Are you upset about the Mobius attack? Are you unhappy about the dev response? Then embrace the Ides of March!

[Jockey79]

I think, honestly, that constructive dialogue into adding a PVE flag to private groups, and to improve private group management, would have a very positive affect on the game. Don't you?

No.

As that still leaves the group at the mercy of 1 person.
Even if Mobius could set a PvE flag - if he gets bored with Elite and walks away, then what?
Did you read your EULA, the bit about "non-transferable licence"? He goes, the group goes with his account.

And while I wish him good health and a long life..... we all end up as worm food sooner or later, so then what happens to the Mobius Group?
Because if Frontier are going to keep it going for what ever reason - they might as well just add a real PvE mode now and save everyone the time and trouble later on of messing about.

So while I do appreciate what Mobius is doing, I'm going to firmly cast my vote on a real PvE mode.

 

[Mohrgan]

So I guess RP Pirates are out of luck then? "Sorry guys, NPC tedium only from now on.."

Nope. They can happily go about pirating in open. There is no reason why a player shouldn't be able to decide when they are open to PvP, and when they are not.

 

[kofeyh]

So I guess RP Pirates are out of luck then? "Sorry guys, NPC tedium only from now on.."

No, you get rivers of salt. You will have salt. And you will like it.

I expect that PGs would be folded into a single PVE duplicate of open. Something has to give (either frontiers wallet, or the PGs) to fund the extra servers required.

 

[Lateralus]

Nope. They can happily go about pirating in open. There is no reason why a player shouldn't be able to decide when they are open to PvP, and when they are not.

Why would any traders fly in Open if they have Open PvE to go to? There won't be any...

 

[Siobhan]

So I guess RP Pirates are out of luck then? "Sorry guys, NPC tedium only from now on.."

*shrug* Find people to RP with and have fun. There ARE people out there who don't mind being targets for RP pirates. They've said as much on this very forum, and so will be likely to stay with you, or to join you in a group where Piracy is encouraged but not mindless murder... and it IS mindless.

If it wasn't for a few bad apples spoiling it, then maybe PVP wouldn't have such a bad rep, but there is no self-regulation. You don't oust the trolls and griefers, and they are turning this game into "Eve with cockpits", as people have described it.

Do the pirates tears rank to much higher than PVEers that you feel you have some right to prey on people who want nothing to do with you? If so, then you're no better than the griefers and we have nothing more to discuss.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Why would any traders fly in Open if they have Open PvE to go to? There won't be any...

Considering there are people trading in open right now even tought they don't have to I would asume there are reasons.

 

[kofeyh]

No.

As that still leaves the group at the mercy of 1 person.
Even if Mobius could set a PvE flag - if he gets bored with Elite and walks away, then what?
Did you read your EULA, the bit about "non-transferable licence"? He goes, the group goes with his account.

And while I wish him good health and a long life..... we all end up as worm food sooner or later, so then what happens to the Mobius Group?
Because if Frontier are going to keep it going for what ever reason - they might as well just add a real PvE mode now and save everyone the time and trouble later on of messing about.

So while I do appreciate what Mobius is doing, I'm going to firmly cast my vote on a real PvE mode.

You must have missed the bit where I said improve group management. PVE duplicate of open, means either Frontier has to open their wallet, or potentially fold PG servers into this new game mode.

Someone/ something has to pay for the resources needed to support a large scale set of PVE instances, and I can absolutely bet, it's not the people asking for it - funny that, hey.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So I guess RP Pirates are out of luck then? "Sorry guys, NPC tedium only from now on.."

I do sympathise with your concern, but consider it's not a player's concern how other players are influenced by their decision. Not wanting players to have the option they would prefer because it would influence your own game negatively, is not really their concern if you catch my drift.

 

[Comrade Error]

No.

As that still leaves the group at the mercy of 1 person.
Even if Mobius could set a PvE flag - if he gets bored with Elite and walks away, then what?
Did you read your EULA, the bit about "non-transferable licence"? He goes, the group goes with his account.

And while I wish him good health and a long life..... we all end up as worm food sooner or later, so then what happens to the Mobius Group?
Because if Frontier are going to keep it going for what ever reason - they might as well just add a real PvE mode now and save everyone the time and trouble later on of messing about.

So while I do appreciate what Mobius is doing, I'm going to firmly cast my vote on a real PvE mode.

