Beyond 2 or 'Deckard?

AvonNZ

AvonNZ
Looks like the Beyond 2 is selling real well, outselling the original Beyond in total in the first 10 hours! With wider FOV, lighter, pancake lenses, and even eye tracking (2e), looks promising. And for owners of the beyond 1 you get a US$170 discount on the US$1019 pricetag. Bigscreen have also made it mostly backwardly compatible with accessories for the original. Check out https://www.roadtovr.com/beyond-2-outsells-beyond-1-months-of-sales/

The other (rumoured) headset is Valve's Deckard, apparently priced at US$1,200 and coming out this year. Will it work with the Steamdeck for playing flatscreen games? have inside tracking? eyetracking? passthru AR? And will it release with an amazing game like HLA, who knows, hopefully will find out this year or in "Valve Time". Check out https://www.roadtovr.com/whats-next-for-valve-in-vr-half-life-alyx-five-year-anniversary/

Which one are you going to save up for :cool: My pick is the Beyond 2, mainly for playing sims and it's SOO light :)
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
CMDR Saigon said:
I was looking at Pimax but put off by community's complained on 1. QA, 2. Subscription. What has your experience been CMDR? o7
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Seriously, a subscription? Really? What's wrong with the world? I know I am a dinosaur, but what was wrong with just having a piece of hardware, paying for it, owning it and just using it without any subscriptions or accounts? That's how it was with my G2 just a few years ago, and one of the things I liked about it. It's not like a Crystal Light is so outrageously expensive that you need to finance it over a few years... it's not a car.
 

Garix

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Helmut Grokenberger said:
Seriously, a subscription? Really? What's wrong with the world? I know I am a dinosaur, but what was wrong with just having a piece of hardware, paying for it, owning it and just using it without any subscriptions or accounts? That's how it was with my G2 just a few years ago, and one of the things I liked about it. It's not like a Crystal Light is so outrageously expensive that you need to finance it over a few years... it's not a car.
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It's not exactly a subscription. Base price is around a grand then either a) 24 x $33 or b) +$700. So more along the lines of a deposit then pay the rest off over 2 years or pay the whole lot upfront

EDIT: Ignore the monies I've quoted as they're from the wrong item but the basic idea remains the same
 
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aXeL

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Garix said:
It's not exactly a subscription. Base price is around a grand then either a) 24 x $33 or b) +$700. So more along the lines of a deposit then pay the rest off over 2 years or pay the whole lot upfront

EDIT: Ignore the monies I've quoted as they're from the wrong item but the basic idea remains the same
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Yeah, that's not a subscription - that sounds like the financing option I've read about for peeps who don't have oodles of cash laying about. Why would anyone complain? Nobody is 'ordered' to take the deal. Nothing to stop them paying for their lump of tin upfront a'la Helmut's observation about the G2.
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
aXeL said:
Yeah, that's not a subscription - that sounds like the financing option I've read about for peeps who don't have oodles of cash laying about. Why would anyone complain? Nobody is 'ordered' to take the deal. Nothing to stop them paying for their lump of tin upfront a'la Helmut's observation about the G2.
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glancing at the shop page it looked like this is the only payment model available. If it is not, fine. If it is, that's.... dumb.
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
Just to make sure... the Pimax shop does not give me an option to just pay the full price for the damn thing. I don't want to take the checkout process further because I don't want to buy one, but it looks like this subscription, finance option, whatever you call it, is mandatory. That's a bad move.
 

Garix

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Helmut Grokenberger said:
Just to make sure... the Pimax shop does not give me an option to just pay the full price for the damn thing. I don't want to take the checkout process further because I don't want to buy one, but it looks like this subscription, finance option, whatever you call it, is mandatory. That's a bad move.
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From their website:
Total price: £‌718 GBP

• Upfront Payment: £‌487 GBP
• Prime Membership Fee: £‌9.59 * 24 mo. Payable after receiving the headset through Pimax Play. You can choose to pay for it one time or spread out over 24 months.
 

aXeL

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Helmut Grokenberger said:
Just to make sure... the Pimax shop does not give me an option to just pay the full price for the damn thing. I don't want to take the checkout process further because I don't want to buy one, but it looks like this subscription, finance option, whatever you call it, is mandatory. That's a bad move.
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When I click on the link at the bottom of the homepage, "Pimax Crystal Super", it says I can put a deposit down at $999 to try for 14 days and then it gives me two buying options. One of them is to pay $696 one off to complete and it's mine. TBH, I'm still not seeing what the problem is. If I don't like it within two weeks then I can return it for my deposit or I can just pay the rest in one go and I'm done.
 

aXeL

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Garix said:
From their website:
Total price: £‌718 GBP

• Upfront Payment: £‌487 GBP
• Prime Membership Fee: £‌9.59 * 24 mo. Payable after receiving the headset through Pimax Play. You can choose to pay for it one time or spread out over 24 months.
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Wow! Where are you because you sure aren't 'in' the UK with that quote. Here, in sterling, it's £811 deposit and £1420 in total. The prime deal is £25.34 x24. How are you getting it at half the price?
 

