ANNNNNNND Odyssey everybody

[WR3ND]

I don't play Odyssey beyond testing because I get 1/6 the performance potential in FPS from Horizons on Ultra in the hanger. Not much to discuss about it really, let alone argue. Obviously the game has some issues.

Usually I use vsync. The extra headroom in Horizons is nice for keeping my GPUs cool at only 1/3 load, and of course having resources available to do other things while playing the game.

 

[robbyp]

I personally don't care about the FPS being lower when docked or when in the social space. If the FPS is 20 or 30 its not going to make a playable difference. Its on planet and in space that matter to me. In space, Odyssey is working at 60fps capped for me. In the settlements its worse, down to 40 or so, sometimes tanking for a few seconds, but still playable for me.

 

[Sakashiro]

Regarding the state of Odyssey, there's only one source I consider credible, and that is FDev. Yes, you read that right. At launch, FDev decided to split the game and keep Horizons on client 3.8 because they were perfectly aware that client 4.0 wasn't good enough to take over. And it still isn't, which is why the merge has been postponed indefinitely.

 

[Rat Catcher]

you could be running the game at 640x480 on a GTX 3080 at low graphics quality for all we know.

Indeed so.

Does it really matter to you, personally?

As said previously, it doesn't really matter what the equipment is, the software is faulty... Granted, some of us are able to accept it is faulty and make the most of the useabilty we have.

 

[Fizzatron]

Your position was clear - I just disagree with your opinion.

So you think it's fine to put off people from buying Odyssey who may not have the problems that others are? And you say:

Oy maybe people who have spent real money on a game with terrible performance issues don't really care to hear from tone-deaf people telling them "Why are you complaining? The game runs fine for ME!".

Like they're the selfish ones?

I think it's perfectly OK for people who have paid money for a product to complain when that product does not meet their expectations, yes.

If a lot of people are complaining about the same thing then that probably means the advertised product is either faulty, or was misrepresented by the seller.

Either way, people are dissatisfied with the product they purchased and have a right to share their experiences so that other people know what to expect.

In the case of Odyssey, a sufficient number of people are experiencing serious enough framerate issues that it has been acknowledged by FDev themselves. Sharing examples of those issues is not misinforming people - it's the opposite.

I think it would be fair to say that the chances of someone with modern hardware and experience of modern games is likely to be dissatisfied with the performance of Odyssey are rather high.

You may not like it, but that's life.

Evidently you still are having trouble with comprehension. None of what you said is problematic for me, you continue with your straw man argument. Try to understand what I do find problematic. Though I don't think it's lost on you, but if it is, it's pot calling the kettle black calling those who aren't having issues tone deaf.

 

[Fizzatron]

That's just plain daft.

Always nice to start off with a respectful tone.

How would anyone know when you were playing at any one location to make the frame rate tank? You can go to these places any time you like. It's always the same.

I was referring to a separate set of conditions as an illustration. Maybe what you're saying could be correct, it's somewhat vague, but it doesn't negate or invalidate my point.

They're not fairy tale adventures.

No, sorry, let me explain. I was told by another forum member that those not having problems getting grilled like:

These statements are from people that have been playing the game every night for years and loved it, not guys like you that come and go. I personally invested around 8000 hrs in the game. I see that you just unlocked Domino Green. How many hours have you actually played the Odyssey on foot stuff? Please give a number. How many different conflict zones have you done? How many military bases have you raided?

Was a fairy tale. Ho hum.

 

[nanite2000]

So you think it's fine to put off people from buying Odyssey who may not have the problems that others are? And you say:

Yep! Buyer beware, because the game has real issues so you’re taking a gamble when you purchase it.

If I was paying money for something, I’d like to know beforehand if it has any serious known issues - wouldn’t you?

what’s wrong with being an informed buyer?

Like they're the selfish ones?

I never called them selfish - just tone deaf and unhelpful to the people who are having problems.

