Just keep in mind that any progress made in Horizons - Legacy is separate to that in Horizons/Odyssey - Live.
Any tips how to return to Elite after some... time?
Makes sense, so does that mean if i go ahead and install the Horizons or Odyssey - live versions, they take up a big chunk of their own HDD space on my system alongside my still working Legacy game? I would expect so, and how much space extra will i need. They don't tell you on the "versions" screen.
Oh and will my character be kept separate as well, like i'll be running too different chars for the game versions, one for Legacy and one for the other "live" game?
Oh and will my character be kept separate as well, like i'll be running too different chars for the game versions, one for Legacy and one for the other "live" game?
I bought ED during the EA period from Frontier. I put in about 3200 hours before fleet carriers were released (iirc spring of 2020). Then I took a 3 year+ leave of absence.
A couple of months ago I decided to reinstall and do some more Milky Way exploration etc. After logging in to the Frontier store and re-installing ED:H, I had all my credits and the ships I had when I quit playing. That was wonderful. I read on this forum and at Steam, people returning to the game and starting over. I've wondered if they wanted to start over or they thought they had to. I sure did not want to start again from scratch. I've had a lot of fun since I restarted; lots of credits and a dozen of my most favorite ships and several engineered modules sitting in storage. I don't have Odyssey or a FC fwiw. ED:H is sufficient for me at the moment but I may buy O if I start to get bored. Good luck and have fun
A couple of months ago I decided to reinstall and do some more Milky Way exploration etc. After logging in to the Frontier store and re-installing ED:H, I had all my credits and the ships I had when I quit playing. That was wonderful. I read on this forum and at Steam, people returning to the game and starting over. I've wondered if they wanted to start over or they thought they had to. I sure did not want to start again from scratch. I've had a lot of fun since I restarted; lots of credits and a dozen of my most favorite ships and several engineered modules sitting in storage. I don't have Odyssey or a FC fwiw. ED:H is sufficient for me at the moment but I may buy O if I start to get bored. Good luck and have fun
IIRC, the Live version is around 50GB, while the Legacy one is around 20GB.
The galaxy was split into Legacy and Live and the game save ought to be the same on both versions since you haven't played for a while.
The galaxy was split into Legacy and Live and the game save ought to be the same on both versions since you haven't played for a while.
Thanks Jack Winter, 50GB is not so bad so i'll give Horizons Live a download. I'm pretty sure Odyssey will be a no go for my system specs, the 4GB VRam being the big issue, so no space legs for me!
I do recall that performance on Odyssey was a problem when it came out, and just flicking through a few threads i still see people talk about that aspect, so it is likely not currently resolved enough for my humble hardware to strain.
I do recall that performance on Odyssey was a problem when it came out, and just flicking through a few threads i still see people talk about that aspect, so it is likely not currently resolved enough for my humble hardware to strain.
Ody is viewable via Twitch streams/vods and YT videos if you want to see what it is all about before installing. I held out for a long time (almost 2 years I think) before purchasing Ody. It is worth it to me, but it needed polishing and fixing before I purchased and installed it. It is mostly good now. Ody goes on sale every so often if you are interested.
My old PC was an I5 2500k, with 16 gigs ddr3 1333 or 1666 (i cannot remember), a gtx 1070, a samsung 860 sata ssd, and it ran Horizons Live 4.0 ok. So I think your rig should run ok.
If just starting back out after and extended absence. Just go try things out, a pirate massacre mission, or courier mission. Go laser mine some platinum or osmium, (better prices than painite) or go core mining. Maybe the Gold, Palladium or go get something type of missions are available in stations near you for millions...
For getting into the AX stuff I would get the first three engineers unlocked and build an AXI spec Chieftan or Kmk2, either one should work fine for Titan bombing runs or fighting Thargoid scouts. But depending on your skills and your tolerance for ship rebuys, you do not need to engineer to try it out. Engineering will always help, but not 100% needed.
My old PC was an I5 2500k, with 16 gigs ddr3 1333 or 1666 (i cannot remember), a gtx 1070, a samsung 860 sata ssd, and it ran Horizons Live 4.0 ok. So I think your rig should run ok.
If just starting back out after and extended absence. Just go try things out, a pirate massacre mission, or courier mission. Go laser mine some platinum or osmium, (better prices than painite) or go core mining. Maybe the Gold, Palladium or go get something type of missions are available in stations near you for millions...
