. And lets be honest, if you asked any place that keeps dolphins/orcas/belugas... they will all tell you they are doing alot for conversation and they will tell you their orcas/dolphins are happy and healthy, evenmoreso then they would be in the wild... Whatever that is true is another question, of course, but its what they will tell you.
No matter if they suffer in real life or not, personally I have no problem to keep them captive in a game.

I guess I am selfish for wanting orcas in the game, but so are those who want to deny them to others. So I can live with that^^

But a question for the nay-sayers - lets say Planet Zoo already got DLCs with both African rhinos, jaguars, leopards, many differnt monkeys, Australian animals, European animals, American animals, foxes, seals, sea lions, otters, penguins and even aviaries with many different big and small brids, would you still be opposing them making a DLC with orcas and such? Would that really be so bad then if you had what you demeed most important? Like it would be the very last DLC for PZ, would you still feel the need to deny it for others? Sure, I guess you could still find other animals they could add instead, but they cant add all animals anyways. Or would it be just because you dont think its right in real life, no one should keep them captive in a game?

However, my other point still stands - even if people dont like it, dolphins and orcas still are "zoo-animals" just as elephants or other animals kept in zoos. Sure, rather rare nowadays (which is a good thing, honestly), but they still are in zoos.
All the orcas and dolphins I have seen in captivity were all in zoos. I have never been to a marine park at all.
Also what a "zoo-animal" is also totally depends on the country you are in honestly... like raccoons, for me they are a totally normal zoo animal. Like I think pretty much every zoo I have been to had raccoons. Meanwhile many North Americans are suprised they are even kept in zoos.
Koalas are a rather unusal zoo animals for me (never seen one, actually), while for other places they might be more common in zoos?


Anyways, in the end I know its Frontiers decision to add orcas or not, so I can only hope and plead they will do so, should they ever that will be a very happy day for me
Should they not, then that would be sad for me, means I would have to wait for a marine park/zoo game by Frontier or another company which may not ever be made or only in 5 or 10+ years... So thats also why I would rather have them in Planet Zoo...
And should they add them and people would harass them about it, then the devs should just igonre those people, its no use to work up on people who cant tell apart the game from reality so much that they would work themselves up over a game. And even if it is silly, if you really dont want them, then dont buy is the option, should they add them. Too bad for you,then. Should they not add them, then too bad for me.

I already told this before many times, but I will say it again - I have much faith in you devs that should you add orcas/dolphins to the game you will do it in a great way, that will educate people about them and also about the real-life controversy (if you want), but still will let them work in the game and make many people happy Even if that DLC would cost alot, I would take it as a "you-are-so-morally-wrong-for-wanting-orcas-in-the game-fee"

 

[NL_Mutso]

While i fully agree you should speak whether you like or dislike it (as long you're being respectful towards eachother - or try to)
It's not like every idea on this forum is a good idea.. I've seen some really bad ideas for features.
There's a different side to this:

Try doing this in a Australian DLC request topic
Comments like "I don't like animals that hop" or "don't think Frontier should focus their time on just 1 hopping animal, so I say no to kangaroos"
Imagine the backlash on that one..

I guess I am selfish for wanting orcas in the game, but so are those who want to deny them to others. So I can live with that^^

Hehe, so true. And we're all guilty of this one..

 

[paul78]

You do almost feel like your coming across as ungrateful sometimes and selfish lol. Truthfully I’m loving this game I’ve been waiting for a game like this for eight yrs. I just got some features and my own personal animals I’d like to see added like everyone else. But honestly there’s really no bad choices as far as animals go they’re all great and unique as far as what they bring to the table. I’m looking forward to the unknown and surprises we may get in future dlc. As far as others personal wants good luck to all.

 

[NZFanatic]

So far I the most demanded DLC is marine animals.

That in itself is a debatable position even without the rest - what are you basing this on? So far I've seen only two or three prominent members here expressing a true heartfelt desire for that kind of content. Most others seem to be either in the 'no' camp or the 'not as a priority' camp, as far as I can tell. It's important to remember that anecdotal evidence is not real evidence.

I wouldn't even support a separate game. I choose to believe that Frontier is better than that, and I'd praise them for taking a moral stance by excluding large marine mammals.

