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Autopilot thread
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I am lucky to get in 2 sessions a month. No time for engineers.
I am lucky to play 10 hours a month. No time for power play extras.
I play about 6 to 8 hours per month and enjoy every minute.
But I want to do both. You wanna make a moneyback for me for Horizons?
You understand that the fact that you limit your gameplay is invalid?
I'm not going to quote the OP since it would be redundant. But I have a better idea that might sit well with the rank and file.
Perhaps FD could permanently shadowban those who use external autopilots, but let them continue to use them. That way, they'd have their own little universe shared only with other cheaters and the true griefers. It would give them the freedom to cheat and not affect the BGS, Powerlplay, etc.
And it would give the banned griefers some ready targets.
A win for everyone.
Perhaps FD could permanently shadowban those who use external autopilots, but let them continue to use them. That way, they'd have their own little universe shared only with other cheaters and the true griefers. It would give them the freedom to cheat and not affect the BGS, Powerlplay, etc.
And it would give the banned griefers some ready targets.
A win for everyone.
I don't limit my game play; life does.
What I am saying is: Make the most with what you have. Other stuff will come along, to bore you maybe. It is what it is, which is better value for money than anything out there. How you use your time, is up to you. You want to 'engineer' your ship and make it better, you have to earn it, work at it and the rewards can be almost infinite. I fly a bog standard Clipper in open CGs and because I can, against the pew pew gangs; I enjoy the challenge.
The only person 'punishing you' is you and your greed.
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With people being able to use autopilot for legitemate purposes, demand for externals will significantly drop, hence the supply, and even lower demand drops cause of prices rising.
By the way, they are banning exactly as that already. But its hard to do so as it is pretty much requires reports from incentified people or difficult deduction.
Need to limit your gameplay off from some of the game's features, and not by complexity of those, is a sign of a bad game design and nothing more really. Autopilot is a good solution. Thing is, reasonable ship transfer costs or transfers along with a pilot would be a sufficient as well, but there are other pluses to autopilot as well.
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I doubt it. Just a cursory look makes it seem like they start with a 30 day shadowban and then let the bots back in. I don't know if anyone has been permanently banned.
But I'm not talking about a punitive ban. I'm talking about those who want to use and continue to use cheats. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do it in their own galaxy. They could volunteer for the shadowban and continue to play. FD could also gain from it by seeing what the cheaters do and use those patterns to detect cheaters in the real galaxy.
Everyone would win. Those who want to cheat can do so and continue to do so. But they won't be messing with anyone else. The griefers would find more targets other than themselves if the cheaters play in open. A better experience all around.
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You can't double jump IRL.
Just because we have it IRL, doesn't mean it has to be part of the game. I am also a pilot, and I know for a fact that the autopilot isn't an excuse to kick back with a coffee and pretend that the plane is going to fly itself all the way to its destination. Someone still has to be at the controls at all times. The moment the autopilot starts trying to correct for a heavy wind sheer, you need to be ready to switch it off and correct manually, or you're going to have a serious incident. Autopilot is not a replacement for a full aircrew.
I'm entirely okay with an autopilot in this game, as long as its not one that lets you just go afk. Otherwise, what's the point in playing at all? If you're not taking the risk, and putting in the effort, why should you be rewarded for it?
Exactly what I personally want.
I'm not talking cat III ILS capability, just something simple like altitude and heading hold. Don't give up on the game for something so simple.
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I was thinking about this yesterday actually. If they want to implement space legs, they could productively implement an autopilot at the same time. Have the autopilot take effect when the player leaves their seat, it limits the throttle to 50% (so you can still do the journey much faster by hand if you choose to) and navigates to your target before taking appropriate action. Appropriate actions could be docking with a docking computer, jumping once heat permits, maybe landing on a planet once they put lat/long bookmarks in, otherwise just going into a holding pattern at the target, preferably with the ship aligned to provide scenic views from windows.
From there, as long as there are worthwhile things to do inside your ship with your space legs and the ship can give you alarms and alerts when you need to get back into the seat to deal with something out of its programming, it would work quite well I think.
Examples of activities to be done while out of your chair would be repairs to the ship or tuning of the SRV/fighter, synthesis of needed components, target practice with a sidearm, fighter, or the SRV, operating special exploration equipment like sensitive scanners or data mining servers, going to your computer terminal and watching the latest broadcasts or perusing the galmap, optimising routes or setting additional destinations for after your current one, looking over your materials in person, maybe tending a little garden or hydroponics system, and getting a coffee or tea
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I think such a system, especially if it incorporated relatively simple but varied "things" that need to be done by hand during travel to avoid some negative consequence, could effectively help prevent botting and cheating while also giving really good gameplay.
