Horizons Are Thargoids hostile?

Eleuth · Jul 2, 2017

I know they were in the past. But that was hundreds of years ago., Now the only hostile idiots I see are the humans who are shooting without any reason at an alien vessel. Who is looking around or patrolling around a Thargoid site.
And yes I did see the wreckages of the human fleet. But who started the hostile shooting at that point?
If they are hostile and they show it you have a point of shooting at them but if they are not hostile can we have some gameplay of two species working together?
What do others think?

CMDR Caderyn Abbadon · Jul 2, 2017

Eleuth said:
I know they were in the past. But that was hundreds of years ago., Now the only hostile idiots I see are the humans who are shooting without any reason at an alien vessel. Who is looking around or patrolling around a Thargoid site.
And yes I did see the wreckages of the human fleet. But who started the hostile shooting at that point?
If they are hostile and they show it you have a point of shooting at them but if they are not hostile can we have some gameplay of two species working together?
What do others think?

In my defense, the only interaction button I have mapped is Pew-Pew.

Doookie Shoes · Jul 2, 2017

The Fed ship was a robbery with a signed calling card left behind ... aka signal beacon stating Thargoids Return.

Not sure where you see this as questionable.

Eleuth · Jul 2, 2017

well this galaxy is full with triggerhappy people. Who told you they were hostile. What did the other human ships do? If they look like a lot of players here, well the Thargoids were under fire before they even could say hello.
I don't see why a signal beacon stating the Thargoids return is the same as " and they are hostile, because we didn't do anything."

Doookie Shoes · Jul 2, 2017

Umm.... because a Fed ship carrying Thargoid intel was found destroyed, it's already confirmed that our current technology is zero threat to them.

So not only could the Thargoids take the intel from the Feds effortlessly and without loss of human life, they CHOSE to destroy the defenseless ship and kill everyone, but they made it a point to essentially brag about it and taunt us.

If that's not hostile to you...... There's nothing I could say to you to make you see it.

Eleuth · Jul 2, 2017

nope not yet. Only certain that a lot of people want them to be bad.[yesnod]
Looking for a lot of fighting in the future.
But it was just a fun question. With a request for new gameplay modes other than " pew-pew"
I think it would be great if Thargoids turn out to be bad and good guys. Watch out who you trade with (that sort of questions)
New mission to negotiate, new and strange business, opportunity to buy alien stuff and use it (even alien spaceships)
I would love it.

Trinity Star · Jul 2, 2017

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteSirius/comments/3rvk4z/thargoids_lore/

Marcus Machiavelli · Jul 2, 2017

Hey eleuth. Humans stared this war. Humans shot at the barnacles to get stuff. Human greed did it. We all knew it was a bad idea and we did it anyway.
We are the hostile ones and the galaxy will burn because of us.

Iskariot · Jul 2, 2017

Eleuth said:
I know they were in the past. But that was hundreds of years ago., Now the only hostile idiots I see are the humans who are shooting without any reason at an alien vessel. Who is looking around or patrolling around a Thargoid site.
And yes I did see the wreckages of the human fleet. But who started the hostile shooting at that point?
If they are hostile and they show it you have a point of shooting at them but if they are not hostile can we have some gameplay of two species working together?
What do others think?

I hope their actions show intriguing variation.
And I hope that my actions influence how they will react.
Perhaps they don't attack if we do not deploy weapons.

Eleuth · Jul 3, 2017

Trinity Star said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteSirius/comments/3rvk4z/thargoids_lore/

nice reading. Thanks for the link

Iskariot said:
I hope their actions show intriguing variation.
And I hope that my actions influence how they will react.
Perhaps they don't attack if we do not deploy weapons.

Yep, that was my point.

Marcus Machiavelli said:
Hey eleuth. Humans stared this war. Humans shot at the barnacles to get stuff. Human greed did it. We all knew it was a bad idea and we did it anyway.
We are the hostile ones and the galaxy will burn because of us.

Amen

w3bbo · Jul 3, 2017

The last entry in Drew Wager's 'Thargoid Lore':

Thargoids do appear to be increasingly hostile and are very much present in the Pleiades sector.

This apparent hostility can of course be misinterpreted (which I think was also misinterpreted when we first encountered Thargoids). Its human instinct to shoot first and ask questions later when dealing with something we do not understand. It happened before and you can bet it will happen again. You only have to look at what we are doing now. Shooting UL/UP/UA to get artifacts - what happens if I shoot this...what happens if I shoot that. What happens if I **** off a huge machine by inserting something it would likely find repugnant (Guardian relic)? What happens when I shoot a scavenger? We enter their bases(?) with little regard for the potential damage (contamination or otherwise) yet I've not heard of any CMDR being fired upon without first being aggressive themselves. How many commanders tried shooting the thargoid ship after being interdicted yet sustained no damage in the hyperdiction? It's a sorry state of affairs when we accuse another race of being hostile when we likely invited that hostility through our own (mis)actions.

I put it to you that we have no reason to believe they are hostile. The ships that were destroyed could have been through self defence/preservation. Yet we are going down a road of arrogance again with baseless, unfounded accusations that will ultimately lead to our demise if we do not at least attempt to offer the hand of friendship prior to spewing plasma/laser/projectiles in there general direction.

....that said I'd like nothing more than to get a good 'ol war going with some enhanced/new weaponry....but that's just the human side of me talking.

Doookie Shoes · Jul 3, 2017

I swear I'm losing it here!!! Lol

They did not kill the Feds in self defense when the Feds don't have anything that poses even the slightest threat to them!!

