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BGS does't work in this way!!!
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Here is another (equally stupid) idea: Make the BGS Solo / PG only.BINGOOOO !!!!Thanks Friends for all your replies, but IMO this is the "real reply" !!!! BGS and POWER PLAY should be played OPEN ONLY. If I go in a CZ, compatibly with time zone of course, sooner or later I must find enemy human players to fire at them!!!!! Maybe lose, maybe win..... doesn't matter! Yes.... BGS works fine (small bugs permitting!
The BGS should never be open only. It's not what it's designed for.BINGOOOO !!!!
Okay so you find a human player in a combat zone, you take 10 minutes trying to kill one ship, in that 10 minutes you could have killed 10 NPC ships which would be 10 times better for the CZ chance of winning.
Nope, the BGS is there to provide a PvE with occasional PvP if you want to experience. Powerplay though, I can except being open only. Not the BGS, that does not make any sense at all.
The best way to beat someone at the BGS is to do it via the BGS, not shooting at them, as that gets you nowhere.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
It might be the "real reply" for the subset of the player-base who prefer to engage in the entirely optional play-style that is PvP - however this is not a game that requires PvP.BINGOOOO !!!!
Frontier have been clear, from the outset, that the BGS is for all players, in all game modes (and all platforms) and have reiterated their stance comparatively recently:
Any answer that utilizes 'open only' as anything other than 'what not to do' is automatically incorrect.
I'm sorry, but the answer is intentionally political.
We play in open only and the suspicion that there is someone on the PC platform who is playing through exploits as it happened in the past precisely in the conflict zones is very strong.
We have already seen how the frontier does not have an effective control system and I would like to remind everyone how it came out months ago when it was shown that many players exploited bots and exploits in power play or bgs and in fact not contrastable.
There's no doubt that Frontier has made BGS access to all platforms and access modes. The problem is the lack of control of situations very close to the account ban.
The contrast of certain forms and allowed game play also passes by the pvp that you would get in open only.
The superficial attitude of the frontier is wasting valuable time to players who demand a serious mechanics side bgs and powerplay. In addition, this attitude has also led to postpone features presented with great emphasis and then return, and it is not the first time, on their steps with mediocre situations and not suitable for their player base that plays according to the rules the power play and bgs.
We do not deserve certain diplomatic or mechanical answers after 5 years that the game has been released on the market and that we continue to make alive.
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BINGOOOO !!!!
That's not how the BGS works. Shooting at other CMDRs is not even the way to win a CZ.
The BGS is a game of strategy and bean counting. A grind and a game of attrition. Trying to use PvP as a way of influencing the BGS is just a distraction, a waste of time and in all cases the least effective method.
If you want to win in a BGS fight you need to be the most effective side and the side that collects the most "win tokens".
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Without evidence the assumption that botting is taking place it is nothing more than suspicion.
The PvP that is entirely optional in this game - and Frontier would seem to be "well aware", while Sandro indicated that a significant majority play in Open, that the majority of players don't engage in PvP.
As I understand it open only is single platform, so if you have X-box PS4 and PC players fighting over the same system you will only see the players from the same platform. There is also a problem if you are not playing 24X7 that you will not see players, playing at a different time. Moving to open only only takes out the solo players on your platform when you are playing, sure it reduces the variables at play but does not cure the problem of multi platform 24X7 game play. What I suspect is more needed is an understanding of where the impacts are coming from.
If they are all in PG then you are not facing any resistance in open, you're on an equal footing.
Now, i'm sure someone might say "But open is more dangerous!" to which i have to ask OP, have they faced any danger from players? No! Because they are in PG. The danger is the same. If any of those opposing come into Open, they will be the ones facing danger because presumably OPs group will have more players in Open.
Now, i'm sure someone might say "But open is more dangerous!" to which i have to ask OP, have they faced any danger from players? No! Because they are in PG. The danger is the same. If any of those opposing come into Open, they will be the ones facing danger because presumably OPs group will have more players in Open.
It doesn't matter what Sandro said and he said a lot of stuff that where just PR fluff with no connection to the way the game works. Prime example being that he considered Power-Play to be PvP centric. He told what he thought people would want to hear to sell the game.
What matters is how the game is designed, how the various gameplay loops work, what gameplay activities are required to achieve something. Looking at the game based on the gameplay mechanics it is pure PvE.
And it doesn't matter how much someone wants it to be differently.
We had the obvious evidence posted on Reddit, Youtube and online game articles as certain exploits were used until a few months ago despite all the posts of the DEVs where they "guaranteed" a check that was not other than a partial check on reports made by some players and that were not even then really opposed.
Once again by guaranteeing "ghost" game modes you make sure that no one signals and that no one can have a well-founded suspicion and therefore reports.
You want people to report bugs or exploits, but we know we can only report what we can see. And often you don't even have a number of people who can handle the load of the reports.
I repeat ... you are giving a diplomatic response because the design of the game is done like this and we all know how many without it being repeated forever. We want things to change if you want the answers to be serious on your part and not related to a mechanism that promotes negative acts in the game. Our online time is still valuable and a source of income for the frontier as well as other publishers.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
How Frontier deal with allegations of botting and what they do to offending accounts is not published.
The "ghost game modes" have existed in the design since publication, nearly seven years ago - without them it is not known if the game would have achieved its Kickstarter target, which means that there might not have been a game at all.
I am not a Frontier representative - just a volunteer Moderator (and player).
Not everyone wants to be forced to play in Open to continue to affect the BGS, Powerplay, etc.. No-one bought a game that requires them to even share an instance with another player much less engage in PvP.
.... and console players without premium platform access can only play in Solo.
As is the time of the significant proportion of the player-base who don't get involved in PvP - and I expect that they also provide a source of income for Frontier.
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Okay.
Tell me how I have to do to have the situation monitored by exploits and misgame during the cz.
Give me a name of a team or must I contact outside the support tool that requires the usual requirements that we can not prove because the players are invisible.
I expect a vague and political answer instead of solving the issue.
If it's not clear yet, we want the game not to be exploitable as it was a long time ago when you could win the opposing CZ by siding with the fighters on the other side and making them explode from a player of the same faction but lined up on the other side. You could win abundantly with the system of missions used through various methods that had nothing to do with the victory of cz.
Tell me how I have to do to have the situation monitored by exploits and misgame during the cz.
Give me a name of a team or must I contact outside the support tool that requires the usual requirements that we can not prove because the players are invisible.
I expect a vague and political answer instead of solving the issue.
If it's not clear yet, we want the game not to be exploitable as it was a long time ago when you could win the opposing CZ by siding with the fighters on the other side and making them explode from a player of the same faction but lined up on the other side. You could win abundantly with the system of missions used through various methods that had nothing to do with the victory of cz.
Does open only solve the issues?
It really doesn't.
If you believe it does go read the thousands threads relating to the subject.
Bye!
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Botting is against the EULA.
Affecting the BGS and Powerplay from Solo and Private Groups is not.
Conflating the two is not helpful to any discussion on the desire of, I would strongly suspect, the vast majority of players to eradicate bots from the game.
Okay, and once again, the answer is partial.
You don't even know how many methods players use to win CZ without using bots but only for internal CZ game mechanics and missions.
However, I give up so much things will never change and by the way, just a proper control system and a game development with due care not to go on for years with the same problems reported with each patch.
And here comes the answer that the frontier will adopt more attention with the help of beta tests open to players who will not solve the underlying problem.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
If they're not using bots then they're playing the game.
Maybe only those who buy a paintjob per month should be allowed to effect the BGS?