Bartender trading - am I a moron, or is this a bug?

[Mon Dieu]

Before I raise another support ticket, I figured I'd ask here in case I'm simply being an idiot and failing to understand fundamentally basic about the game which is immediately obvious to all other players.

I want to trade with the bartender to get some more Graphene. My Assets inventory is full, and I've heard that the bartender offers a conveniently ruinous rate of exchange, so I figured it'd be an opportunity to offload some Assets I don't want for some that I do want and free up some inventory space for more grinding.

Only I can't. When I try to trade with the bartender the bartender sniffily refuses to trade, claiming that "your traded item value exceeds the number of assets your inventory can receive".

Now, it's entirely possible I'm misunderstanding how bartender trading works. From the trading screen it appears that:

• The bartender will offer X units of exchange when taking your assets (e.g. paying you 13 units for your Graphene)
• The bartender will ask for Y units of exchange when giving you assets (e.g. selling Graphene to you for 23 units)
• If I want a single unit of Graphene from the bartender, I need to offer the bartender enough other chemicals whose total selling value adds up to at least 23 exchange units.

Unless I've got it completely wrong, in this screenshot the bartender ought to be offering me 27 units of Graphene (623 / 23, rounded down) in return for 174 other chemicals (and freeing up 147 inventory slots along the way). But the bartender isn't.

So... have I misunderstood bartender trading, or is this yet another grimly inevitable, depressingly predictable bug where the "do you have enough room in your inventory?" calculation is performed without taking into account the intended trade which would free up space in your inventory?

 

[GroG79]

You have no space in your inventory.. Even tho you are trading 10 items for 1; the system overlooks this mathematical possibility and concludes your inventory is full. Sell a couple of items first. Then do the trade again.

Yes, this could improve.

 

[Factabulous]

You can vote on the issue here https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/34854

 

[Ydiss]

I'd call this a flow design flaw. It should account for loss in the barter.

It currently means you have to sell one item (losing its barter value) and then slowly barter for 1, then more.

Clunky.

 

[Mon Dieu]

So it is a bug after all. "I'll give you ten of this thing for one of that other thing." "But you have no space in your pack!" "But I will have once I give you these ten things..."

I'll go vote on that bug. Who knows? It might get fixed.

 

[Zenteck]

Your assest inventory is nearly full, but it doesn't tell you this in any of the bartender's screens - in fact you can only figure this out on your ship as far as I can tell.

Say I have 995 assets, and I want to trade away 20 assets for 10 new ones.

I can't do this, because the game will count in the 10 new assets as I'm preparing the trade, one by one until maxing out at 1000: but it won't count out the 20 I'm trading away until the end, when the transaction is complete.

I need to trade for 5 new assets at most, while losing 10. New total is 990. Next trade I can have 10 new assets at most.

 

[GroG79]

it is not a bug. It is a oversight.

Btw Enough items have no trading value like hush, Push, Insight etc. just sell some of those

 

[Mr T]

it is not a bug. It is a oversight.

So i guess we can't call OP a moron then?

 

[Mon Dieu]

So i guess we can't call OP a moron then?

Feel free! I'm dimwitted often enough anyway!

 

[Mr T]

Feel free! I'm dimwitted often enough anyway!

No no, you don't deserve it, in this case. Mind you, I was just making a joke because of your thread title. I'd never call someone a moron, not to their face anyway

 

[GroG79]

So i guess we can't call OP a moron then?

Not sure if sarcasm..?

 

[Mr T]

Not sure if sarcasm..?

Yes that

 

[Ydiss]

it is not a bug. It is a oversight.

Btw Enough items have no trading value like hush, Push, Insight etc. just sell some of those

Can't trade goods, doing that won't help.

 

[Mon Dieu]

Can't trade goods, doing that won't help.

Not for Assets, no, but it will help free up some Goods space (which is also full) so I can take - and abandon - some "restore power" missions so I can get some Power Regulators.

 

[GroG79]

I typed to SELL them. They take up space in your inventory

 

[Ydiss]

Not for Assets. no, but it will help free up some Goods space (which is also full) so I can take - and abandon - some "restore power" missions so I can get some Power Regulators.

Sure. I didn't see you ask about freeing up good space, just raising an issue about trading assets. So wanted this to be clear that they're not related so won't help others reading this thread who also have the same issue you raised.

If not specified, it might mislead people.

 

[WhoCares]

it is not a bug. It is a oversight.

Btw Enough items have no trading value like hush, Push, Insight etc. just sell some of those

Selling those will not help as they are "Goods", while we trade "Assets". You have to sell at least one asset to have room for an asset trade.

 

[Cupco]

Issue tracker says it is fixed, but I am having this problem today. With a fleet carrier bartender. My assets were full, but it wouldn't let me buy data. Very obnoxious.

 

[Walter2]

I'd call this a flow design flaw.

There was at least one bank here in the UK that had the same feature - it processed daily outgoings before income and then charged you for going overdrawn.