General / Off-Topic Beyrouth in Lebanon massive explosion!

I have to wonder at the levels of stupidity here. Main port for all goods and food, storage of grain to feed populace and tons of seized explosive material (for 6 yrs) kept in the same place. It's one thing to seize dangerous goods, but to keep it there for years is beyond incompetent.
Makes me wonder what unsaid things my city is storing at our port.
 
Any sufficiently powerful explosion will create a mushroom cloud. The videos of that one are scary as hell. If there's a lesson to learn here for all these bystanders filming, if you see something like this go off, don't just stand like a moron and film, duck for cover, you have only a few seconds to do so.

Also there was a similar if not bigger explosion in 2015 in China, compare to the skyscrappers:

Tianjin looked a lot more impressive, but that's due to the incomplete combustion and the explosion happening at night. That caused these "slowly" upwards expanding gigantic flames, which wouldn't have looked out of place in <insert random Michael Bay movie here>. Additionally, iirc, there were many different chemicals involved in Tianjin, not just ammonium nitrate.

The explosion in Beirut was a lot more massive, than the one in Tianjin. You only see the fireball for a split second, before the shock wave produces a condensation cloud. You also find similiar condensation clouds when a plane goes supersonic. This happens due to changes in pressure. It cannot be stressed enough, HOW big this condensation cloud is. Usually you see them this big when there's a nuclear explosion (this wasn't no matter what anyone on the internet says). It's pretty safe to say that the shockwave moved, at least initally, faster than the speed of sound. Additionally to that, there's less activity afterwards. Tianjin burned for days and my have transformed more energy overall, but the singular explosion in Beirut was a lot stronger than the ones in Tianjin. /rant

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I wonder how the responsibles can be so irresponsible.

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Policy of the coffin, don't do anything that doesn't seem essential until proved otherwise.

The reason being that if you do something out of precaution, it can be argued that it is not necessary and a waste of money and energy.
If, because of the precautionary actions you took nothing happens, people will argue that nothing would have happened anyway and thus proving the point that whatever cautionary actions you took where unnecessary and a waste of money and energy.
IF you decide to do nothing, and something happens with devastating consequences because it was decided to postpone indefinitely any precautionary measures, the same people that argued that it wasn't necessary will call you out for doing nothing.

In short, damned if you do, damned if you don't. 🤷‍♂️
 
Policy of the coffin, don't do anything that doesn't seem essential until proved otherwise.

The reason being that if you do something out of precaution, it can be argued that it is not necessary and a waste of money and energy.
If, because of the precautionary actions you took nothing happens, people will argue that nothing would have happened anyway and thus proving the point that whatever cautionary actions you took where unnecessary and a waste of money and energy.
IF you decide to do nothing, and something happens with devastating consequences because it was decided to postpone indefinitely any precautionary measures, the same people that argued that it wasn't necessary will call you out for doing nothing.

In short, damned if you do, damned if you don't. 🤷‍♂️
In any case, people react most of the time after the disaster, and take adequate measures for the future.

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Policy of the coffin, don't do anything that doesn't seem essential until proved otherwise.

The reason being that if you do something out of precaution, it can be argued that it is not necessary and a waste of money and energy.
If, because of the precautionary actions you took nothing happens, people will argue that nothing would have happened anyway and thus proving the point that whatever cautionary actions you took where unnecessary and a waste of money and energy.
IF you decide to do nothing, and something happens with devastating consequences because it was decided to postpone indefinitely any precautionary measures, the same people that argued that it wasn't necessary will call you out for doing nothing.

In short, damned if you do, damned if you don't. 🤷‍♂️
It is sadly a thing with humans that if something happens because you didn't do something, it's more easily excused than if something happened because you DID something, so it's our nature not to do anything preemptively... 😐

Also, I've read somebody doing the math, measuring the crater and the fireball of the explosion, estimating it at around 10-30kt TNT. That's more than some tactical nukes.
 