Evidently you still are having trouble with comprehension. None of what you said is problematic for me

(Emphasis mine).

just because it isn’t a problem for you doesn’t negate the problems experienced by the OP.

you continue with your straw man argument. Try to understand what I do find problematic. Though I don't think it's lost on you, but if it is, it's pot calling the kettle black calling those who aren't having issues tone deaf.

It’s only a problem because it LOOKS like you’re ignoring the issues the OP has raised and instead it APPEARS as though you are telling them “It’s fine for ME, so stop complaining.”.

 

[Bottom Hat]

Still a bit amtrak for a pleasant thread to read...

 

[gooddoc]

Still a bit amtrak for a pleasant thread to read...

Yeah, I gave up yesterday...........................you just can't talk to people who don't want to hear

 

[Bottom Hat]

Yeah, I gave up yesterday...........................you just can't talk to people who don't want to hear

Indeed mate - it just seems like an example of exactly that!

 

[robbyp]

Only interested if you reinforce their opinions.

 

[Fizzatron]

Yep! Buyer beware, because the game has real issues so you’re taking a gamble when you purchase it.

If I was paying money for something, I’d like to know beforehand if it has any serious known issues - wouldn’t you?

Yes, but the truth is closer to it being a YMMV scenario than it being a definite bust, no? Why would you want someone who's hardware would run Odyssey well enough to not get it? Or at least see? Surely, in the grand scheme of figuring things out, more data is better than less? I'm not afraid of it contradicting my experience, why are you?

what’s wrong with being an informed buyer?

Nothing, but there is a lot wrong with misinforming buyers.

I never called them selfish - just tone deaf and unhelpful to the people who are having problems.

Did I say you did? The inference was mine but I think it would be a reasonable one. Yet again you're missing the point about me not having issues with those who wish to validly criticize or vent, but you have to also understand that from my perspective, running on such a 'lowly' spec of RTX 2060, 16Gb & 6 Core i7 laptop in comparison to 32Gb 3090ti 10 core i9 that I find it rather incredulous to see such a screenshot posted as if that's literally the best they can get on their machine. Especially when I've read Steam reviews that say unless you have some Übermensch-like PC spec like that, don't bother to buy Odyssey.

just because it isn’t a problem for you doesn’t negate the problems experienced by the OP.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I never once said it did, that's all your projection. My initial post was to point out, again, (and yes, I can go around as many times as you wish to, too) that the clickbait thread title was potentially misleading in the way that it declares OPs experience is the de facto Odyssey experience, which it is not. Conversely, it's those who's experience isn't anywhere near the mess of OPs screenshot who are having their own experience invalidated in the eyes of someone casually browsing the forum who happen upon this sort of thread.

It’s only a problem because it LOOKS like you’re ignoring the issues the OP has raised and instead it APPEARS as though you are telling them “It’s fine for ME, so stop complaining.”.

Looks like? Misrepresented as more likely. I feel like I've been pretty clear and not obtuse, can't say the same for the merry-go-round club members.

 

[Sluggy71]

I appreciate that others have performance issues, maybe I'm lucky in that the Dev's have my laptop as one of their testing rigs, so it's set up to run well.

Whilst I'm lost to Elite for the foreseeable future and don't really have a dog in this fight anymore, could you please explain this comment?

 

[nanite2000]

Yes, but the truth is closer to it being a YMMV scenario than it being a definite bust, no? Why would you want someone who's hardware would run Odyssey well enough to not get it? Or at least see? Surely, in the grand scheme of figuring things out, more data is better than less? I'm not afraid of it contradicting my experience, why are you?


Nothing, but there is a lot wrong with misinforming buyers.


Did I say you did? The inference was mine but I think it would be a reasonable one. Yet again you're missing the point about me not having issues with those who wish to validly criticize or vent, but you have to also understand that from my perspective, running on such a 'lowly' spec of RTX 2060, 16Gb & 6 Core i7 laptop in comparison to 32Gb 3090ti 10 core i9 that I find it rather incredulous to see such a screenshot posted as if that's literally the best they can get on their machine. Especially when I've read Steam reviews that say unless you have some Übermensch-like PC spec like that, don't bother to buy Odyssey.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I never once said it did, that's all your projection. My initial post was to point out, again, (and yes, I can go around as many times as you wish to, too) that the clickbait thread title was potentially misleading in the way that it declares OPs experience is the de facto Odyssey experience, which it is not. Conversely, it's those who's experience isn't anywhere near the mess of OPs screenshot who are having their own experience invalidated in the eyes of someone casually browsing the forum who happen upon this sort of thread.