That's like saying you held up a loaf of bread, I shot you in the head, then a witness says "Well in fairness he did take out his bread first" lol

What the hell ppl

w3bbo · Jul 3, 2017

So they weren't carrying information from Palin about the Thargoids then? Rumour has it that the last time the Thargoids were 'defeated' was because they came close to genocide through the mycoid virus. What information was taken from Palin? Was it information crucial to exterminate the Thargoids? We know the result of the interaction between the Thargoids and the Feds but who fired first? It could have even been a false flag operation. Never trust a Fed imo.

Dutchman141 · Jul 3, 2017

Are the Thargoids hostile?
Depends, are they Klaxians? yes definitely, are they Oresians? not by definition.
Let's hope we're dealing with the Oresians first, and that we wont upset them.
If they're Oresians than we should try to form an alliance, we'd have a common enemy, the Klaxians.

Mas s_1nhibited · Jul 3, 2017

To say they are hostile is oversimplification. It depends on their priorities - consider this - where were the feds taking the data? were they even federation at all - its not the first time strict state controlled institutions have been infiltrated by corporations seeking to gain there is a distinct possibility the attack is a fake "terrorist" attack to consolidate federal citizens behind a military industrial complex something which a vast majority of their taxes support - sirius/core dynamics anyone?. If there is a cancer within the federation and they did attack they may have been cutting it out, for the sake of humanity or the equilibrium of the universe.

Many are content to be sheep, is it any wonder these types shoot first ask later.

Marbat · Jul 4, 2017

I think Harry Potter and his gang are behind all this.

cosmo-genesis · Jul 4, 2017

From what i understand of the back story here..... the Thargoids invaded human space, a war ensued and the humans drove the thargoids back, the thargoids then disappeared for some time and now they are back........... i doubt they will return to ask to be cuddle-buddies

if I were launching a invasion i would try to ensure i had everything in place beforehand, such as resupply bases, repair, refuel and re-arm facilities , shipyards ........... i would do this for two reasons 1. i dont have to worry about overstretched supply lines 2. the enemy cannot easliy follow the supply lines back to my homeworlds .............................. how many alien sites are there now ?

PhoenicianSon · Jul 4, 2017

cosmo-genesis said:
From what i understand of the back story here..... the Thargoids invaded human space, a war ensued and the humans drove the thargoids back, the thargoids then disappeared for some time and now they are back........... i doubt they will return to ask to be cuddle-buddies

if I were launching a invasion i would try to ensure i had everything in place beforehand, such as resupply bases, repair, refuel and re-arm facilities , shipyards ........... i would do this for two reasons 1. i dont have to worry about overstretched supply lines 2. the enemy cannot easliy follow the supply lines back to my homeworlds .............................. how many alien sites are there now ?

Well, if you are in the "they may not be hostile" side of the Thargoid argument, we can at least all agree that they are certainly emasculating. Let's break this down... they pull you out of Supercruise, whether you are in a Hauler or an Anaconda, they shut your ship down, scan you, rotate around your ship tormenting you, turn their backside to you, and then SLOWLY exit stage left like they don't have a care in the world, let alone fear that you are going to come after them for disabling your ship (not that you can since the coding is not there for that in the game, but that is besides the point).

Hey, at least they are not scanning or probing you where the sun don't shine. Perhaps that why the "they may not be hostile" crowd is the "they may not be hostile" crowd.

w3bbo · Jul 4, 2017

An alternative appraisal would be they pull you out of hyperspace wondering what you are doing in 'their' backyard. They cut your power so you don't do something stupid like firing on them (which could cause ramifications beyond the CMDRs understanding). Upon realising you are not a threat, they go about their business with no harm done to either party. Yet we still jump to the assumption they are hostile and before a chance for peace is given we are all too happy to greet them with a smile and a frag cannon.

It is claimed that upon first meeting the thargoids a trigger happy fleet CMDR opened fire on a group of their ships that were observing them. Despite this, the thargoid mothership instead of firing on the attacking humans, killed their own either as a sacrifice for peace or to show the humans death means little to them - either way they still did not attack until further into the war, perhaps when hope was lost that humans could understand thargoid culture? Further down the line attempts were (allegedly) made by the thargoids to broker peace again but this was either ignored or misunderstood and thus the war continued. 3 possibilities may explain the thargoids disappearence, 1: They were driven back by INRA pilots 2: they were infected by the Mycoid virus 3: They left of there own accord. Maybe after all this time they are back in the hope we have matured as a race? Maybe they are back for vengeance and domination. IF it were the latter, given their total supremacy in disabling our ships now would be the best time to wipe us out instead of waiting for Palin et al to adjust our weaponary and power plants to be effective vs Thargoids. Yet they have done little to harm us without being provoked first.

JesusRocks1988 · Jul 4, 2017

AAARGH Everything I could possibly say on this subject is a spoiler for Premonition. I don't want to spoil it for anyone, so if you really don't care to read the book, then by all means open the spoiler tags:

I don't think the Thargoids that we are seeing at the moment are overtly hostile towards humans, but they're not looking to make peace with us. The old lore of Oresrians=friendly, Klaxians=hostile isn't going to play out quite that way. We've only seen the Oresrians at the moment, and sure, they're not actively hostile to us, but they're not actually looking for an alliance; they're still incredibly dangerous to humanity in the way they care nothing for us. It's clear they regard us as insignificant - we're simply cover for them to run into while they escape the Klaxians, with whom they are embroiled in a civil war that they are losing.

They're coming to us and making contact only in the hopes that we'll hold the Klaxians off for a significant enough time so they can brave sir robin. They are not our friends and unfortunately if we don't go along with their plan, the entirety of human inhabited space will burn. The best we can hope for is that we'll be able to work with some of the Oresrians against the Klaxians in some sort of loose, mutually beneficial alliance.

Bruises the ego somewhat to know that nothing we've done to their barnacles, probes, scout ships, wreck sites etc... has enraged them or brought their fury to our doorstep; they were already running this way.