If he goes then he goes bye bye Mobius. Who cares? Somebody else might try to take over. Not like Mobius has exclusive rights on making a huge PvE group.

 

[SnowyNI]

It's going to end up another "He said, she said" chat about do we need a pve only place/server/p2p thingymabob.
Seems like the pvpers don't want to loose their in open free meals and their infiltrated jollies, while the pvers (if their hands are forced) will just go to their own private groups, solo or just plain quit (which is ofc bad for FD and everyone in the long run.. no mun, no fun! and all that jive talk).
At the end of the day the FD reply was laughable at best, and so there is going to be a strike by "some" of us pvers as we feel betrayed (well, I do (again)).
I guess some people just want to watch the world burn, and I'm happy to buy you's the petrol if needed.
Some keep saying "man up!", I think it's FD that need to man up and stop bowing down the these knuckle draggers that have them at gunpoint (let us kill all the seals we want and give them nothing or we'll quit (opposed to a mere strike action) they huffed and puffed before and got handed a shiney station and God knows what free perks!).
Only time will tell *passes the ticking parcel*.

 

[kofeyh]

*shrug* Find people to RP with and have fun. There ARE people out there who don't mind being targets for RP pirates. They've said as much on this very forum, and so will be likely to stay with you, or to join you in a group where Piracy is encouraged but not mindless murder... and it IS mindless.

If it wasn't for a few bad apples spoiling it, then maybe PVP wouldn't have such a bad rep, but there is no self-regulation. You don't oust the trolls and griefers, and they are turning this game into "Eve with cockpits", as people have described it.

Do the pirates tears rank to much higher than PVEers that you feel you have some right to prey on people who want nothing to do with you? If so, then you're no better than the griefers and we have nothing more to discuss.

Can you explain the dozens of Type-9's, Cutters, Type-6's and what not that recently took part in the slave freedom CG, in open? Presumably they chose to do so, for RP purposes?

Maybe it's because Open is a challenge, that PVE doesn't have? People. Maybe some people are just crazy? Who knows. I sure don't!

There is more to PVP than mindless murder, though; that is a bit of over-simplification. It's always dangerous ground to speak on behalf of many, by using assumptive reasoning. I have my reasons for being in Open, I'm sure many others do too - not all of them will be the same. Again, that's not really up to one person to decide here on the forums, for everyone else, hey.

Yes, a dedicated PVE mode is an interesting idea. Probably makes a lot of PGs redundant, and perhaps some of that can be folded in to carry this new dedicated mode. Then again some PGs may be used for combat practice. Or by people who want to just hang out with close friends. Again; reasons that are almost certainly varied.

But I think asking for this (PVE) can be done, quite comfortably, without resorting to putting all PVP and any such encounter into the same box as some kind of justification. No offence.

 

[Sapient6]

So I guess RP Pirates are out of luck then? "Sorry guys, NPC tedium only from now on.."

I think you're wrong about this. The people who want no pvp interaction at all are already avoiding you in one way or another. Either they're in private groups, or they're in solo, or they're going to combat log when you interdict them.

In other games with distinct pvp and pve modes, the pvp modes are almost always the most popular. I think what you'll get is a slightly diminished population in the pvp open, but every trader there will be at least marginally interested in pvp. I fully expect this would improve the game for you.

It would improve it for groups like SDC as well. With a much larger pool of pve folks collecting in one open mode, it would be much easier to find people to grief (let's not fool ourselves into thinking a motivated griefer won't find a way to get his jollies).

 

[Wavey]

They had designed Offline which later became Solo after that it was the idea if you wanted player versus environment you went into that, they never had planned for a large amount of players to cluster together, which i salute the work of mobius as an ambassador, its why he doesn't play as "mobius" now.

The idea of a private group wasn't to destroy the community, it was a way for people to say oh bro lets go play here together for a while or to teach people the ropes, the issue ive seen is its made so many people soft.

I find a lot of the players here think they are worth the world because they are alpha backers or beta backers thinking none of the Open or more PvP crowd are many of us are alpha backers, I want to see a game were the environment is hard if the environment is weak as it is then its not Player versus Environment, the issue is the Players aren't seperate from the Environment, we are part of the Environment so no matter what you do you upset someone, which is why I feel that Players should be able to affect each other, those play criminals should be treated as such in systems, those angering corporations should be treated as such etc.