Sure, you totally have the right, but just saying, maybe you should watch your own words a bit, it probaly wasnt intended, but saying (and kinda intending) everyone who wants cetaceans in the game is tedious, stupid and uneducated isnt nice either. Again, you probaly didnt mean it, but for me it comes across like that. Just as only your opinion would matter and ours is invalid anyways. And that you dont want us to even mention our opinion on that matter. But we have the right to say we want them just as much as you have the right to say you dont want them in the game.

I never called any individual person 'tedious', I said the constant mention of marine animals was getting tedious. Just like all the countless threads about Frontier hatching an Australian DLC out of an egg for the sake of the bushfires is becoming tedious and repetitive. Also, I never once said anyone was stupid or undeducated, however people are displaying a total lack of understanding and an unwillingness to learn.

The ethics around keeping large marine mammals in captivity is not a black and white issue - the problem is a complete lack of actual consensus, and that's within the AZA. There are no true guidelines anymore, because research has shown that the current methods of keeping these animals can be severely detrimental to their survival. The biggest issue is around the shows, which are clearly designed to draw crowds and revenue. That is not a position that any good zoo would take.

Without a conensus, nobody can take a position in the positive or negative without personal bias, therefore taking no position at all is the only way to be ethically neutral (which is what Frontier should and probably will do).

Well, whats a waste of time for everyone is not something you can really decide for everyone, plus I am sure you are very wrong it would be just a "handful" of people. I am even sure if Frontier made a survey with "yes" "no" "dont care" which all PZ players would answer (not only those here or in any other forums, but really all who own the game) I am very confident to say most would say "yes" and "dont care", while "no" would be the minority. Of course I cant proof it, but I am still sure a DLC with dolphins/orcas would turn out to be a hit. If not the most selling DLC ever.

'Handful' is a relative term. Out of one million people, ten thousand could be a handful. Ten thousand would still create a profit for Frontier, but most of that ten thousand, and most of the other nine hundred ninety thousand, would also be fine with more realistic DLC's with actual zoo animals rather than show pieces.

Sure, I do understand why people would not want them because of real life

If that was true, then you wouldn't take this position:

No matter if they suffer in real life or not, personally I have no problem to keep them captive in a game.

This isn't just a game, though, and that's the point - it is Frontier who has claimed to have taken the moral highground on this, not me, and not whoever else opposes the idea. Frontier has made the claim that the game is focussed on conservation, education, and realism, that it is designed to educate people on the plight of endangered and threatened species. Frontier said that. Since they have said that, including orca in this game is a morally compromising position, because, and I reiterate, there is no conensus in actual zoo circles on whether it's okay to keep these animals in captivity.

However, my other point still stands - even if people dont like it, dolphins and orcas still are "zoo-animals" just as elephants or other animals kept in zoos. Sure, rather rare nowadays (which is a good thing, honestly), but they still are in zoos.
All the orcas and dolphins I have seen in captivity were all in zoos. I have never been to a marine park at all.

The only places to hold captive orca are the following:

SeaWorld (a theme park, not a zoo)
Miama Seaquarium (not a zoo)
Marineland Canada (an amusement park, not a zoo)
Marineland Antibes (in close association with SeaWorld)
Loro Parque (an amusement park, where a trainer was killed, leading to no more hands-on interaction with the orca)
Mundo Marino (whose only killer whale might have been force-stranded for capture)
SeaWorld Kamogawa (theme park, not a zoo)
Nagoya Public Aquarium (probably the only one close to a zoo, but still an aquarium)
Moskvarium and TINRO Centre (Russia, hardly a reputable source of good zoos)
Chimelong Ocean Kingdom (China, again, hardly a paragon of good zoo behaviour).

Dolphins are even more up in the air, as they are smaller. The only actual zoo I know of that keeps them is Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, which is reputable, but are beholden to standards that might not be up to snuff anymore.

Orca and dolphins are not "zoo animals" like elephants. Elephants and great apes are difficult to keep in captivity because they are highly intelligent and require constant stimulation and enrichment, but it is considerably easier to enrich land animals than it is to enrich sea mammals of comparable intelligence, and certainly much easier to avoid the kinds of mental health issues which eventually cause orca to attack their trainers (defenders will call this 'playing that went wrong', but that's ).

