Are you upset about the Mobius attack? Are you unhappy about the dev response? Then embrace the Ides of March!
This is a call for people that want to play 'their way' to stand up and be counted!
Stop playing Elite: Dangerous or Elite: Horizons during the week of March 15th, 2016 (3/12-3/19) State your intentions and reasons below.
Publically declare a stance against the griefing of other players, demand a way to prevent this from occurring so that people can play in a real PvE environment..and show FDev how much of their community cares about this problem. Make the galaxy a truly empty place for a week!
For this to succeed we will need a full marketing blitz through all channels used to show off the greatness of this game we all love!
Streamers on YouTube and Twitch..play something else that week...and explain to your audience your reasoning!
If you think it is high time to set this problem straight..show FDev that you are willing to walk away from this game over this problem.
A PvE group should not have to 'suck up' PvP damage because of people crashing their party. PvP should not be able to occur within that environment at all.
Let's show the game what community backed Meta-game/emergent gameplay really looks like.
If you disagree..please carry your discussion over to this thread (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=233922&p=3593702&viewfull=1#post3593702)
...I know it will be divisive and want both sides to be heard...but I want ot keep this thread as clean as possible. Please Do NOT use this thread to argue against the idea. I will ask the mods to keep this thread as clean as possible to only allow it's use as a sign up with a simple statement as to why any player or group will be taking this week away from the game.
Just adding this here so folks can see this exchange.
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Thanks for jumping in Zac. The first highlight is the problem. It should be against the rules. Players, particularly in Mobius' group (but many others also), have decided to avoid Open because they find the gameplay going against what they desire within the game...and many have been told to go there, specifically by the PVP crowd, to avoid the problems they have with Open. Now the PVP crowd has a shooting gallery available any time they want it...with the express purposes of collecting tears.
Now we have PVP groups who are purposely targeting these PVE groups with apparently long term plans to continue to do so. I am happy to hear you guys are not condoning this play...and yet, you are doing nothing to prevent it. Groups are admitted to the game with the express understanding they do so at FDev's whim. Wouldn't this type of play warrant a removal of the group from the galaxy map? However, in the end, what would that accomplish? Nothing. The group will still exist and still be able to carry out their plans. Basically, short of removing all the known 'bad actor' players from the game...there really is nothing that FDev can do to punish these silly actions.
There have been many folks discussing this issue in these forums, realized the above, and showing the need for some system to allow the PvE players protection to play their way...to not have to lose in game time to someone whose only goal is to harm others in such a manner.
This action now has brought the problem to the fore. There is no real good way to show the devs how this would break using forum polling. So my suggestion, a week long boycott would be a way for a silent/private vote to show no one but the devs the extent of the problem. It has never been my intention to claim a 'victory' or 'loss'...though it is obvious some will do that. However, the numbers will be seen by those that track such things, and you guys can have a real gauge to go by.
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3/11/2016
Zac posted this, today, just so folks that might have missed it https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237761&p=3667897&viewfull=1#post3667897
Hi everyone,
In light of recent issues relating to the way a small collective of players have been approaching and targeting specific private groups and other community events such as charity livestreams, we wanted to reinforce an important part of the existing rules regarding in-game harassment that every player agrees to when creating their account.
We wanted to reiterate some examples regarding the rules of Player harassment. If a player has been blocked from a private group, or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly. Attempting to re-establish contact with an individual who has blocked a player through secondary accounts or other methods of attempting to evade the block are against the rules. Action can and will be taken against both the accounts in question and the main accounts of players that we deem to be harassing players through this method.
In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above.
We have previously stated, and it remains true, that Frontier are not able to manage group specific rules. Players considered to be breaking these group rule sets as established by group moderators should be removed from those groups by said moderators. In addition, running a livestream in Open does invite the potential for players to approach and impact your gameplay and running a livestream in which you are declaring war on another group and they come and take action against you is reasonable and should be expected.
Ultimately it’s about context. The support team can and will review these kinds of offences and will be taking action against accounts that set their entire purpose on harassing players and groups in this way. They are currently investigating a number of incidents and will be dealing directly with any parties involved.
The Frontier Support team take the protection and safety of the community very seriously, they strive to ensure that the game remains fair and friendly. If you feel the need to report an incident, please do get in contact with support via our support site at https://support.frontier.co.uk - please include as much detail of the event as possible.
You can see a copy of the rules that everyone signs up to by creating an account, including harassment, here:
https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/
Thanks for reading.