For getting into the AX stuff I would get the first three engineers unlocked and build an AXI spec Chieftan or Kmk2, either one should work fine for Titan bombing runs or fighting Thargoid scouts. But depending on your skills and your tolerance for ship rebuys, you do not need to engineer to try it out. Engineering will always help, but not 100% needed.
You will have two different games with the same commander - old Horizons Legacy, and new 4.0 LIVE.
Do this upgrade ASAP, because everything you do right now in game will stay in Legacy, will not be transferred into Live.
Options 1 and 2 are the same game, it's just that option 2 doesn't provide you with the on-foot stuff (you can't disembark, and you can't land on thin-atmosphered planets).
The current version of the game has changes compared to Legacy, including some graphical changes and some UI changes. Some you will like, some you won't (at least at first). But in general I think it's more positive than negative.
Once their server issues are fixed (could be ok now? It timed out 10 mins ago and they had News on longer than expected down time) I will find out how the hardware handles 18.01 Live version
@Doctor Dread and DjVortex, interestingly after installing Elite Dangerous: Horizons overnight, i now have six game options vs the five i previously listed!
So yesterday my "versions" looked like this:
1.Elite Dangerous: Odyssey - Not installed
2.Elite Dangerous: Horizons - Not installed
3.Legacy Elite Dangerous - READY
4.Elite Dangerous: Arena - READY
5.Single Player Combat Training - Not installed
And now I have these options:
1.Elite Dangerous: Odyssey - READY
2.Elite Dangerous: Horizons - READY
3.Legacy Horizons - READY
4.Legacy Elite Dangerous - READY
5.Elite Dangerous: Arena - READY
6.Single Player Combat Training - Not installed
So Odyssey and Horizons are one download that i assume are all "Live" versions, and includes Legacy Horizons that is a bit like Legacy Elite Dangerous (what i had been playing previously) just with the Horizons content and frozen in place in terms of update 16.01?
Lol i think i'm working this all out, and thanks for all you guys for the advice etc
So yesterday my "versions" looked like this:
1.Elite Dangerous: Odyssey - Not installed
2.Elite Dangerous: Horizons - Not installed
3.Legacy Elite Dangerous - READY
4.Elite Dangerous: Arena - READY
5.Single Player Combat Training - Not installed
And now I have these options:
1.Elite Dangerous: Odyssey - READY
2.Elite Dangerous: Horizons - READY
3.Legacy Horizons - READY
4.Legacy Elite Dangerous - READY
5.Elite Dangerous: Arena - READY
6.Single Player Combat Training - Not installed
So Odyssey and Horizons are one download that i assume are all "Live" versions, and includes Legacy Horizons that is a bit like Legacy Elite Dangerous (what i had been playing previously) just with the Horizons content and frozen in place in terms of update 16.01?
Lol i think i'm working this all out, and thanks for all you guys for the advice etc
As mentioned the two "live" versions of the game, Horizons and Odyssey, are essentially the one and same game, with the difference that in Horizons some content isn't accessible. (Also, players in one cannot instantiate with players in the other. Both need to have launched the same mode.)
Because they are effectively the one and same game, it does also mean that they use the one and same shared commander data. In other words, if you have both, you can launch either one and it will just use the same commander data. (The game does some tricks if you log out in Odyssey in a place that's not accessible in Horizons, and then launch Horizons. But otherwise you just continue where you left off.)
Legacy Horizons is, as far as I understand, pretty much the exact same version of the game that's available on consoles currently (I believe the version number is 3.8, while the current "live" game is at version 4.0.) And it's a completely separate and independent universe from the "live" versions. Nothing is shared between the two (including your commander data.)
It's not clear to me what the difference is between "Legacy Horizons" and "Legacy Elite Dangerous". The latter might be a minor version or two older, maybe? I honestly don't know. I believe both share the same universe.
Another thing that's unclear to me is whether your current Legacy commander data is transferrable to the Live versions, or whether you will have to start anew. Could someone more knowledgeable fill in the details of this?
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When they split Legacy and Live in November 2022 (Ody Update 14), the Live galaxy was an exact copy of the Legacy galaxy including commanders and their ships/bank balances/fleet carriers and other assets.
