Artificial Intelligence - Why is it prohibited in Elite Universe?

bootsam

bootsam
Cosmo said:
Energy doesn't need to be saved. It just needs to be used in such a way that it doesn't cause major pollution to the environment. There's an seemingly infinite amount of energy and resources in solar systems waiting to be used.
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Yes, but unfortunately humans will not seek those out until it has exhausted all things that burn on this planet. Including each other. Alas the people with the power do do anything are thick as the proverbial and those with the wit to do so are ignored. Common sense and humans are not mutually exclusive. Why else would Justin Bieber have more money and better access to babes than I do. Life sucks but the soundtrack is good.
 
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Hadrian Bently

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It is all operating under the STUPID assumption that advanced AI would feel the need to harm organic life. The reality is that they are so intelligent that we wouldn't even get in the way. We are harmless bacteria that they can completely ignore. They wouldn't even need to worry about humans using resources because they will be evolving at the speed of technology whereas pathetic humans are still at the level they've been since 10,000 BCE.
 
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InMemoriamSirocco

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To answer the thread title question: Because Cylons.

Doesn't explain the existence of Jaques on his station, though... but meh. What DOES make sense in Elite: Dangerous?
 

bootsam

bootsam
Michael Brookes said:
Mimicing humans isn't a greatest test of intelligence in my opinion. Machine intelligence would be of a different order to human thinking.

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I disagree. The best way to learn something, is to fully comprehend how not to do something. This is something humans do well, as do most creatures. Evolution. Nature has already figured programming out. Unfortunately the hardware isn't up to the job. But the essence of the process will remain fundamentally the same. Its not mimicking, its just following a well worked out path. Unless Thargoids of course.
 

GilliganTX

GilliganTX
bootsam said:
I disagree. The best way to learn something, is to fully comprehend how not to do something. This is something humans do well, as do most creatures. Evolution. Nature has already figured programming out. Unfortunately the hardware isn't up to the job. But the essence of the process will remain fundamentally the same. Its not mimicking, its just following a well worked out path. Unless Thargoids of course.
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Hey that's how I got this smuggling bit down! (A few million in fines later!) :D
 
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edgar

edgar
Hadrian Bently said:
It is all operating under the STUPID assumption that advanced AI would feel the need to harm organic life. The reality is that they are so intelligent that we wouldn't even get in the way.
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We as humans are vastly more intelligent than ants. But when we undertake construction projects we don't go to any trouble to stop ants from being crushed to death in their millions by our earth-moving technology. Consideration for ants does not even remotely enter into our planning for building projects.

A super-intelligence might think of humans like we think of ants, an irrelevance. Or they might see us as just another collection of molecules that could be re-purposed for.. super-intelligence things... :eek:
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
edgar said:
A super-intelligence might think of humans like we think of ants, an irrelevance. Or they might see us as just another collection of molecules that could be re-purposed for.. super-intelligence things... :eek:
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Not entirely, if such a superintelligence would travel space and we not, YES they may think fo that like this. But the ants won't screw up an entire ecosystem like we humans, so a superintelligent race may have to make sure we don't screw up the galaxy when we starts colonizing it and keep behaving like this.

Think of it liek human - termits. As long as they live soemwhere in the garden everyones ok with them. when they start eating your hous, not so much. (thats why you better build houses of stone that don't fly away when the breeze gets a bit harder too).
 
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GilliganTX

GilliganTX
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
Not entirely, if such a superintelligence would travel space and we not, YES they may think fo that like this. But the ants won't screw up an entire ecosystem like we humans, so a superintelligent race may have to make sure we don't screw up the galaxy when we starts colonizing it and keep behaving like this.

Think of it liek human - termits. As long as they live soemwhere in the garden everyones ok with them. when they start eating your hous, not so much. (thats why you better build houses of stone that don't fly away when the breeze gets a bit harder too).
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I'm going back to the Hyperion factor here, but in that series it was actually the AI's who were driving human galactic expansion, encouraging them to terraform, colonize, and use discovered worlds for resources/tourism/expansion.
 
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znôrt

znôrt
Boomer Kay said:
It only does what it's programmed to do
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so do we.

intelligence doesn't have to be sentient. turing was really onto something but couldn't escape the narrow homocentric view at the time. so his test may be quite useless today but in considering intelligence a replicable behaviour he was pointing in the right direction: there actually isn't such thing as intelligence, but intelligences.

i'm not versed in elite lore but i guess the reason humans fear machines to become sentient would come from assuming sentient machines could be at least as f'ed up as we sentient humans are. which is irrational fear because machines don't need sentience at all to take over the world. they've already started! :D

afraid of thargoids? check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading :D
 

xslam

xslam
bootsam said:
I disagree. The best way to learn something, is to fully comprehend how not to do something. This is something humans do well, as do most creatures. Evolution. Nature has already figured programming out. Unfortunately the hardware isn't up to the job. But the essence of the process will remain fundamentally the same. Its not mimicking, its just following a well worked out path. Unless Thargoids of course.
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heh. Humans quite simple. They have 3 primary tasks(instincts): reproduce, kill competitors, survive. And immense, not pre-programmed computation complex wich purpose is to fulfill this primal tasks.

I not heard yet about any attempt to create AI wich base purposes were reproduce, compete for female etc.:)
 

Boomer Kay

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znôrt said:
so do we.
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Yes and no.
That's the thing with "sentience" - you can analyze your own programming and change it. We've come a long way in that (genetics, chemistry) - but still much road ahead. (not really sure we should go there, but that's another topic .. maybe AIs are not the worst threat :) )

znôrt said:
intelligence doesn't have to be sentient. turing was really onto something but couldn't escape the narrow homocentric view at the time. so his test may be quite useless today but in considering intelligence a replicable behaviour he was pointing in the right direction: there actually isn't such thing as intelligence, but intelligences.
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It's semantics. There is such a thing as "human intelligence" .. or "the way humans are programmed" .. which, like I wrote some pages ago, conceptually stems from "understanding", which is more than just "computing".
There is 2 things in this universe "icecream" and "not icecream" - is a "valid definition" of "things". :D
Maybe there's just one "intelligence" and it's not determined by how fast you can compute data or take decisions (for "out of the box decisionmaking" and "wisdom", see King Solomon) but rather on the level of "understanding" something is capable of. You can't "teach" a spider it's not a valid place to rebuilt it's nets by destroying them over and over. You can teach a mouse to push a button (buttons not being part of their genetic programming) for some food.


znôrt said:
afraid of thargoids? check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading :D
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It's "decisionmaking", but not really "intelligence". The computer does not "understand" the stock market, it just crunches large number of data to make a decision - which might be catastrophic in the long run and can crash entire economies, so there's plans to ban such trading.
 
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dxm55

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That can't be right... 99% of the factions' citizens are AI. It's obvious.
And AI probably means Artificial Incompetence, judging by the way they fly... :p
 

bootsam

bootsam
Its an interesting debate, but its quite clear we cannot agree what 'intelligence' actually is. For me its compassion, an ability to be empathic with all living things and a need to understand ourselves and the universe we find ourselves in. Its an awareness and love of other critters and a fascination for them and the awe you feel when Mother Nature presents its wonders.
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
GilliganTX said:
I'm going back to the Hyperion factor here, but in that series it was actually the AI's who were driving human galactic expansion, encouraging them to terraform, colonize, and use discovered worlds for resources/tourism/expansion.
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why would any true intelligence spread a self destructive and ressource wasting race into the galaxy? Thats the opposite of intelligence.
 
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