Balance Hourly Rates - Exploring needs a huge % Uplift on body values

Exactly - What keeps being missed by quite a few people here is the fact that I want to explore the crazy systems, the hard to reach places... Currently the Anaconda has the best jump range, which is what you need for exploring.

Now.... lets keep this REALLY SIMPLE

There are quite a few roles advertised in the game and you can play it YOUR way!
Fighting = Profits
Trading = Profits
Mining = Profits
Bounty = Profits
Pirate = Profits
Missions = Profits
Explorer = That will be 10 Million per trip please!

Really? Seriously?

Sorry you are having a laugh! Right? Play it my way or your way? FRO!

No, no laughter. I can understand your frustration, but I see it as self inflicted, not a fault of the game.

By any sensible standard, Explorer = profits.

But you, sir, are not an explorer.

You are Nutter: Gentleman Adventurer! (Not to be confused with Othar Tryggvassen: GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER!) You go where others fear to tread. You will go to that star system not because it is easy, but because it is there! They said that there is limit for hyperspace jumps. They said you were mad to even try. But you will show them, show them all!!! BWA HA HA! And you will do it with your latest design:

*dramatic reveal*

Nutter's Ultra Extreme Record Breaking Ship of Awesomeness! (tm) Which I will name Bertha, after my grandmother.

*pause*

Ahem. Sorry, had my "drama" dial turned up to "Large Ham". ;)

Anyways, Bertha is only possible because of what I consider to be an oversight of the Dev Team. It's one I don't mind existing, but it is still an oversight. That oversight is that there is no lower limit to the size of a component you can install in large ships. There's an upper limit, but no lower one (besides ensuring it's functional.) You could probably make an Anaconda run on a 2D powerplant if you shut down everything you don't need during supercruise. (Thank you Elite: Dangerous Shipyard.)

The Question of the Day is: should Exploring income be balanced against Bertha, or should it be balanced against a more sane layout? Personally, I favor the latter.

An ancillary to the Question of the Day is: if we want the Bertha to at least break even, how should we go about it?

The first hurdle is that Elite: Dangerous is not a traditional MMO, nor is getting a bigger ship or higher grade components the equivalent of leveling up. In traditional MMOs, things can be balanced by level. Ultimately, you're getting the exact same gameplay and rewards at level 100 as you do at level 1. It's just the numbers at level 100 are inflated to make you feel powerful and wealthy, as opposed to poor and weak. This is to make you play longer, and thus dish out more money.

Elite: Dangerous isn't like that. With the exception of trading, pretty much everything you do in the game has an optimal level of income. The challenge of the game as I see it isn't to "level up" until you reach that level of income magically. The challenge of the game is to improve your own skills, and find a ship that allows your skills to shine and reach that optimal income. If you have the right ship for your skills and what you're doing, you'll make the most money. If you have a ship that doesn't quite match your skills, you won't make as much. If you have too much ship, you could even lose money.

So, how do we make Bertha break even?

One way is to decrease the operational costs of huge ships. Given that trading is insanely imbalanced in large ships, decreasing operational costs for them really isn't an option. Quite frankly, trading should be much more dangerous than it is now. It's so safe, you can trade without shields, armor, weapons, or other defenses. But that's another conversation.

A second way is to increase exploration income. Unfortunately, if you increase exploration income to make Bertha break even, you'll also increase exploration for every other explorer, and then that profession will be unbalanced, and everyone will complain that they have to grind at exploring to get their dream ship, rather than grind at trading.

Another alternative is to not have a dedicated slots for equipment, allowing you to install a larger frame-shift drive in one of the larger equipment bays than is standard. Personally, I think that would be a change for the worse. It's pretty well known that D-grade equipment is just as good as B-grade equipment a size smaller, only a lot cheaper to buy and maintain. And I have no doubt that in order to squeeze out even more range, you'd be asking for class 8 frame shift drives to strap onto Lakon type 9, and then complaining about the maintenance costs. ;)

The last alternative, one I personally favor, would be to provide modules that boost frame-shift drive performance, but require charges to do so. Enough to make the occasional long jump, but not enough to provide a constant benefit. It would also provide interesting game play decisions, especially if they carry an odd number of charges. Do you take a chance on a second long jump and hope you can find your way back from where you end up, or do you play it safe and go back the way you came?

But I think that should wait until we have more options for exploring than just one discovery scanner and one surface scanner. We should always have more options than we can equip on our ships, so we have to weigh the pros and cons for each one.

I know one option that has been discussed is to have landing bays in large ships, allowing them to carry smaller ships inside them. Imagine arriving at a star and undocking your Sidewinder from your Asp, in order to check out the more distant planets.

Another option that has been discussed, once planetary landings and the walking around expansions are implemented, is having a ground vehicle bay to explore a planet's surface. I quite like the idea of landing on a planet and wheeling out an actual Jeep out of a ship that isn't an Adder to take a closer look at something on the surface that my sensors picked up from low orbit.
 
It is a lot of work for not much money, but I could get by with them leaving the money the same if they actually had something out there to find. I do exploration for the experience of finding the unknown, not the cash. Finding the names of a bunch of Christmas tree lights isn't really all that interesting. I've been on a few exploration runs. Doesn't seem like there is much to find. All space is the same with the same 15 or so stars arranged in different order. There is no "oh, wow, look at that!", just a never-ending desert of starts; sand as far as the eye can see... oh but there are 3 dunes right there, oh, and there are 4 over that way. I'm just shy of Trailblazer, and I can't say I've seen anything much more interesting than the first 4 systems I scanned. If I'd stopped there I'd have had the same experience. Glad I didn't go all the way to a black hole before I saw a video of one, that would have been even more anti-climactic.

As it is, they should increase the pay rate as some incentive to do exploration. It is the mining of ED (mindless time-grind), because who wants to do the actual mining? That's just torture.
 
But you, sir, are not an explorer.

You are Nutter: Gentleman Adventurer! (Not to be confused with Othar Tryggvassen: GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER!) You go where others fear to tread. You will go to that star system not because it is easy, but because it is there! They said that there is limit for hyperspace jumps. They said you were mad to even try. But you will show them, show them all!!! BWA HA HA! And you will do it with your latest design:


What pleasure to read your entire response :)

Thank you - yes I am the crazy explorer - I understand that richer content will arrive at some point for explorers - right now I think the key members of the FD team are still pimping ED in the USA.

I hope exploring gets some love soon - No not the 1,000ly route finder, I've been 10's of thousands of light years and found my way back home.

I have grown tired of pew pew taking all the cherry's, hopefully after they have fixed pew pew 'wings' early March 2015 - The next enhancement will be either exploring or mining, which, lets be honest, are far from complete.

All that said, looking forward to the new gas giant textures in 1.1 so have my camera ready :)

Thanks again

Nutter
 
I think your information is outdated. With a class A FSD the Anaconda (35.57 Ly unladen) is still behind the Asp (36.71 and as your lastest video points out 38) in jump range. I know the Anaconda used to be higher (20+ base jump) but that's apparently changed. Mind you I don't have one so I can't verify it. But that's exactly why I mentioned the 55 LY jumps. Even then we couldn't reach 100% of them.


Anaconda can't even get over 32LY jump using 5D shields on ED Shipyard....
 
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