 

[paul78]

With all do respect to everyone on the forum and to all their dlc wishes. And to frontier. My take on this debate which at the end of the day means nothing is.... honestly do I think frontier will do orcas and dolphins and honestly no I don’t based on the realism aspect. Would I have a problem with it if they did? Absolutely not this is at the end of the day a game with all due respect to frontier. But it’s their game and I respect that. Me it personally doesn’t bother me one way or another simply because of other personal wants and needs that I put above marine dlc. Would I buy it if frontier released it? Absolutely yes it’s always fun to play with orcas and whales that’s what made zoo tycoon so great. Does it mean I think in real life zoos should have whales and dolphins heck no by no way shape or form would I support it. I know a lot of people don’t think zoos should exist but to me that’s crazy animals are running out of real estate so as long as zoos and such take great care of animals I will always support them. But that’s just my take on this type of dlc. I still think some regular zoo animals definitely need to be included and new animations,rigs,and behaviors developed as priority first just to complete the zoo side of it and after that who knows where they go from there.

 

[Tuky]

I never called any individual person 'tedious', I said the constant mention of marine animals was getting tedious. Just like all the countless threads about Frontier hatching an Australian DLC out of an egg for the sake of the bushfires is becoming tedious and repetitive. Also, I never once said anyone was stupid or undeducated, however people are displaying a total lack of understanding and an unwillingness to learn.

Sure, you may not say it directly, but you still sound that way - we are unwilling to learn and just are too stupid to understand and you are of course above all.

'Handful' is a relative term. Out of one million people, ten thousand could be a handful. Ten thousand would still create a profit for Frontier, but most of that ten thousand, and most of the other nine hundred ninety thousand, would also be fine with more realistic DLC's with actual zoo animals rather than show pieces.

But you dont know that, 90% of the players may want them and only 10% wouldnt, sure it could be the other way around aswell, but neither you nor I do know this. And while you think otherwise, I still think the majority would be happy with them. Sure neither of us can proof it. Many new players would also be drawn in if they added them - I guess more than those who would be appalled by it and not buy it then.

But as I said - if they already added all that animals, would it still be so terrible if they added orcas for those of us who want them?

If that was true, then you wouldn't take this position:

Yes, I do - because I am very much able to tell a game apart from reality. In real life I am vegetarian, but in games I can also "eat" meat. Or in games I can kill humans and animals, but I wouldnt do so in real life, of course. So of course I can also put pixel orcas in pixel tanks.
If it would really bother you so much if they added them to PZ, then I cant help you

Now you can tell me again I am to stupid to understand the point of the game, but thats not true. I know what Frontier says about PZ and what their advertising about it is. Yet I still think they could totaly make it happen in a way that fits their message. And even educate people about orcas in real life. Just like with the polar bears, they added them because many people wanted them, but at the same time they educated people about them, thats it not so easy to keep them actually in real zoos. Many people seemd like they were not aware about the problems with polar bears in real life, but PZ teached them. Sure, Frontier reduced the space needs a bit, but thats fine - a game also needs to be fun.
And not everything in PZ is totally realistic either, so I dont see any problems here. Like many animals are actually happy with very small habitats, which I found pretty weird from the start, but in the end its still just a game.

Oh, but I dont need or want shows - just beautiful orcas to look at

Well, it was Loro Parque where I saw the orcas and it is also a zoo as a member of the EAZA. (yeah, I saw the orca show and I found it sad, very sad I had to hold back my tears. I was vary about going there in the first place, but it was my first time on Teneriffe and who knows, maybe also my last, so I decided to go there anyways... Also I did wanted to see it before I can finally judge it and yeah, it is far to small and dosent look great at all - but that dosent stop me from wanting them in Planet Zoo)
And as I already said theoretically each zoo (in countries were its legal) could keep orcas if they wanted and could get them legally. Of course the zoos dont for many good reasons in real life! But as far as I am aware there is no country were its legal to keep them captive that has a law that they could only be kept in Marine Parks and not Zoos.
(And elephants also did attack their keepers, which made many zoos stop direct contact with them)

After all this is game about animals in captivity. Elephants, Apes and countless other animals already killed/attacked keepers in zoos. And many of those often suffer in captivity and develop stereotypic movement disorders. Or there are people who want to grant apes non-human-rights and ban them from being kept in zoos.. (whatever thats a good thing or not is another question) Yet, Elephants and apes are all in the game.

But yeah, as I am soo unable to learn and change my postion about it, I will now not discuss this matter with you anymore. There is no point. You will not try to understand us anyways. And you probaly think the same way about us We can just agree to disagree. The winnerside will be crowned when they either add orcas or end PZ without ever adding them.

