Are rudder pedals worth buying for Elite: Dangerous?

You NEED the ability to yaw. Whether you prefer twist yaw or pedals is a personal choice. But obviously, if you get a stick that doesn't have twist, then pedals will be a must.

Personally prefer twist stick yaw over pedals simply because it allows me to keep all my maneuvering ability on the stick rather than splitting it.
 
I would say yes, if you prefer the HOTAS type controls over KBAM.

Unfortunately my current setup doesn't really have room for them, but I have them for when that changes.
 
I'd say if you can afford it then definitely yes. I've got a full CH set up. While the pedals look crap they're sturdy, my set is like 12 years old and still work just fine. Takes a little getting used to using your feet as well as your hands but it really is worth it. Get a TrackIR or some other head tracking solution too while you're at it :)
 
Build a ramp and angle it towards your computer, gravity will do the rest (now that's gotta move the green bar :))
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Hmm. I like this idea. Then I could tell my wife that yes, she might want me to do some chores, but the laws of physics demand me to stay here... :D ;)
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Yes! After using a HOTAS and rudder pedals for the last 20 years, originally in Air Warrior then Aces High and more recently in Elite, I can't fly any other way. I'd rather have pedals than use a twisty joystick anyday! :)
 
I've been a twist stick user since I got my first HOTAS so I would say do whatever floats your boat. I'm sure pedals are a LOT more engaging simply by engaging more parts of your body, and they might have pretty good precision because it's a separate mechanical device than one attached to a stick.

If you have the money to blow on it, I'd say do the pedals. If not, I don't think you're missing out that much. But I'm also the guy who was "whelmed" the first time he tried a VR headset as it exactly matched my expectations for what VR is and what it would do for games, so YMMV.
 
I really didn't like my Thrustmaster TFRP pedals. The centering force was too weak to be noticeable and my feet were so close together it was difficult to have a sense of their position. But they may be the only practical choice if you have to have them in the kneehole of a desk.

I replaced mine with the Saitek Pro pedals, which I dislike less. Having said which, the pedals on that are far from reassuringly solid and my right foot, which has a natural tendency to turn outwards, tends to slip off its pedal.

O Crosswind, where art thou?
 
Anyone use standard driving pedals instead of flight pedals who can weigh in here?

Is there a substantial difference in benefits?
 
Anyone use standard driving pedals instead of flight pedals who can weigh in here?

Is there a substantial difference in benefits?

There is. With driving pedals you can switch to combined axis to emulate rudder control (ie one pedal cancels the input of the other), but you don't get the toe axies, and it's generally possible to press both pedals at the same time which restricts your total range of input.

For a flight sim pedal set if you press one pedal the other will physically be pushed back up. As I stated earlier I prefer to just use the rudder control on my FCS throttle.
 
There is. With driving pedals you can switch to combined axis to emulate rudder control (ie one pedal cancels the input of the other), but you don't get the toe axies, and it's generally possible to press both pedals at the same time which restricts your total range of input.

For a flight sim pedal set if you press one pedal the other will physically be pushed back up. As I stated earlier I prefer to just use the rudder control on my FCS throttle.

:) Thanks. Yeah I use the FCS as well- although I've been looking at trying my HOSAS without the FCS (I use all three, not just stick and throttle) so I've been eyeballing pedals as a solution for a while now. Just haven't been able to determine if the value for cost is really that beneficial to me, considering the pedals only contribute 4 actions (2 axis (axes?) / 2 "button" functions with toe pedal) if I'm really seeing this correctly... depending on the amount of investment (upward of $60-500).

Simply put, I've considered the driving pedals as opposed to flight pedals simply because it offers more utility for other games- and not just flight sim. I love the stick/stick feel because it seems more natural to me, and offers a better degree of control- but the throttle implementation on the T16Km really SUCKS in ED for SC. Would be nice if it just flipped functionality in SC, which I believe could be handled with an additional input option in the Control settings.
 
Firstly, I don't know if this is the proper place to post this, but I didn't see any dedicated forum or sub-forum for hardware discussion, so if this is in the wrong place, I do apologize, and please move it to the proper forum/sub-forum.

Now, on to my plight (so to speak); I've been playing Elite: Dangerous since I'm pretty sure around December of 2015, and have (within the past couple of years) started playing with a HOTAS. Started out with the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, and about 5-6 months ago, finally pulled the trigger (no pun intended) on getting the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS package.

I initially shied away from the T.16000M Flight Pack (which includes not only the T.16000M flightstick and TWCS Throttle, but the TFRP rudder pedals) because I figured, with the T.16000M having the twist stick rudder feature, andd the TWCS having the rudder paddles, I wouldn't really have need for the pedals, and that it was just an extra $50 that I really had no need to spend at $189.99 (USD). Now though, I'm actually starting to contemplate getting the pedals after all, but my question still remains, "Is it actually worth it?", even from an immersion standpoint? As you can tell, I'm quite on the fence about it.

I guess, what I'm looking for are some experienced, well-informed thoughts and opinions from owners of not just the Thrustmaster pedals, but those from owners of other brands, as well, just to see a general consensus of whether or not the experience is worth the extra expenditure.

I gamed for a long time on a laptop (I worked on ships, no space for a PC), the first twist stick I owned was a revelation! Time passed, I got a 'real job' back home and finally got a decent gaming rig. Pedals were every bit as much of a revelation, if not more.

