Are we hit the ground or not yet?

Morerators also, and especially. Or we are playing Orwell?



It have absolutely nothing to PvP. Let it go and move on. Dont do pvp if you dont like pvp.

Current ultimate gameplay, no matter pvp, pve, solo, whatever:
1. buy dumbfire for your cobra (even sidey, eagle, viper, whatever, similar efficienty), fly to 17 draconis, take massacre missions
2. relog to 20
3. fly to the base and stop over
4. destroy skimmers by few rockets
5. make relog to respawn them
6. back to point 4 until all missions will complete
7. earn 300 mln in a hour without a risk.

After one or two hours buy the one of most expensive ships in-game, a-rated.

You still want the cutter or vette? Yeshhh!
Then relog federal or empire rank...

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder324/500x/73310324.jpg

So legit...

This game got interesting content last time, what is really worth playing, but this relogo exploit is ruining a sense of playing.

How is that the ultimate gameplay. Sounds boring.
 
didnt have all this nonsence back in the days of mega drives and game genies did we eh?......you know why?

yet again...multiplayer!...damm it to hell.


single player games are where its at for me.....where is our skyrim in space with cool ship flying with ME style animations??!!?

where is it!.....lol


money to be made here game developers
 
didnt have all this nonsence back in the days of mega drives and game genies did we eh?......you know why?

yet again...multiplayer!...damm it to hell.


single player games are where its at for me.....where is our skyrim in space with cool ship flying with ME style animations??!!?

where is it!.....lol


money to be made here game developers

I understand that you want a single elite game, but E:D is a mass-multiplayer game in design and even through there is a solo mode, devs have to focus on all the multiplayer aspects. They decided to make a game like that, they advertised game like that, they sold the game like that.
 
i think they only made it multi to get more peeps on board naturally.....i have played ED in player groups ect......but for a online game its not good enough...4 player wings?
needs more size and scope,and we all know its not a simple task meeting up with a boat load of mates,shouldnt be like that.

for me its like the MP side was tacked on at last minute.


im kinda praying the new mass effect lets one fly the normandy elite style this time and brings back the mako...id be as happy as a pig in...you know what.
 
We had a mining event yesteraday, we had like 25 peeps in one instance with no problem. And sharing this world with other players is wonderful experience. But even 2 peeps in Conflict Zone cause game to freeze... All of the things like instances, reloging and combat logging could be inactual if the base would be done right. But it is not, so we have tons of topics like this, so there is a problem. And even if you think that this problem doesn't affect you, you should't be selfish and ignore that.
 
I think we're close to hitting bottom on the forums, with dull, repetitive, and frankly, flat out wrong, posts like this.

I've been playing for nearly 2 years - I don't "re-log", I don't chaset the latest get rich quick scheme. I'm playing my game at my pace, and enjoying every minute of it. Its just wrong to state that reclogging is required, because it is not.

If other people want to re-log or do whatever, well, that's really none of my business. I think they might be cheating themselves of out some great experiences, but, again, that's none of my business.

And finally, I play in open (although I'm not interested in "PvP"). I rarely even see another commander, when I do, 90% of the time we don't interact at all, and the other 10% of the time they're friendly people. Maybe I've been the luckiest guy in the game for the past 2 years, or maybe these (seemingly mythical) gankers are just drawn to the crowds at whatever system is the regarded as the ATM de jour, but if someone else can get a better ship than me in 1/40 of the time, they're not impacting me, so why do I care?

Here's the thing: It's not the ships or the money that's important, but the amazing experiences this game has to offer. If you chase the first, you'll miss the second.
 
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No, game is forcing them. If you not relog then you are convicted to heavy grind, because relogging is 40 time more efficient.
So casual player need to play 40 hours instead of 1 hour. Only a fool would like to loose his time to grinding 40 hours instead of one.

If newbie or casual have few hours weekly to play, for example, one hour daily, then weekly progress he will achieve after a.. 10 MONTHS!

I'm a fool, then, as I don't relog. I take my time, and I am content with what I have achieved.
 