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It is sadly a thing with humans that if something happens because you didn't do something, it's more easily excused than if something happened because you DID something, so it's our nature not to do anything preemptively... 😐

Also, I've read somebody doing the math, measuring the crater and the fireball of the explosion, estimating it at around 10-30kt TNT. That's more than some tactical nukes.

10kts would be slightly less yield than the hiroshima bomb. Both 10kt and 30kt would've leveled Beirut.

The conversion factor for AN is 0.4 something, so 2700t of it would be somewhere around 1kt.
 
10kts would be slightly less yield than the hiroshima bomb. Both 10kt and 30kt would've leveled Beirut.
I don't know. Seems pretty leveled to me. There's not much left in a 2 mile radius.
But yeah, on second thought 10kt is probably too much, though I would argue that the CB and NB comparison is based on the diameter of the fireball, not the level of destruction. 10kt nuke would do much more damage than 10kt conventional explosive due to its heat blast and supersonic pressure wave.

IMO, anyway.
 
Its not fireworks or fuel it's commercial or military grade explosives.

If you watch the clip you can really clearly see the shockwave (1.30 in the second clip). That's the white ball that expands out then vanishes before the flame/debris even really gets moving. That only happens with high explosives (high means high speed which is the speed of sound).
Exactly.

This is a terrible thing that has happened.
 
I don't know. Seems pretty leveled to me. There's not much left in a 2 mile radius.
But yeah, on second thought 10kt is probably too much, though I would argue that the CB and NB comparison is based on the diameter of the fireball, not the level of destruction. 10kt nuke would do much more damage than 10kt conventional explosive due to its heat blast and supersonic pressure wave.

IMO, anyway.

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Comparing the TNT equivalent isn't really worth it either, a 1kt in a position that enables the explosion it can be as destructive as a 10kt yield in a position that inhibits the explosion.

The TNT equivalent itself is just the converted energy, not the actual effect it has on the environment.

That said, 10kt would've probably turned that grain silo alongside with a good bit of the port into a projectile and toppled a lot more buildings.
 
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Comparing the TNT equivalent isn't really worth it either, a 1kt in a position that enables the explosion it can be as destructive as a 10kt yield in a position that inhibits the explosion.

The TNT equivalent itself is just the converted energy, not the actual effect it has on the environment.

That said, 10kt would've probably turned that grain silo alongside with a good bit of the port into a projectile and toppled a lot more buildings.
Oh, from this angle the carnage really doesn't look that bad. Well, I mean, nobody has windows and who knows how many buildings have been structurally damaged, but the main carnage does seem more contained to the docks than I previously thought. Thanks for this photo.
 
10kts would be slightly less yield than the hiroshima bomb. Both 10kt and 30kt would've leveled Beirut.

The conversion factor for AN is 0.4 something, so 2700t of it would be somewhere around 1kt.
Yes, the power of the explosion was evaluated at 1.155 kilotons of TNT.

About 8% of the Hiroshima bomb according to the press.

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Soon 100000 dead in Brazil, the huge South American country has suffered some 1000 daily deaths on average for more than a month.

Poverty and misery are the first victims. Predictably.

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Oh, from this angle the carnage really doesn't look that bad. Well, I mean, nobody has windows and who knows how many buildings have been structurally damaged, but the main carnage does seem more contained to the docks than I previously thought. Thanks for this photo.

I get the impression that the grain silos provided a sort of shock-wave shadow to the right of that photo, if you look at drone videos or the before / after sliding image on the BBC News website you can see this.

 
I'm not sure if the people filming survived this 🙁


Chances are...

They didn't... :(

The amount of pressure exercised by the blast would be enough to rupture the lungs, and cause severe head trauma.
This video might been showing us the last moments of these people. The silence at the end is telling enough.
Another frighting fact revealed by this video is that apparently there where bystanders watching the first explosion quite close to the warehouse, ingorant of the imment danger
Chances are they simply vaporized with the second explosion.

Horrible.
 
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