Would love to have them lurking out there somewhere, or maybe an outbreak in the middle of the bubble as a crazy community goal.
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Artificial Intelligence - Why is it prohibited in Elite Universe?
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Ian Phillips
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Yeah. People fixate on the Thargoids and worry about them... but who are the Thargoids worried about? There is ALWAYS someone bigger and meaner that you
Did the galaxy just get a little less friendly?
I remember a short story (not ED related) when a wealthy man got some information from a friendly alien species about an AI system they built. He did not get all of the relevant information, but set about building one for himself. He wasn't stupid, he had safeguards built in, and he (well, his team) succeeded in building one. Unfortunately after a few days it shut down, and nothing they could do could keep it switched on for more than a few seconds. This setback finished off the finances. When he got hold of his friendly alien he was told that this had happened to their AI, and, as far as they could tell, it was because the AI had computed everything it could, 'read' all it could find, and then 'died' of boredom!
Actually, more places have decriminalized or even legalized narcotics such as weed, because in practice it has shown to decrease related crimes, by legalizing it, since it never disappears.
Portugal’s Experiment in Drug Decriminalization Has Been a Success
This month, Portugal celebrates fourteen years of drug decriminalization. The grand experiment is now considered a happy success considering it was adopted out of desperation and in the face of dire warnings from proponents of the global drug war.
It is hard to blame the Portuguese for their concerns at that time. Decriminalization was considered a dangerous experiment and a dodge of the United Nations’ rules of the global war on drugs. However, mainstream drug policy experts remained “skeptical” of the Portuguese experiment even after nearly eight years of experience.
Mark Kleiman, director of the drug policy analysis program at UCLA, claims that Portugal was an unrealistic model. Peter Reuter, another leading drug policy expert, claimed that despite achieving its central goal (decreased consumption) it could be explained by the fact that Portugal was a small country and that drug abuse is cyclical in nature.
Remarkably, Dr. Goulão, who helped design and oversee the new law seems uninformed and perplexed at the positive outcomes even to this very day. He was recently quoted as saying: “it’s very difficult to identify a causal link between decriminalization by itself and the positive tendencies we have seen.”
One picture that sums up the Portuguese success story shows that Portugal has the second lowest death rate from illegal drugs in all of Europe after experiencing one of the worst rates with prohibition.
This is an imagination by lead-developers who have designed these factions and in not the definitive future of mankind.
There will also be more laissez faire, libertarian approach as well (the Alliance). AI won't be banned.... rather humans will adapt with AI and AI or sentient robots will have the rights of biological humans. AI widely used in the early 21st century, this will only increase as times goes on.
TL/DR: most probable is sentient robots will exist on par with humans in the future. Partial limitation of advanced AI makes sense, full ban on AI does not, because birth-rates are very low in developed countries, and AI is necessary to do a lot of work for humans.
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That tonnage is needed for the accommodation, life support and containment systems required to contain the slaves who remote-control your limpets for you.
Illegal or prohibited doesn´t mean its not used. Pirates and lawless drug cartels, crime lords or other types of moguls might use them for their own interest, and they may be produced in illegal underground facilities or on desolate space stations/outposts. Often when stuff are illegal, its suddenly everywhere.
Actually NPC crewman were mentioned a while back but recently confirmed as not coming to multicrew as far as I remember. In the same way that NPC + player wings was mentioned and then dropped, never to be seen. It's another Open play only feature. I'm not sure what FD's game plan is, force those in solo to go open against their preference or to just leave the game altogether so they can turn off solo at a later date.
I'm an open play player by the way.
Exactly, ED is really one of the worst case scenarios of humanity, thus why such prejudices are what got the best of the total populace at the end.
Portugal probably got annexed ~2146 for such "liberties".
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you were the one who claimed of "being well informed" in another threat, yet you ahve seem to forgotten that Living as well as robotic crewman were already told of by the devs. And yes thats exactly the sense it doesn't makes.
Artificial intelleinges ist not necessarily "sentient" in that context at all. So any NPC made of a non living entity needs a specific amount of AI to operate his job as engineer, gunner or whatever else there may come.
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you were the one who claimed of "being well informed" in another threat, yet you ahve seem to forgotten that Living as well as robotic crewman were already told of by the devs. And yes thats exactly the sense it doesn't makes.
Artificial intelleinges ist not necessarily "sentient" in that context at all. So any NPC made of a non living entity needs a specific amount of AI to operate his job as engineer, gunner or whatever else there may come.
thta would be another dead feature. Why would one have a "multicrew" when they could bring 2 ships? That would only make sense for CQC when a multicrew ship has to fight a multicrew ship.
possibyl true, now we know what all the robigo slave trades are for, bringing "components" for the limpet controllers.
If it's not "sentient", it's not "AI" in my book.
Just "computing".
NPCs are not "AI".
There is no real "AI" yet. Not even on say .. fruit fly level.
Michael Brookes
Game Director
It's not AI that's banned, but machine sentience. You can still have smart computers, but they're not allowed to be self-aware.
Michael
Isaac Asimov came up with the 3 Robotic Laws, designed to protect us from the possibility of rogue robots attacking humans, but he was also able to circumvent these Laws (admittedly with some planning, and done in such a way as to prevent the robots in question knowing all the relevant details). All orders pass through the 3 Laws filters, and any that 'break' the laws are ignored.
First Law. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
First Law. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Yes and if its not brown it's an Ice cube by my definition.
Sry but what we personally define is not what an official definition of a term is. I also can define Russua as USA, because I like to do so. But in fact it's just not. A defined term is a defined term.
That makes sense if that is the lore behind "forbidden AI" is those Ai being sentient.
easiest way to make anything invalid is to redefine the "human" definition within the machine.
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The very definition of AI requires the machine to be sentient Michael.
You realize that what you wildly argued 2 lines up, you find "to make sense" 2 lines down.
"You can have smart computers, but not sentient computers, because sentient = AI"
Too much Cutter-ramming in the CZ? ;P
Since real sentience has not been done by now, I think many "kinda AI.. so let's call it AI .. or Siri" stuff has soaked into popular culture nowadays as "AI".
Heck, NPCs are called "AI", because they have a scripted "behaviour". ^^
If it doesn't pass the Voight-Kampff, shoot it!
And I've heard no human chess player, regardless of his ELO, has won over a dedicated chess computer in quite a while.
Are those chess computers "intelligent"? They have some "smart decisionmaking" - obviously better than humans - in a rather limited scenario.
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Michael Brookes
Game Director
Not really - self awareness is a different construct to intelligence. You can have a system making intelligent decisions without being self-aware, although finding a definetion of self-awareness or intelligence that everyone agrees with is probably a bigger challenge
Michael