I think we're close to hitting bottom on the forums, with dull, repetitive, and frankly, flat out wrong, posts like this.

I've been playing for nearly 2 years - I don't "re-log", I don't chaset the latest get rich quick scheme. I'm playing my game at my pace, and enjoying every minute of it. Its just wrong to state that reclogging is required, because it is not.

If other people want to re-log or do whatever, well, that's really none of my business. I think they might be cheating themselves of out some great experiences, but, again, that's none of my business.

And finally, I play in open (although I'm not interested in "PvP"). I rarely even see another commander, when I do, 90% of the time we don't interact at all, and the other 10% of the time they're friendly people. Maybe I've been the luckiest guy in the game for the past 2 years, or maybe these (seemingly mythical) gankers are just drawn to the crowds at whatever system is the regarded as the ATM de jour, but if someone else can get a better ship than me in 1/40 of the time, they're not impacting me, so why do I care?

Here's the thing: It's not the ships or the money that's important, but the amazing experiences this game has to offer. If you chase the first, you'll miss the second.

This.

Plus, some people whine about how you can buy the best ship in an afternoon and the next thread is about how the game is ruined because <insert the op prefered way to "game" the game to get rich fast> is nerfed.
 
What utter rot.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.
Just trying to justify your own inane obsession with what everybody else is doing for fun.

And all this maths and facts malarkey means nothing when the game is built on RNG.
One person's relog to acquire 20 missions is another person's patience in acquiring 20 missions without relog and yet again is another person's struggle to get 5 missions regardless of relog.

OP you're talking out of your Donkeys cousin and flogging the dead horse beyond recognition.

Give it up. Go away. Find something else to do.
 
I am thinking, are we hit the ground or not yet?

1. One of most expensive ships in game can be obtained by 2 hours gameplay
2. If you want do whatever in game you need to relogging. Log in and out to the game. Want missions? relog. Want respawn skimmers? Relog. Want respawn gems? relog.
3. Anytime any player can avoid rebuy cost.. through the what? Through the relogo ofcourse
4. If you want to play the game, space sim, and you want to achieve whatever, a bit better ship, some money then you have no chances in comprasition with relogo folks.
5. If you point above then someone will appear in a speed of light and will say:
a) money making is still slow and rebuy is high.. 300 mln/hour is not enough
b) elite is not a competetive game? (really?)
c) he want to play a game what he want so he want everything NOW.
d) you are not forced to relogo (yay, really? relogo is 40 times more efficient)

Now i am asking, are we just hit the bottom yesterday, or not and game mecanics will 'surprise' us few more times, or we are digging a slit now?

1. Obtained this way by grinding heavily instead of enjoying the game and then coming to the forums to complain about the grind and the lack of depth of the game
2. You need to do no such thing, self imposed grind strikes again.
3. I have no answer for combat logging, but I'm pretty sure it's not an intended feature...
4. It's not a race. There is no endgame, a good player in a small ship can take on anything and anyone...
5. a) Money making scales with your ship capabilities. It's not a fixed value. And when that non fixed value is too high then the people can't enjoy what the game has to offer because they bee line to the most expensive ship in the game and then come to the forums to complain about the grind and the lack of depth of the game.
b) Elite is a competitive game if you make it one. That's what PvP'ers do, that's what griefers try to force upon people who then go to Mobius or solo to enjoy the non competitive aspects of the game.
c) People rushing towards what they perceive as the end goal is a problem. But not a problem caused
by the devs...
d) Why look for efficiency ! IT'S NOT A JOB ! IT'S A VIDEO GAME ! ENJOY THE JOURNEY !

Tl;dr: People are offered an entire ocean filled with wildlife and they take a boat to the nearest island and complain that there is nothing to see...
 
Jesus, Kyokushin, do you really have to start another thread about this? All I ever see you post is (I'm paraphrasing) "relogo kills the game". We know you don't like it, you can stop screaming now.

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[...]All of the things like instances, reloging and combat logging could be inactual if the base would be done right. But it is not, so we have tons of topics like this, so there is a problem.