If you've been away since before the split, then currently your commander will be in the same ship in the same location with all the same money/ships/assets in both Live and Legacy, until you play one or the other of them. At that point they will diverge. If you play Legacy, anything you buy/change will not be transferable to Live, and vice versa.
There is one thing they do share, AFAIK, ARX. One can play in both Legacy and Live and earn up to 800 ARX/week (up to 400 ARX/week per galaxy) for one's account. I've never done this but I've read enough posts here to know that some players do it.
Having access to every Engineer isn't a necessity, unless you plan on doing PvP. Same with G5 engineering. G3 engineering is more than sufficient for most NPCs outside the Thargoids, unless you've artificially inflated your combat rank to reach Elite status by using "This One Weird Trick." Unlocking more Engineers than the starting ones is a convience, because it gives you access to more pinned blueprints for remote engineering, as opposed to a necessity.
You're not missing much IMO.
It'll never be as good as a dedicated shooter or stealth game. But for an "everything" game, it's decent enough. For me, the interesting onfoot missions have the same friction towards playing that the rest of the game does: timers that will expire even when you're logged out.
I agree on the X4 if "industry management" is your thing. It was a pity that Frontier took a chainsaw to its economic sim long before the game was even released. But for me, the stars of this game have always been the Fight Model and the Stellar Forge, especially in VR. Everything else in the game is an "excuse plot" for me.
Sorry to hear that, but I'm not sure I'd define either "grinding" to reach the 400/week cap, or spending money, as fun. Not sure what other "fun stuff" you're talking about.
The few "Pre-engineered" rewards was a once in a lifetime thing that can be mostly ignored. The SCO IMO makes the flight sim part much more interesting, though I am a bit disappointed that Frontier made the current FSD drives obsolete except for niche purposes.
My general advice is this: Don't grind and then have fun. Just go out there, and have fun.
Don't grind for credits and then have fun. The gameplay loops, for the most part, are the same if you're in a Sidewinder or an Anaconda. Just go out and have fun doing what you enjoy. A bigger ship just allows you to take bigger missions, and credit reward inflation for small ship missions has reached "You could by my ship for what you're offering me" levels of absurdity, and the prices and expenses for small ships are miniscule relative to a large ship.
Don't grind for ranks, and then have fun. The gameplay loops, for the most part, are the same if you're in a Sidewinder or an Imperial Cutter. Just go out there and have fun doing what you enjoy. Let your ranking in the Empire and Federation reflect your adventures, not be a goal in and of themselves.
Don't grind for materials and then have fun. The gameplay loops, for the most part, are the same if you've got stock modules or a fully engineered G5 ship. The latter just makes it easier to survive your mistakes, and the differences between G3 and G5 engineering is miniscule, especially compared to the amount of effort it takes to get from G3 to G5. Your time is better spent just doing what you enjoy, and developing your skills at doing it.
If you do plan on taking the Engineering route, keep in mind that opportunities to gather materials are everywhere if you keep your eyes open:
- Manufactured Materials: A brief diversion to drop into a high-grade emission along your flight path takes a lot less time than scanning a system via the FSS, or dropping into a Nav beacon, and then chasing down any HGE's in a system to get those G5 materials.
- Raw materials: If you're taking a mission that takes you to the surface, just do a quick sweep for nearby metallic meteorites in the area, and snap up those G5 materials.
- Data: On your way to your destination, just select ships ahead of you to identify them. This gives you some data. I also have wake scanners on my ships and scan a single way on my way out of mass lock.
- And of course, all three materials classes are offered as mission rewards, though most specific ones aren't.
- When you're ready to do some engineering, just trade on down to fill in whatever holes you have in your inventory. Material and data traders can usually be found in medium population (1-10 million) systems with decent security, at Industrial, Extraction/Refinery, and High Tech stations primarily.
Finally, if you're planning on doing on-foot content, keep in mind that you don't need to do the engineering grind to get engineered equipment. Pre-engineered suits and weapons can randomly spawn on Thursdays at every Pioneer Supplier in the game. I looked at it as an excuse to take missions to distant outposts, which inevitably have something worth purchasing to this day. And like ship engineering, G3 equipment is more than sufficient to take on NPCs unless you intend to Leeroy Jenkins an entire settlement.
