bad pc performance on a highendish pc

[JakeyPai]

hello im having terrible frame stutters here and there on elite and i cant really find out why. Ive looked at other peoples gameplay and its completly smooth unlike mine and some of them even have a worse graphics card than me

I have an rtx 4070 ti super
i7 14700
32gb of ddr5 6000 mghz ram

surely specs like that would have the game running smooth. ive tried all graphics settings and still find that the game just stutters no matter what. its quite bad at stations and on planets too

 

[Jack Winter]

I agree those specs ought to run the game well, could it be v/g-sync related?

 

[Bob McBobblehead]

My stuttering stopped after disabling freensync. Try disabling freesync/g-sync.

 

[BL1P]

hello im having terrible frame stutters here and there on elite and i cant really find out why. Ive looked at other peoples gameplay and its completly smooth unlike mine and some of them even have a worse graphics card than me

I have an rtx 4070 ti super
i7 14700
32gb of ddr5 6000 mghz ram

surely specs like that would have the game running smooth. ive tried all graphics settings and still find that the game just stutters no matter what. its quite bad at stations and on planets too

Try Legacy and see if its still bad.
If not then you know its the game (odyssey), if its still bad then its something on your end.
Or dont

 

[ZombieF1]

I found that using a frame rate limiter in-game (144) made the game seem like it was running at a constant low frame rate - or in the driver (180) caused stuttering in places like stations. Now I just let v-sync (with g sync still enabled) cap the frame rate at 240 and it runs pretty well - though it can get as low as 80 in some Odyssey settlements. I'll try disabling g sync to see if it runs even better.

 

[Mrc_NorthEast]

hello im having terrible frame stutters here and there on elite and i cant really find out why. Ive looked at other peoples gameplay and its completly smooth unlike mine and some of them even have a worse graphics card than me

I have an rtx 4070 ti super
i7 14700
32gb of ddr5 6000 mghz ram

surely specs like that would have the game running smooth. ive tried all graphics settings and still find that the game just stutters no matter what. its quite bad at stations and on planets too

Something odd is happening. My copy of EDO runs fine, and my rig is not quite as strong as yours:
Amd 5800x3d cpu, Amd Rx 6800 gpu, 32gb ddr4 3200cl14 ram, with all nvme ssd's

I do have my frame rate capped at 144 as that is the most my monitor can do, and I do not have freesync turned on

Double check your motherboard bios version, chipset version, gpu driver, nic driver, etc. If not on the latest versions, update all of those would be my recommendation. Then set all the Elite Dangerous settings to defaults (Back up your current settings first!), just to see if something is set wrong somewhere. Once driver updates are done and the backup is done, should be a quick test of the default settings.

Also I doubt this would be it, but some Intel 13th and 14th gen chips are reportedly having cpu power related issues, usually crashing games. Intel might have let a bad batch of cpu's out into the wild is my guess. If you are overclocked, back off the OC, or once you update the bios, try the Intel Baseline. Should be a quick test, after everything is updated.

Because I agree you should not be having any issues running EDO with that hardware.

 

[DjVortex]

Try disabling freesync/g-sync.

I don't know about freesync, but I run ED with g-sync enabled, and it runs buttery smooth, even though my specs are lower than the OP (i7-9700K, RTX 3080, 32 GB @ 4200MHz, 4k@120Hz g-sync.)

 

[Morbad]

None of my systems have any issues with any of their VRR implementations and Elite: Dangerous.

I found that using a frame rate limiter in-game (144) made the game seem like it was running at a constant low frame rate - or in the driver (180) caused stuttering in places like stations. Now I just let v-sync (with g sync still enabled) cap the frame rate at 240 and it runs pretty well - though it can get as low as 80 in some Odyssey settlements. I'll try disabling g sync to see if it runs even better.

If the scene isn't very demanding, capping FPS too low will keep most GPUs from boosting correctly if they aren't on their maximum performance or equivalent power settings.

 

[JakeyPai]

Something odd is happening. My copy of EDO runs fine, and my rig is not quite as strong as yours:
Amd 5800x3d cpu, Amd Rx 6800 gpu, 32gb ddr4 3200cl14 ram, with all nvme ssd's

I do have my frame rate capped at 144 as that is the most my monitor can do, and I do not have freesync turned on

Double check your motherboard bios version, chipset version, gpu driver, nic driver, etc. If not on the latest versions, update all of those would be my recommendation. Then set all the Elite Dangerous settings to defaults (Back up your current settings first!), just to see if something is set wrong somewhere. Once driver updates are done and the backup is done, should be a quick test of the default settings.

Also I doubt this would be it, but some Intel 13th and 14th gen chips are reportedly having cpu power related issues, usually crashing games. Intel might have let a bad batch of cpu's out into the wild is my guess. If you are overclocked, back off the OC, or once you update the bios, try the Intel Baseline. Should be a quick test, after everything is updated.

Because I agree you should not be having any issues running EDO with that hardware.

its very weird because ive just tried all of this and its still doing the same thing, other games run like butter but ed just doesnt i dont understand

 

[JakeyPai]

Try Legacy and see if its still bad.
If not then you know its the game (odyssey), if its still bad then its something on your end.
Or dont

tried and failed, other games i own run good though unlike ed

 

[Mako The Grey]

I also have a4070 ti super and similar CPU/mem specs. Was having the same issue after the last update. I had FPS capped at 90FPS 144hz 2K g-sync monitor. Issue solved after I set game refresh rate to match monitor 144 and turned frame rate limit off

 

[DjVortex]

I also have a4070 ti super and similar CPU/mem specs. Was having the same issue after the last update. I had FPS capped at 90FPS 144hz 2K g-sync monitor. Issue solved after I set game refresh rate to match monitor 144 and turned frame rate limit off

IIRC it's in fact recommended that if you are using g-sync, to turn off v-sync in games' settings, and not use any framerate limiter (because that's exactly what g-sync itself is doing automatically: It does both v-sync (for all intents and purposes) as well as limit the framerate to the maximum that the display supports.) In-game framerate settings can only interfere with g-sync rather than help it.

