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I was banned after a mod decided to edit my post to the point it made no sense, all because I used the term '<snip>', needless to say I replied and was banned for 'harassment' :p The reason we can't use '<snip>' by the way is because the forum is family friendly, you know the forum for a game about delivering drugs and murdering innocent traders that is simply used for children to hang out and talk about Justin Bieber (He is still relevant right? I'm sure the teenie bops on here will tell me).

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I have no problem with it, "General" has been a festering sore for a month now. I want to hear about peoples discoveries and accomplishments, not constant crying that ED isn't their own personal ego stroking machine.
 
I run my forums with an IRON FIST!!
FD is fair, as they disclose all rules and are trying to keep it civil on here.
I see way to many personal attacks and bad attitudes on here.
 
Because some players are actually going to court with them?

Can you link a case of someone filing a lawsuit for unjustified forums ban?

No, hence the "?". But lots of people threatening or taking them to court due to absence of offline mode, just check out that thread in the support forum or the various websites on that subject. No doubt it would, could or has happened, esp. If they start banning folks and cracking down on hacks and exploits, which hopefully they will do soon.

The existance of rules or lack thereof is irrelevant when a board is not moderated at all. A thousand pages of rules would not prevent this from happening in your case.

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That's a completely separate issue and no one actually took them to court. And even if they were to take them to court, it would be over offline mode (which I see as a very shortsighted endevour given the refund policy in place), not over getting banned on the forum.


All this his is a mess at present.
In the UK you can be locked up for posting stuff online, it is of course understandable this side of the Atlantic. Yet in the states this would never happen.
There are also issues of libel, which in the UK are literally beyond a joke, ask Iain Hislop. The funniest part is the UK apparently leads the way in libel legislation.

Given that anyone can set up multiple accounts on this thread that are not tied to your actual game (FD what were you thinking) any enforcement of the rules is wasted effort.
given the fact the mods seem to choose how to enforce the current rules, or not, dependant on their mood also raises many concerns.

Some online games have formally come a cropper when deleting posts the explain customer rights (ahem BSGO - contempt)
Some have allowed posts that may be illegal in some jurisdictions (They take godwins law pretty seriously in Germany and Austria)

I guess that for the most part, there needs to be rules. Yet I can not really see how they can be fair for a world game. ED has already had issues with mods and customers, who have actually paid for the game having posts deleted only to see an army of sock puppets post all sorts yet remain untouched.
RE legal cases, the UK is common law, so it only takes one. I am not sure about the civil law (most of the EU) but recent moves by the latter have closely followed precedent set in the UK (Scary).
ED also has a far more "mature" player base who also have accesses to the funds to mount legal actions.

I am not to sure, though I think apple, trip advisor, amazon, eBay, YouTube and many more have been fined, settled or taken to court over forum posts.

So it does seem chaos.

maybe FD will smarten up, and simplify the rule set and have a fair appeal system with recourse and apologies for those wronged. After all, it's only fair...


If a large Russian gaming firm can say sorry and give players a month of free premium time along with a post explaining where they went wrong. I assume that the more progressive UK (Cambridge) based firm could do even better...?


Please FD don't be outdone by a baseball bat wielding, tax dodging, commie, tank fan as that would really not be the firm I hoped FD would be...
 
Can you name an eventuality that isn't resolved by banning the user, stating "We don't like your tone", with no written rules in place at all?

I prefer a rule set to relate to, what you suggest sounds 100% arbitrary.

Anarchy is an interesting concept, but i don't want to live by it, not even on a forum.
 
Hello there

Why not wait and see how the rules are put into operation and decide then whether its "mod madness" or actually an ok idea?

Rgds

LoK
 
The only one I have a problem with is Moderation Contesting. If one has a grievance with a moderating decision it seems wrong, to me, that it can be swept under the carpet and not given a public airing.

(I also disagree with the swearing ban but presumably that's something to do with game ratings and not worth discussing.)
 
The only one I have a problem with is Moderation Contesting. If one has a grievance with a moderating decision it seems wrong, to me, that it can be swept under the carpet and not given a public airing.

(I also disagree with the swearing ban but presumably that's something to do with game ratings and not worth discussing.)



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Yep this is gonna be a big problem!
 
The only one I have a problem with is Moderation Contesting. If one has a grievance with a moderating decision it seems wrong, to me, that it can be swept under the carpet and not given a public airing.

(I also disagree with the swearing ban but presumably that's something to do with game ratings and not worth discussing.)

Because there's no reason to make a big deal out of it publicly. A lot of the time the public grieving isn't warranted, it's usually done by people that didn't understand the rules. It's also very disruptive to the overall forum mood and turns into "burn such and such at the stake!". If you understand the rules, 99% of the time you won't have a moderation problem. They are still human and make mistakes though and it's just easier and more civil to do it privately.

Remember that this is a privately owned forum, not a public venue for you to air your grievances and be safe from government prosecution.
 
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Hello there

what we all have to remember is that we are guests here.

Just like a pub.

If the rules say, to visit we have to wear a tie then we have to.

Any mod discussion should not be up for public debate and any mod team worth their salt will have a behind the scenes complaint process.

The forums will soon catch on whether this is followed or abused. Again IMHO nowt to worry about.

Rgds

LoK

PS "we" operate a closed door mod decision policy. The only ones who have bitterly complained were the trolls and their proven alts.
 
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In general forum rules are interpreted quite lose. I guess this is more of a legit mechanics to get the forum quiet from those people who constantly step over the line.
 
Because there's no reason to make a big deal out of it publicly. A lot of the time the public grieving isn't warranted, it's usually done by people that didn't understand the rules. It's also very disruptive to the overall forum mood and turns into "burn such and such at the stake!". If you understand the rules, 99% of the time you won't have a moderation problem. They are still human and make mistakes though and it's just easier and more civil to do it privately.

Remember that this is a privately owned forum, not a public venue for you to air your grievances and be safe from government prosecution.

Hello there

what we all have to remember is that we are guests here.

Just like a pub.

If the rules say, to visit we have to wear a tie then we have to.

Any mod discussion should not be up for public debate and any mod team worth their salt will have a behind the scenes complaint process.

The forums will soon catch on whether this is followed or abused. Again IMHO nowt to worry about.

Rgds

LoK


If they have nothing to hide, why not do it in public?
it would also alert any and all customers to any poor decisions by those who have been given powers.
 
It doesn't matter how allegedly clear a list of rules is, it will always be subject to interpretation.

Off-topic is a prime example, threads naturally divert from the original topic, that's human nature.
 
Since the penalty for loitering is DEATH, you don't even want to think about what they do if you use an apostrophe incorrectly.

I have been extremely careful to use the Oxford comma. There are 3 reasons. This is a UK based company, I speak the Queens English, and I had a fabulous English teacher. I dare not risk death if I am found lacking in some fashion or another.
 
If they have nothing to hide, why not do it in public?
it would also alert any and all customers to any poor decisions by those who have been given powers.

It has nothing to do with having something to hide. It's about keeping the forums civil and respecting decisions made.
 
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