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To chime in, and simplify a bit - I went through all this a month or two ago -
1.Elite Dangerous: Odyssey - READY
2.Elite Dangerous: Horizons - READY
are both the same game. Same universe, same progress, only 2. is without the on-foot elements, and no Spires
3.Legacy Horizons - READY
Totally different game, locked in the past, still fully playable (VR is vastly superior there), but nothing you do there, achieve, make billions, whatever will be transferred to the existing Live/Odyssey universe. Basically it's living in the past.
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So as I have updated and installed the latest version, I should play that first to ensure my cmdr transfers over to that latest version from the older Legacy version. If i chose to play in Legacy now I will have to create a new cmdr for the latest "live" version? Is that correct or am I not fully following what exactly happen when you move from Legacy to Live?
Yeah, in general, don't grind. It usually burns players out and then they stop playing.
No, your game in both galaxies is exactly as you left it, however log ago, whether you play or not.
Your Elite Dangerous/Horizons (Legacy) progress and all your stuff/unlocks/etc... was already transferred, as is, to the Live galaxy about 2.5 years ago. If you haven't played since before then, they are both in the same state exactly as you left it.
You will NOT need to start over, unless you choose to "Reset" your commander in either galaxy, and the reset only applies to the galaxy you perform it in. So if you reset in Legacy, only your legacy commander will be affected. Your live commander will stay as it is.
Is that more clear?
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Maybe?
I'm not sure when i stopped playing, or even what the version of ED was called when i was last playing, which makes things a bit tricky. It was just as Odyssey was first being released iirc, and most people were staying away as even the guys with the top tier PC hardware were having big performance issues etc.
As for my Cmdr (Childovthor) he has just made it out of his sidewinder to an Adder and no Engineers are unlocked. He has 196,244 CR and 405 Arx, so if i have to start over in Live it is not too much of a loss. And by "start over" what it is is that i have no Cmdr footprint in anything other than what is now called Legacy ED, i never played the current Live version i was always in the PvE setting vs PvP.
Currently while i can contact the server in Legacy mode, i can't connect in the Live version of Horizons it reports a server connection error and to try later etc, so the mystery of what happens to my Cmdr in Live (v18.01) Horizons will have to wait until that stops being a thing.
I'm not sure when i stopped playing, or even what the version of ED was called when i was last playing, which makes things a bit tricky. It was just as Odyssey was first being released iirc, and most people were staying away as even the guys with the top tier PC hardware were having big performance issues etc.
As for my Cmdr (Childovthor) he has just made it out of his sidewinder to an Adder and no Engineers are unlocked. He has 196,244 CR and 405 Arx, so if i have to start over in Live it is not too much of a loss. And by "start over" what it is is that i have no Cmdr footprint in anything other than what is now called Legacy ED, i never played the current Live version i was always in the PvE setting vs PvP.
Currently while i can contact the server in Legacy mode, i can't connect in the Live version of Horizons it reports a server connection error and to try later etc, so the mystery of what happens to my Cmdr in Live (v18.01) Horizons will have to wait until that stops being a thing.
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Like I said - I have laptop with integral GPU (Vega 8) with allocated 2 GB (from total of 20 GB); with FSR it's fine (in space, at least), with Odyssey installed.
So, actually, install the Odyssey, give it a spin, and tune up with driver override settings, and perhaps kick in the FSR (unlike DLSS, it'll work on GeForce 1660 Ti).
PS: Old Horizons was relegated as a Legacy version, after release of the Odyssey, while the newest version was taken up to be on-par with the Odyssey (minus the space legs). You should have a copied profile from the time of the upgrade.
I have also been thinking of rejoining the universe, I've been out since Odyssey landed. I didn't leave because of Odyssey, it was just I have little interest in walking around, (I want to fly, explore, mine) I needed a break anyway. I'm primarily VR player.
Unfortunately I left my carrier out in the black, I'm pretty sure I didn't leave enough funds for so long a break.
I have just moved house, so I need to reset up the computer, HOTAS, and VR gear, so its no small commitment. And a lot of RL things going on too.
After reading all of the above I think I should wait until next winter, more free time.
Unfortunately I left my carrier out in the black, I'm pretty sure I didn't leave enough funds for so long a break.
I have just moved house, so I need to reset up the computer, HOTAS, and VR gear, so its no small commitment. And a lot of RL things going on too.
After reading all of the above I think I should wait until next winter, more free time.