 

[Mako The Grey]

IIRC it's in fact recommended that if you are using g-sync, to turn off v-sync in games' settings,

I never use v-sync in game (OK in control panel) and never had it enabled before or after the issue

...and not use any framerate limiter (because that's exactly what g-sync itself is doing automatically: It does both v-sync (for all intents and purposes) as well as limit the framerate to the maximum that the display supports.) In-game framerate settings can only interfere with g-sync rather than help it.

Turning off frame rate limiter alone didn't help...had to also insure the game and monitor were set to monitor max. My monitor can set max manually to frame rate limit as well....I had to turn that off in the monitor and let it run at default max.

 

[ZombieF1]

All the knowledgeable advice I've heard is to make sure to enable V-sync when using G-Sync - in most cases

 

[Mako The Grey]

All the knowledgeable advice I've heard is to make sure to enable V-sync when using G-Sync - in most cases

It's for most games...G-Sync on and V-sync on in the Nvidia control panel with V-sync off in game. I've found that to work with ED

 

[ZombieF1]

I'm fine with V-sync enabled in-game with G-Sync

 

[CMDR X]

Check that your PC Power Options plan isn't set to Power saver, in the Control Panel.
No matter how powerful your PC is, that plan restricts your CPU to 50%. You won't
believe how many users set it to that thinking they are helping "save the world" only to
then complain that their machine is slow.

If you want to save a bit on electricity use Balanced. That allows 100% use.

 

[DjVortex]

If you want to save a bit on electricity use Balanced. That allows 100% use.

On a somewhat tangential note (and unrelated to the problem in the OP), many youtube tech channels (as well as many tech websites, I'm sure) recommend going to the Nvidia control panel and in the "manage 3D settings" tab set the option "power management mode" to "prefer maximum performance" (rather than its default setting, ie. "normal"). Apparently because that ostensibly increases graphical performance.

I don't know if it might give you a couple of points more in synthetic benchmarks (I haven't tested) but I have seen no difference in practice, when playing games.

The major problem is that when I once tried to do that, my GPU would consume about 95W constantly, even when fully idle (instead of the normal about 16W), its fans would constantly spin, and the inside of the PC would get significantly hotter which, in turn, increased CPU temperature, making CPU and case fans spin up. So not only did it cause a significant increase in power consumption and heat production, even when idle, but also noise levels (and dust buildup, as dust obviously builds up faster when there are more fans spinning, and they are spinning faster).

It's really bad advice. Having it in "normal" allows the GPU to actually idle (fans stopped, runs very chill, consumes very little power) when not under load, and you won't notice any difference in games.

 

[ZombieF1]

On a somewhat tangential note (and unrelated to the problem in the OP), many youtube tech channels (as well as many tech websites, I'm sure) recommend going to the Nvidia control panel and in the "manage 3D settings" tab set the option "power management mode" to "prefer maximum performance" (rather than its default setting, ie. "normal"). Apparently because that ostensibly increases graphical performance.

I don't know if it might give you a couple of points more in synthetic benchmarks (I haven't tested) but I have seen no difference in practice, when playing games.

The major problem is that when I once tried to do that, my GPU would consume about 95W constantly, even when fully idle (instead of the normal about 16W), its fans would constantly spin, and the inside of the PC would get significantly hotter which, in turn, increased CPU temperature, making CPU and case fans spin up. So not only did it cause a significant increase in power consumption and heat production, even when idle, but also noise levels (and dust buildup, as dust obviously builds up faster when there are more fans spinning, and they are spinning faster).

It's really bad advice. Having it in "normal" allows the GPU to actually idle (fans stopped, runs very chill, consumes very little power) when not under load, and you won't notice any difference in games.

Isn't the advice really about setting "prefer maximum performance" for specific game profiles only? I never change Global Settings in the nVidia control panel. I have set prefer max performance for ED recently. Maybe a very small increase in performance possibly less stuttering and better frame pacing when I can't maintain 240fps. I'm not sure.

I also recently set my windows power profile to maximum performance after reading a PC magazine article online. It still idles fine

I can play all the very modern games I've tried without wishing for a better CPU etc - and I love high frame rates (though I've steered clear of Dragon's Dogma 2). But ED makes me want a better PC Especially at the heavier Odyssey settlements

 

[galahad2069]

IIRC it's in fact recommended that if you are using g-sync, to turn off v-sync in games' settings,

That's true.

and not use any framerate limiter (because that's exactly what g-sync itself is doing automatically:

That's not quite true. It does limit the number of displayed frames (in fact the monitor itself will do that since it's simply unable to display any more frames above its maximum refresh rate), but that does not limit the number of computed frames - the CPU and GPU will do quite a lot of superfluous work by computing frames the monitor will be simply unable to display.

My laptop has a 240 Hz GSYNC monitor, but most of the time the FPS counter will show figures in the 300 to 400 range if I turn off the frame limiter (and I can see the effects of the extra workload on the CPU and GPU), even though the monitor is only capable of displaying 240 frames per second.