Looks like? Misrepresented as more likely. I feel like I've been pretty clear and not obtuse, can't say the same for the merry-go-round club members.

In that case, it's totally fine to say the game runs fine for you as long as you also post your specs and actual performance so people can decide for themselves whether it constitutes acceptable performance by their own standards.

For example, @gooddoc shared his system specs:

I have stated earlier in this thread, I play on my i7 Omen gaming laptop 16GB with a RTX 2060 graphics card. I let the game set the settings on install, which was High Settings & haven't touched any settings apart from binding my keys & controllers, game runs on 1080 resolution full screen I believe.

This is well beyond Frontier's recommended spec for Odyssey (let alone their minimum spec):

• Processor: Intel i5-8600 / AMD Ryzen 5 2600
• Memory: 12 GB RAM
• Graphics: NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1060 (6 GB VRAM) / AMD RX 580 (8 GB VRAM)

Yet @gooddoc also says he only gets 40-50 FPS in his SRV, with the occasional tank to single digits.

(For the record, I get slightly less than that performance in an SRV using a i7 8700k, GTX 1080 Ti 12GB, 16GB RAM, and a Samsung SSD 970 PRO 512GB, which is a quarter of the performance I would get in Horizons under the same scenario.)

So potential buyers should be able to decide for themselves whether this constitutes acceptable performance by their own standards. For me, getting a quarter of the framerates in Odyssey compared to similar scenarios in Horizons is not acceptable, and I would be very disappointed to only get 40-50FPS if I had a more powerful graphics card - especially considering the graphics are not as good as many other newer games which exhibit far better performance.

And it appears as though many other players feel the same way.

 

[Jmanis]

And it appears as though many other players feel the same way.

And many others don't. The fact it's at odds with your opinions and experiences (however valid and truthful) does not invalidate those opinions, and neither do they invalidate yours. Both experiences can exist, despite being contrary.

 

[Sakashiro]

And many others don't. The fact it's at odds with your opinions and experiences (however valid and truthful) does not invalidate those opinions, and neither do they invalidate yours. Both experiences can exist, despite being contrary.

The experiences don't vary, only the perceptions do. Odyssey doesn't magically run great on some rigs, but people are known to have different pain thresholds. Some are willing to accept sub-60 fps and occasional stutter in exchange for new gameplay, others aren't. I played Odyssey for three months, then returned to Horizons because the added gameplay loops had worn off while the performance issues persisted. As an expansion, Odyssey just isn't worth the money and the trouble. You people probably believe you're doing FDev a favor by peddling this thing to others, but you aren't. All you do is make more players turn their backs towards ED in frustration and trying other games instead.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

I wouldn't mind seeing some benchmark vids for what systems it is working well on.
That would probably help.

 

[WR3ND]

Only interested if you reinforce their opinions.

I just like to hear the sound of myself talking to myself...

What was this thread about again? Oh, who cares anyway? Having some spiced beer and thinking about doing some jump honking.

Cheers.

 

[Snowymonk]

Is this the thread where those who have spent a fortune on their home rig feel that they have the right to tell other people that Frontier are rubbish?


(Hint: what you spend on your set-up bears no relationship to your entitlement)

 

[mephisto9466]

I personally don't care about the FPS being lower when docked or when in the social space. If the FPS is 20 or 30 its not going to make a playable difference. Its on planet and in space that matter to me. In space, Odyssey is working at 60fps capped for me. In the settlements its worse, down to 40 or so, sometimes tanking for a few seconds, but still playable for me.

when in vr having the fps be that low can cause many people vertigo and quite a few others to have headaches.