My journey's been from (1980s) two button joystick (with a mahusive eight directions available! ;)) through simple analog sticks, through to a force feedback twist stick (Saitek Cyborg 3D Force), a slimline collapsible job and ultimately a Thrustmaster T-Flight X. Lots of joysticks, all pretty good for their time and all great value- most of them still work fine today, in spite of hundreds of hours of cack-handed abuse from yours truly!

My first and only HOTAS was an X-55 Rhino. Brilliant bit of kit and I hear the X-56 is even better. Still 'just' a twist stick, though.

I have the space, so I figured I'd give pedals a go. Unlike the Rhino the pedals were just proof of concept, a toe in the water to see if I'd take to them. There were and are a whole bunch of more expensive options, but Saitek's Pro Flight looked like a decent compromise between price and quality.

It turned out to be one of the best choices I've ever made! :D Don't get me wrong, there are much higher quality products out there. The PF look and feel a bit plasticky, they rattle a bit in use and they have a noisy detente, which used to get a lot of flack on flight sim forums. But they're very comfortable, with big, size adjustable footpads, they're accurate and they've been rock solid reliable.

I kept the twist and the rudder pedals in my key bindings for a while, alternating between them at first. But after a while it just became more natural to use the pedals. So much so that I even steer my SRV with them! [haha]

I honestly can't imagine 'flying' without them.

I appreciate that gaming peripherals aren't cheap. The PF pedals cost me just under a hundred pounds four years ago. But they're still as good as new now, meaning that the relative cost is actually going down each year they're still working. Fifty pounds a year is less than a quid a month, an amount that will drop further the longer they last. The initial outlay is large, but the cost becomes pretty reasonable as long as you continue to use them.

If you try them and find out they're not for you, then the expense is eye watering!

If any of your friends have them, ask for a go, you'll get a pretty strong inkling there and then about whether you really need them. If you're near to a game or trade show it might be worth popping along, most will have dream set ups for flight sims and space games.

The short answer to your question is yes, rudder pedals are absolutely worth having, from an immersion perspective and as a control solution. But whether that's worth enough to throw down fifty bucks on is a question only you can answer.

Hth... :cool:
 
Owing the TFRP pedals and all the Thrustmaster HOTAS controllers I stay with the joystick for a number of reasons.

My PC is used for other profitable business enterprises besides playing ED.
I couldn't get my feet to be as sensitive with the controls as my hands do.
My large tower PC under the desk would have to be relocated.
My pets like to lay in front of my feet. Probably per the warm PC.
Playing for hours I often change body position including the feet in the chair seat.
(Sort of a Lotus position)

I use yaw all the time and two analog thumb sticks on the Logitech X-56 gray really dial
in all six thruster directions of travel. One can yaw left, up thruster, back thruster, and
throttle fwd/rev/50 percent all at the same time.

Note that I am left handed and couldn't conceive of using a HOTAS with a right hand joystick
for years. But taking the plunge and in a few hours my brain figured it out. Now it is natural
and a left hand joystick seems weird. I assume that our brains would also eventually figure
out our feet as well.

If flight immersion is the main priority then they might be worth it. Maybe you could borrow
some from a friend, possibly rent them from a gaming store or wait for a Black Friday sale
in 18 days.

Regards
 
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In my experience, rudder pedals are only an improvement if you get a really nice i.e. expensive set.

I have the TFRP pedals on a second account setup and they are terrible.

On my primary acct, I use Slaw Device pedals. It's not even a comparable experience. The Slaw pedals float on precision bearings and are as accurate as my TM Warthog Stick and Throttle - perhaps even more so.

When I get around to it I'll replace the TFRP pedals with a set of MFG Crosswinds or something of comparable quality.

It makes the whole ED experience a quantum leap improvement - but it ain't cheap.
 
Somewhat related: yes, these things are insanely expensive, yet I for quite a while do consider if I should get some. But I play on an (very comfortable) office chair with rollers. So I am afraid that I'd end up kicking myself through the living room when using pedals.
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So what's the experience of those who play with pedals? Do you need a more "stationary" chair, or are my fears wrong?
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This is why I rate the VKB design highly. It’s well made, good materials, sturdy, incredibly precise, AND it’s an up/down design, thus, works perfectly in an office chair.

This is why I have the VKB and also the Bauer pedals. The VKB works brilliantly for the office chair set up, and the Bauer F3 is perfect for the simpit setup.

The only down side lf the VKB is a lack of toe brakes, but you can’t have it all, and not really essential for ED anyway - it’s only really a thing for US fighters in flight sims like DCS. they do also have a software solution for the toe brakes thing that works fairly well.

I can’t stress enough how good the VKB T-rudders are. I’d by them any day over anything short of money no object gear like Slaw, Baur and the like, but these are all well over double (if not triple) the price of the VKB.

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I feel they are very worth it.

Better sticks tend not to have twist and even if they do, long periods of using your wrist that way is the path to RSI.

You also get another set of axes with the toe breaks on most pedals.

Bad positioning, posture and not taking breaks are the path to RSI, nothing to do with a twist stick.

OP do you space for peddles?
Will you use them for other games?
Can you afford them?

If you're sitting on the fence I wouldn't bother.
 
Yeah.

I even drive the SRV with my feet steering.

I have toes mapped to lateral thrust, but opposite.
So when my right foot is fully extended toe out I am Yawing right and Strafing left.
The original idea was so that I could be circling my target in 3 dimensions - pitch and vertical thrust circling as well as Yaw and sliding left/right thrust circling.
But the reality is that I just got used to it and nothing else makes sense now.

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