From there, as long as there are worthwhile things to do inside your ship with your space legs and the ship can give you alarms and alerts when you need to get back into the seat to deal with something out of its programming, it would work quite well I think.
Examples of activities to be done while out of your chair would be repairs to the ship or tuning of the SRV/fighter, synthesis of needed components, target practice with a sidearm, fighter, or the SRV, operating special exploration equipment like sensitive scanners or data mining servers, going to your computer terminal and watching the latest broadcasts or perusing the galmap, optimising routes or setting additional destinations for after your current one, looking over your materials in person, maybe tending a little garden or hydroponics system, and getting a coffee or tea
.I think such a system, especially if it incorporated relatively simple but varied "things" that need to be done by hand during travel to avoid some negative consequence, could effectively help prevent botting and cheating while also giving really good gameplay.
Absolutely none without another crew member to take over the controls if needed. There isn't an aircraft in the entire world that is operated without someone at the controls at all times, under any conditions, even with the smartest autopilot systems around. I cannot for the life of me think of any reason why that basic aviation rule would be any different in the future, especially in space, with all the things that could go wrong in the absence of a pilot. The more complex a system, the more there is that can go wrong with it. Not to mention all the external forces that could act on your craft that automated systems would not be able to account for or predict.
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You seriously think in 1400 years from this day, when humanity has faster than light travel and lives over an 800ly area, that it is impossible to build an autopilot which can drive the ship, slowly, and warn you when there's something it can't handle? Do you think self-driving cars are also definitionally impossible?
Edit: I just... come on! 1400 years ago we had humans mastering the advanced travel paradigm of the horse, mule, camel and not much else, today we have 747s and cars and drones that can drive themselves. You seriously think that 1400 years from now some kind of limited autopilot is an impossibility? Have I got some discouraging news for you about faster than light travel...
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That is a different game indeed.
You are up against people who can afford to spend scores of hours a week playing Elite.
Remember the original game came out more than 30 years ago. So quite a few players are retired and have the time. Me for one.
That is blazing your own trail. But I fear your quest is in vain. FD by their response to these threads make it obvious that it will not be done.
No, I don't think it's impossible. The duty the pilot has to craft, crew and passengers, however, will not change, no matter how good the automation is. That doesn't matter though. What matters is gameplay, and if you're not actually there playing the game, tell me why you should get rewarded for something you haven't done?
Dude, not everybody gets a trophy just for playing.
No botting, i.e Autopilot. Polish it anyway you want and justify it however you like. But autopilot is botting. IRL, planes, drones, cars, ships, use autopilots (soon there will be no need for humans to perform jobs and unless your the boss of the company you’ll be joining the line at the unemployed soup kitchen.) But that’s real world stuff where the means justify the ends, as the end is all about making money in the most efficient way.
If you need a bot to fly your ship then why are you playing th game anyway?
Jumping between star systems is part of the game. It might not be entertaining for some as they might just want to pew pew, but there is already CQC for the PvP players, Haz Res and CZs.
Traders have to jump from place to place to trade. That is part of the game. Not sitting at the computer with the game minimized and using the Excel addon.
This is a game. You play it for entertainment. The game play includes flying your ship from system to system. If you find that unappealing this game is not for you.
P.S.: Just cause other people have used 3rd party software to create bots for flight does no mean FDev should implement their own in game. In fact, as another thread as been asking for, FDev should ban the accounts of those who use these. Or else FDev might as well implement auto-aim (and I don’t mean turrets) for those who have no interest in combat but want to get money from Bounty hunting or support the factions in CZs.
If you need a bot to fly your ship then why are you playing th game anyway?
Jumping between star systems is part of the game. It might not be entertaining for some as they might just want to pew pew, but there is already CQC for the PvP players, Haz Res and CZs.
Traders have to jump from place to place to trade. That is part of the game. Not sitting at the computer with the game minimized and using the Excel addon.
This is a game. You play it for entertainment. The game play includes flying your ship from system to system. If you find that unappealing this game is not for you.
P.S.: Just cause other people have used 3rd party software to create bots for flight does no mean FDev should implement their own in game. In fact, as another thread as been asking for, FDev should ban the accounts of those who use these. Or else FDev might as well implement auto-aim (and I don’t mean turrets) for those who have no interest in combat but want to get money from Bounty hunting or support the factions in CZs.
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Did you read my suggestion just up thread, and do you have any issues with it?
Of course it's on the pilot's head if the ship can't deal with a crisis while she's not at the helm. I'm not suggesting the computer pay rebuy for you. I'm suggesting the computer fly the ship at half the normal speed while you get up and do things around your ship.
Did you read my suggestion just up thread, and do you have any issues with it?