Robert Maynard
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.... Scotland has retained its separate legal system since the Union - only comparatively recently, 2009, has the Supreme Court been given an overarching role.
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.... Scotland has retained its separate legal system since the Union - only comparatively recently, 2009, has the Supreme Court been given an overarching role.
TM is talking about increasing Indian visa numbers (what India wants) "if Indians who overstayed their visas in the UK could be returned more swiftly and in greater numbers."
I'm a bit confused, if an Indian citizen overstays their visa, what is stopping the UK from returning them? If we put them on a plane to Delhi would India just send them back to Heathrow?
Why do we need India's agreement or even assistance to return Indian citizens who have overstayed their visas? Surely this is entirely within the responsibility (and current power) of the UK?
Do we currently have an agreement with India, not to return their citizens who overstay?
TM seems to be offering and increase in Indian Visa numbers in return for something we already have?
Can anyone explain
a) how increasing Indian Visa numbers helps reduce immigration
b) If it does, how this is facilitated by leaving the EU
I'm a bit confused, if an Indian citizen overstays their visa, what is stopping the UK from returning them? If we put them on a plane to Delhi would India just send them back to Heathrow?
Why do we need India's agreement or even assistance to return Indian citizens who have overstayed their visas? Surely this is entirely within the responsibility (and current power) of the UK?
Do we currently have an agreement with India, not to return their citizens who overstay?
TM seems to be offering and increase in Indian Visa numbers in return for something we already have?
Can anyone explain
a) how increasing Indian Visa numbers helps reduce immigration
b) If it does, how this is facilitated by leaving the EU
However, the Scottish parliament could pass a legislative consent motion which could technically speaking stop Brexit in it's tracks. It wouldn't stop it, of course, but if the UK parliament runs rough-shod over the Scottish parliament in such a brazen way it's unlikely to be well received up here.
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Interesting.
Especially in light of the "you'll lose EU membership" frighteners used by Project Fear during IndyRef....
Yep.
And, if anything, the political situation in Norn Iron is even more precarious with ceasefire being underwritten by EU, and open border a specific condition.
Oh Wow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299
This is beginning to feel like a case of Brexit and loose the Union or remain and hate the Scots?
It's a win-win solution for the SNP anyway. Brexit and they have a strong case for leaving the union and if remain, then they become scapegoats for whatever happens which might lead to them getting kicked out of the union?
Either way the SNP achieves its ultimate aim of an Independent Scotland.
Not what I would have wanted.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37909299
This is beginning to feel like a case of Brexit and loose the Union or remain and hate the Scots?
It's a win-win solution for the SNP anyway. Brexit and they have a strong case for leaving the union and if remain, then they become scapegoats for whatever happens which might lead to them getting kicked out of the union?
Either way the SNP achieves its ultimate aim of an Independent Scotland.
Not what I would have wanted.
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Again with shooting people who have a different point of view?
We've had 43 years of propaganda from the Leave side, most of it based on lies. Not at any time were people threatened to be shot for saying leave. That's as bad as Farage saying we did this without shots being fired, when they were and we lost an MP because of it.
The people who voted remain have every right to complain, whinge and yell 'I told you so!' when the poop hits the fan and if you want to maintain the UK as a country that values freedom and a country that stands for good in this world (which we fought two world wars to do), then you'll just have to take the criticism and the complaining just like we had to put up with the misinformation and falsehoods from the leavers for 43 years on or more.
'Maintain'. Maintain? Because that's what this country currently stands for. Sure, I believe that.
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The Supreme Court Appeal is scheduled to begin on 5 December - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37913911
All 11 SC Justices is, I think, unprecedented.
All 11 SC Justices is, I think, unprecedented.
Robert Maynard
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.... expect a detailed breakdown in the tabloids as to why each one is biased in some way.
Prepare the popcorn
May will trigger Art 50 regardless of the court appeal which only stopped her calling art 50, the courts are NOT saying we can't trigger ART 50, they are saying a vote must be done by MPs and labour have said this week they will not obstruct Brexit.
If the Scottish Lord Advocate is authorized to intervene in front of the Supreme Court, it will be a thunderclap
It's irrelevant, SNP have said they know it wont stop Brexit. They are trying to delay the calling of ART 50 as they now know Labour will not obstruct the MP vote.
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I beg to differ between Nationalism and Facism.
Nationalism simply means Identifying yourself with your Ethic/National Group.
Something that I am doing as well by the way. After all I am Proud to be European. And if I remember right your doing that as well
Unlike what most people think I am not Patriotic. I am not supporting every Decision of the EU Governments simply because its the Governments Decision.
I am Nationalist here. As I support the EU in itself forming a Group
Not any Decision it makes. ^^Facism and Nationalism are often found together. But they are neither the same nor is Nationalism forcibly going into Facism.
While I am Nationalist for Germany as well as the EU. I am in Favor of Immigration and Accept Cultural Differences.
Unlike Facism. Which defines itself by preserving the Purity of that Group your part off. And thus usually considers anyone else as Inferior.
Nationalism defines itself by supporting the Group your part off. And unlike Facism. Nationalism also often attempts to invite others into that Group.
So pls mind the difference there.
The dictionaries disagree Sunleader.
nationalism
ˈnaʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: nationalism
patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
"an early consciousness of nationalism and pride"
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality; xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism, flag-waving, isolationism;
ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity
"the resurgence of nationalism in Europe and in other parts of the world"
an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
plural noun: nationalisms
"playing with right-wing nationalism"
advocacy of political independence for a particular country.
"Scottish nationalism"
nationalism
ˈnaʃ(ə)n(ə)lɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: nationalism
patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts.
"an early consciousness of nationalism and pride"
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality; xenophobia, chauvinism, jingoism, flag-waving, isolationism;
ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity
"the resurgence of nationalism in Europe and in other parts of the world"
an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
plural noun: nationalisms
"playing with right-wing nationalism"
advocacy of political independence for a particular country.
"Scottish nationalism"
There are different kinds of nationalism though. Scottish nationalism is a civic one, which is inclusive, non-xenophobic and pro-freedom and individual rights. It's the exact polar opposite of the kinds of right-wing nationalism you're not fond of, and which increasingly typify British nationalism.
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