Helmut Grokenberger

Helmut Grokenberger
Are we talking about two different models by chance? I had looked at the Crystal Light. That page doesn't give me a "f*** off, I just want to buy it whole" option.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if you can pay off that prime membership in bits or at once. It is a subscription, and that's a sneaky way to establish hardware as a service if you ask me.
 

aXeL

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Helmut Grokenberger said:
Are we talking about two different models by chance? I had looked at the Crystal Light. That page doesn't give me a "f*** off, I just want to buy it whole" option.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if you can pay off that prime membership in bits or at once. It is a subscription, and that's a sneaky way to establish hardware as a service if you ask me.
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Oh my bad, I thought we were still talking about the Super. I'd not even looked at the Light.
 

Outrunner85

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If Valve Deckard was not going to be a thing, i would be going for beyond 2 for sure. Since beyond 2 wont be available until June for orders now anyway, i am waiting as I'd expect some sort of Valve announcement around that time.

There is no other headset i find compelling. I've tried the Pimax crystal light and i was very disappointed.

For now, I'll just need to make do with this lame butt Quest 3.
 

AvonNZ

AvonNZ
I would also like the Beyond 2 especially with eye tracking, and I don't mind the tether for sit down flight sim games, comfort is my #1 driver. But I wouldn't be surprised if Valve release something awesome (along with a new game) :) 🤞
 

tact8t88

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I already ordered the BSB2 with eye tracking. I'm pretty sure it'll mean I'll never strap anything bigger than that to my face for VR, it's definitely gonna be a game changer since i play exclusively sim games on VR so its a mostly sit-down experience. For everything else, a quest 3 will do just fine.
 

AvonNZ

AvonNZ
tact8t88 said:
I already ordered the BSB2 with eye tracking. I'm pretty sure it'll mean I'll never strap anything bigger than that to my face for VR, it's definitely gonna be a game changer since i play exclusively sim games on VR so its a mostly sit-down experience. For everything else, a quest 3 will do just fine.
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Awesome, I'd keen to hear how comfortable you think it is. And maybe at a later stage if the eye tracking can use tracking foveated rendering, like the beta of MSFS 2025 enables fixed foveated rendering now?
 

Craith

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Craith
Looking forward to your experience - I am currently also thinking about how to upgrade from my Index - Meta is out of the window, same as Pico, due to missing trust to the parent companies.
Currently trying to decide between Beyond 2, Deckard or the new Pimax Crystal Super, so any information is great. I wish I could test them somewhere locally, but you only ever find Meta or maybe HTC Vive available
 

tact8t88

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It's going to arrive somewhere around in June. Hopefully the tariffs wont be slapped onto it as the order is already placed.

I've opted for BSB2 mainly because it simply gets all the really fancy technology like eye tracking and micro OLED, fixes BSB1's glare issues, and keeps it crammed in a nice goggle factor, which i've found over the years to be the number one reason why i abandon VR after a while - it's all just very tedious to strap this massive block on your head and keep swinging it around in games like elite and DCS.

Another reason why I went for BSB2 is the resolution. It maintains a good IPD, but doesn't go completely insane with it, meaning I won't have to wait for another 6090 to come out to finally use it to its full potential. Headsets like Crystal seem to be doing those giant leaps forward with fidelity, while the GPU market gets pricier and lags behind in terms of performance needed to keep up with the high res requirements of VR headsets.
Once this monstrous GPU comes out that finally can satisfy these requirements, you already have another headset that's come out that needs even more performance. It's a terribly expensive cycle.

I have personal doubts that Deckard's going to introduce a smaller form factor, i fully expect it to have cool tech, but it'll still be the kind of bulky boy we've grown accustomed to. Probably wireless and no tracking stations required, and great FOV, maybe even a fancy new controller (or really accurate hand tracking), but thats about it.
 
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