The no-sayers actually make me want orcas for PZ even more I wont stop being selfish in that matter You know, I want them so much if Frontier told me I could decide they would either add 100 more animals, but no orcas, or just orcas, but no other animals - I would still take orcas^^ I guess many people would hate me for it - even those who would like orcas in the game - just not for this price
Thats how much I desire them!❤

 

[Kaan]

That in itself is a debatable position even without the rest - what are you basing this on?

because I have been following it since the first day the game was announced. were the first DLC marine animals people wanted.

The biggest issue is around the shows, which are clearly designed to draw crowds and revenue.

To show the animals to the guests is not to attract income? Can you think of the maintenance costs of a killer whale? Sorry, but this is not a simple matter as you think. The maintenance costs of killer whales and dolphins are really high.
There is no illegal situation in the shows (I'm not talking about animal demonstrations where trainers swim with killer whales. I'm talking about shows like orca encounter). Another issue is doing this especially in San Diego Zoo. They wear a leash to the animals and show them to the guests at the zoo. There are such things in almost all modern zoos and approved zoos.

SeaWorld (a theme park, not a zoo)
Miama Seaquarium (not a zoo)
Marineland Canada (an amusement park, not a zoo)
Marineland Antibes (in close association with SeaWorld)
Loro Parque (an amusement park, where a trainer was killed, leading to no more hands-on interaction with the orca)
Mundo Marino (whose only killer whale might have been force-stranded for capture)
SeaWorld Kamogawa (theme park, not a zoo)
Nagoya Public Aquarium (probably the only one close to a zoo, but still an aquarium)
Moskvarium and TINRO Centre (Russia, hardly a reputable source of good zoos)
Chimelong Ocean Kingdom (China, again, hardly a paragon of good zoo behaviour).

so why do you think of a theme park directly? Should the game be called Planet Theme Park for killer whales or dolphins?
Isn't killer whale or dolphin an animal? Isn't the zoo a theme park anyway? a park that themes animals.

I say it again, zoos are not as innocent as you think.

I don't want to extend it any longer. Anyway, Frontier will make this decision.

It is my dream to see Orca in a modern game. I've been waiting for this moment for years. and therefore I will not give up until the end. all I trust is Frontier.

 

[NL_Mutso]

Lets's be honest, Marine DLC is among the highest requested DLC
Maybe not the Orca/Dolphin, but also different species and smaller aquariums etc.

I think even people will complain about adding land animals, that are not in zoos for various reasons.

The no-sayers actually make me want orcas for PZ even more

Haha, it also works the other way with certain wishlists. Sometimes I see a request for certain DLC/feature and i just think: they should this add this as last feature/DLC for this game - this is the 100th topic in just a couple of weeks about this..

I think adding wishlists is good, some people could just bump an old topic about the same content, though.
Some users post their suggestions or bugs and expect it to be added in a next update - and actually get upset or more frustrated when it's not included.

The overall tone of OP's list are the ones I appreciate the most, just a wishlist with low expectations. and not unreasonable.

 

[Tuky]

Haha, it also works the other way with certain wishlists. Sometimes I see a request for certain DLC/feature and i just think: they should this add this as last feature/DLC for this game - this is the 100th topic in just a couple of weeks about this..

Oh, you may be right about this^^ Its also a reason why I never made a wish-list myself and just talking about it in already made topics usually At first I didnt even want to get in discussions about it at all, but considering I want them SO much and they are not certain at all to be added, sadly, I decided I should voice my opinion about them and support the "yes-team", so that Frontier knows they are really wanted by many
And I think all the others who are for them should aswell - but true, every one making new wish list about the same thing is not necessary

Hopefully I will be able to replace the fake ones with real-fake ones in the future
(thanks to the person who made them!)

 

[Grayyy]

that looks pretty dope

 

[Kaan]

At first I didnt even want to get in discussions about it at all, but considering I want them SO much and they are not certain at all to be added, sadly, I decided I should voice my opinion about them and support the "yes-team", so that Frontier knows they are really wanted by many

hey! this is exactly me!
I won't give up easily...

 

[MrHappy]

What an incredibly tough decision Frontier have to make. I think it is true that captive Dolphins and Whales can easily receive a backlash. This is unfortunately because zoo's are usually well known and respected for their conservation and breeding work. Public aquariums definitely are not for the most case. Although such good work does happen, their insufficient and frankly abusive environments for the animals have always been the centre of attention.

I really don't think it's happening any time soon with so many other animals that can also be covered by the game.