The advantage of such a base is that if ever Frontier decides to stop supporting ED, it could be possible to host private servers much easier since a bunch of the work is done locally and through P2P. I think it is both a disadvantage and an advantage, depending on the context.
 
Wait just a minute...Kyokushin, I feel like I've read these complaints before...are you relogging your complaint about relogging?

Of course. I am relogging. Its 40 times more efficient than classic grind. I am playing fully *legit* mechanics. It will be a hypocrycy to talking about something without any clue, right? I am doing that as everybody, and in my opinion that should not be a part of gameplay.

We all should just dock to the station, take well/reasonable paid missions, then fly and play, instead of browsing game menu.

P.S. I am also ganking sometimes, you can read more about it here... its also fully legit :D

Yes, we are in the complaining loop, so you will se that at least few times more in other topics.

d) Why look for efficiency ! IT'S NOT A JOB ! IT'S A VIDEO GAME ! ENJOY THE JOURNEY !

People. Stop telling others how they should play.

I am not telling you how you should play. I would to have possibility to play may way as i like without browsing menu.
You can always browse menu in infinite loop if you like, even if FD fix relogo.
So fix is not changing your gameplay.
 
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Instead of playing in the most efficient way, simply play in the way that you enjoy most.
By getting end ships you're setting yourself up for being bored - Enjoy the journey, not the destination.
 
Good news for you Kyokushin we know FD is aware of combat logging as a problem.

We know FD can sort of detect it and they added one partial fix already a 15 second delay on ship removal.

Why not thread readers suggest a cure?

What are the options?, and don't start on the central server monthly fee route as that's a non starter.

my suggestions....

Any form of logging unntended or real and cheating commanders get moved to solo for 1 day.

or

Re logging on takes a long time if suspicious activity detected.

or

15 second delay time extended to 60 seconds.

or what.... any ideas?
 
No, game is forcing them. If you not relog then you are convicted to heavy grind, because relogging is 40 time more efficient.
So casual player need to play 40 hours instead of 1 hour. Only a fool would like to loose his time to grinding 40 hours instead of one.

If newbie or casual have few hours weekly to play, for example, one hour daily, then weekly progress he will achieve after a.. 10 MONTHS!

If one enjoys the game, then those 40 hours are not lost if the point of the time is to be enjoying what they do.

If someone spend 10 hours looking for Geysers but finds none, but enjoys the time spend and vistas seems, is it lost time. It is a game after all, it is recreation.

Don't confuse Have to to Want to if that xx million an hour is their how they want to play.
 
Well, Relogging is a legit exploit thru the game progress anywhere in the game; combat, missions or as re-spawn trigger most people will use relogging if the game allows it to easy up the grinding process, because this game designed as a unbalanced time sink not a fun gameplay.Sorry whiteknights.
 
Instead of playing in the most efficient way, simply play in the way that you enjoy most.
By getting end ships you're setting yourself up for being bored - Enjoy the journey, not the destination.

I am playing, but it require relogging. So in one hand i am doing what i like, but to play what i like, i need to do what i do not like - browse the menu to log in and log out.

I am not confusing have to want. My style of play is connected with rebuys, it require money. I cant get money through involving missions, or exploration of strange new worlds, because getting few rebuys will take eons.
And to be clear - i am very like exploration.

To have a ships, weapons, rebuys, i need money, and relogging is 40 time more efficient than any other way of earning money.

There is no big quest like take a wing, kill the boss, take the money, or got to somerwhere, for example take passenger, and earn good money. No. If you want good money, then you are forced to stack it and kill skimmers with dumbfires.

There is a lot of things to do in game, a lot of interesting missions (yes, they are fine, i did a lot of them), however passing through the 'gameplay' is just not profitable. You can do it as an 'news', something 'for you', but you cannot get reasonable money by it.

Money are not big deal for me here, because i am stacking missions, but instead of stacking and killing skimmers i would like to do something more, something interesting, not horribly repetetive, and something in-game, connected with being starship commander, not something outside a game like accessing to the game in infinite loop.
 
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