He does play as Mobius .I have seen him many times ."soft" ? Not wishing to have others enforce their gameplay on me is not "soft"

 

[excalibus]

No, you get rivers of salt. You will have salt. And you will like it.

I expect that PGs would be folded into a single PVE duplicate of open. Something has to give (either frontiers wallet, or the PGs) to fund the extra servers required.

and that my friend is a arguement... wanna know why??? Because yes there would be transitions from group to open PVE, but there would not be any need for more servers as such

The total number of instances might increase marginally but it could equally decrease marginally... There would be less instances being created for groups as there would be less population in them and those players in the PVE open mode would populate instances that where previously being populated by the groups they moved over from and would be reaching closer to optimum density load than they would being spread across different groups and solo... So groups could well co-exist without a problem while the total instances would change up or down marginally from what there is already...

 

[Drink!]

This is my safe space!
You can't hurt me in it!!!!

Sorry, but this whole thing is childish. No one said Mobius was officially a PVE group, people were just all in agreeance to not PVP.
Now that people have broken that agreement, not a rule, people want others banned and want to protest.

If people want soft nerf mode, give it to them.

 

[Muetdhiver]

but every trader there will be at least marginally interested in pvp.

Why ?

The trader is only there to loose, so... what is the point ?

 

[Mohrgan]

In other games with distinct pvp and pve modes, the pvp modes are almost always the most popular. I think what you'll get is a slightly diminished population in the pvp open, but every trader there will be at least marginally interested in pvp. I fully expect this would improve the game for you.

In a recent thread this was proven to be a wrong assumption. UO lost most of it's PvP server to the PvE one, when it was introduced. In WoW, the PvP servers don't even crack the top 10 in terms of population, and the PvP servers show a decided imbalance of players to one side or the other of the split. Showing that many who go to PvP servers wish to hid in the larger more powerful faction. You just cannot prove your statement here.

P.S. I patently refuse to search the forums for a link. You can't prove your assertion either.

 

[Siobhan]

Can you explain the dozens of Type-9's, Cutters, Type-6's and what not that recently took part in the slave freedom CG, in open? Presumably they chose to do so, for RP purposes?

Maybe it's because Open is a challenge, that PVE doesn't have? People. Maybe some people are just crazy? Who knows. I sure don't!

There is more to PVP than mindless murder, though; that is a bit of over-simplification. It's always dangerous ground to speak on behalf of many, by using assumptive reasoning. I have my reasons for being in Open, I'm sure many others do too - not all of them will be the same. Again, that's not really up to one person to decide here on the forums, for everyone else, hey.

Yes, a single PVE mode, is an interesting idea. Probably makes a lot of PGs redundant, and perhaps some of that can be folded in to carry this new dedicated mode. But I think asking for this, can be done, quite comfortably, without resorting to putting all PVP and any such encounter into the same box. No offence.

Of course there are traders in open... that's what I meant. Not everyone wants to avoid them.

And yes, I over simplified...
PVP has extremes... on the one hand, the fun loving RP pirates who take a %age and go... or occasionally nothing if the victim is really not into it...
On the other, you have the 4-on-1 gankers who give no warning and only ever pick on people with no hope of mounting a defence.

For sure there are people in between, and I wish them well... They are the people best equipped to rid us of groups like SDC and their ilk.

As you said, a dedicated PVE mode is unlikely to worry them, since for the most part they are having fun space battles against fairly evenly matched opponents rather than attempting to harvest salt from those who'd rather not be there.

 

[Lateralus]

I do sympathise with your concern, but consider it's not a player's concern how other players are influenced by their decision. Not wanting players to have the option they would prefer because it would influence your own game negatively, is not really their concern if you catch my drift.

No it's not, but it is Frontier's Ziggy, as they have to be careful not to upset large portions of the playerbase. I realize there is a large movement for the PvE mode - but Frontier have to consider how those changes affect everybody rather than just those who want the option added.

Before anything drastic is done, FD should improve the group admin features - this might satisfy large sections of the complainants.

 

[Sapient6]

Why ?

The trader is only there to loose, so... what is the point ?

A trader who is grinding and doesn't want to lose already has the tools at his disposal to never lose to another player. Right now. Without any changes.

Somehow pirates are able to interdict player traders anyway. Why?