This is a call for people that want to play 'their way' to stand up and be counted!
Stop playing Elite: Dangerous or Elite: Horizons during the week of March 15th, 2016 (3/12-3/19) State your intentions and reasons below.
Publically declare a stance against the griefing of other players, demand a way to prevent this from occurring so that people can play in a real PvE environment..and show FDev how much of their community cares about this problem. Make the galaxy a truly empty place for a week!
For this to succeed we will need a full marketing blitz through all channels used to show off the greatness of this game we all love!
Streamers on YouTube and Twitch..play something else that week...and explain to your audience your reasoning!
If you think it is high time to set this problem straight..show FDev that you are willing to walk away from this game over this problem.
A PvE group should not have to 'suck up' PvP damage because of people crashing their party. PvP should not be able to occur within that environment at all.
Let's show the game what community backed Meta-game/emergent gameplay really looks like.
Just adding this here so folks can see this exchange.
**************************************************************************************************************************
Thanks for jumping in Zac. The first highlight is the problem. It should be against the rules. Players, particularly in Mobius' group (but many others also), have decided to avoid Open because they find the gameplay going against what they desire within the game...and many have been told to go there, specifically by the PVP crowd, to avoid the problems they have with Open. Now the PVP crowd has a shooting gallery available any time they want it...with the express purposes of collecting tears.
Now we have PVP groups who are purposely targeting these PVE groups with apparently long term plans to continue to do so. I am happy to hear you guys are not condoning this play...and yet, you are doing nothing to prevent it. Groups are admitted to the game with the express understanding they do so at FDev's whim. Wouldn't this type of play warrant a removal of the group from the galaxy map? However, in the end, what would that accomplish? Nothing. The group will still exist and still be able to carry out their plans. Basically, short of removing all the known 'bad actor' players from the game...there really is nothing that FDev can do to punish these silly actions.
There have been many folks discussing this issue in these forums, realized the above, and showing the need for some system to allow the PvE players protection to play their way...to not have to lose in game time to someone whose only goal is to harm others in such a manner.
This action now has brought the problem to the fore. There is no real good way to show the devs how this would break using forum polling. So my suggestion, a week long boycott would be a way for a silent/private vote to show no one but the devs the extent of the problem. It has never been my intention to claim a 'victory' or 'loss'...though it is obvious some will do that. However, the numbers will be seen by those that track such things, and you guys can have a real gauge to go by.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
3/11/2016
Zac posted this, today, just so folks that might have missed it https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237761&p=3667897&viewfull=1#post3667897
Hi everyone,
In light of recent issues relating to the way a small collective of players have been approaching and targeting specific private groups and other community events such as charity livestreams, we wanted to reinforce an important part of the existing rules regarding in-game harassment that every player agrees to when creating their account.
We wanted to reiterate some examples regarding the rules of Player harassment. If a player has been blocked from a private group, or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly. Attempting to re-establish contact with an individual who has blocked a player through secondary accounts or other methods of attempting to evade the block are against the rules. Action can and will be taken against both the accounts in question and the main accounts of players that we deem to be harassing players through this method.
In addition taking action such as seeking out and targeting specific players purely for the purpose of being disruptive, to cause offence, or to upset players within the community can also be considered harassment. A perfect example of this is deliberately attempting to disrupt public livestreams such as the charity ones mentioned before. This includes, but is not limited to, the capturing of footage and releasing it publically in an attempt to create upset or gain notoriety through the actions listed above.
We have previously stated, and it remains true, that Frontier are not able to manage group specific rules. Players considered to be breaking these group rule sets as established by group moderators should be removed from those groups by said moderators. In addition, running a livestream in Open does invite the potential for players to approach and impact your gameplay and running a livestream in which you are declaring war on another group and they come and take action against you is reasonable and should be expected.
Ultimately it’s about context. The support team can and will review these kinds of offences and will be taking action against accounts that set their entire purpose on harassing players and groups in this way. They are currently investigating a number of incidents and will be dealing directly with any parties involved.
The Frontier Support team take the protection and safety of the community very seriously, they strive to ensure that the game remains fair and friendly. If you feel the need to report an incident, please do get in contact with support via our support site at https://support.frontier.co.uk - please include as much detail of the event as possible.
You can see a copy of the rules that everyone signs up to by creating an account, including harassment, here:
https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/
Thanks for reading.
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