Elite / Frontier Big Bang Day - 10th Sep 2008
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Somthing thats always puzzled me is this- If there was absolutly nothing, no space, matter, atoms etc...before the big bang, where the hell did it all come from in the first place? It's creating something from nothing.
Perhaps our universe is inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland.
...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland... LOL Evil nasty thought
...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland...inside a large hadron collider in Switzerland... LOL Evil nasty thought
Exactly.
Time is relative. The "instant" that the mini universe is alive in the hadron collider could be 13 billion years in the timescale of the mini universe. In that instant the universe will evolve to such a point where there are mini swiss scientists inside, making another HC, creating another universe for another instant. And so on.
Which leads me to the obvious conclusion:
In the universe whose hadron collider we exist in, they probably have E4 by now. B@stards!
I've never understood this position. If this experiment shows that "something" can be created out of "nothing", as seemed to happen with the Big Bang, I still want to know how the circumstances for this to happen were determined.
A circular argument ultimately, I know, and one which we're unlikely to get any answers to soon, but one which neither strengthens nor weakens the case for a "Creator" IMHO.
So it's not just me then, If those mad ******s at cern think this will solve one of the great questions, It will probably "create" a hundred times more. That will probably end up with someone saying "what if we build a bigger.....?"
Exactly. Research is brilliant and should be pursued, no question, but if we start thinking we're going to get all the answers I've a sneaky feeling we'll always be disappointed.
Rant over.
It's less about getting the answers, more about showing what is clearly not the answer.
I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a humorous post or not, but if it is, it's the sort of thing I find quite depressing. Especially on a message board for a computer game with strong astronomical links!
Understanding the universe should be FAR more interesting than a hyped up media story about the slight possibility that the earth could be destroyed! The universe is such a fascinating place, and the fact that we are advanced enough to be able to begin to comprehend it should excite pretty much everyone with a brain!
Of course, the idea that the governments of the world would even consider allowing a group of scientists to build a device which could spell the end for all life on earth, and possibly even the universe, is mindlessly dumb! And the idea that a group of scientists would want to build such a device is even dumber! While the chance of it happening is non-zero, what people fail to understand is that everything in the universe works on probabilities. There's a non-zero chance of the earth suddenly spinning out of control and flying straight into the sun wiping out all life on earth within the next year too. But that doesn't mean there's a realistic chance of it happening!
There is NO danger from the LHC.
Oh, and there's no danger of the world ending in 2012 "in accordance with the Mayan Prophecies" either. The Mayans said no such thing.
Sorry to spoil everyone's fun with a dose of reality!
I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a humorous post or not, but if it is, it's the sort of thing I find quite depressing. Especially on a message board for a computer game with strong astronomical links!
Understanding the universe should be FAR more interesting than a hyped up media story about the slight possibility that the earth could be destroyed! The universe is such a fascinating place, and the fact that we are advanced enough to be able to begin to comprehend it should excite pretty much everyone with a brain!
Of course, the idea that the governments of the world would even consider allowing a group of scientists to build a device which could spell the end for all life on earth, and possibly even the universe, is mindlessly dumb! And the idea that a group of scientists would want to build such a device is even dumber! While the chance of it happening is non-zero, what people fail to understand is that everything in the universe works on probabilities. There's a non-zero chance of the earth suddenly spinning out of control and flying straight into the sun wiping out all life on earth within the next year too. But that doesn't mean there's a realistic chance of it happening!
There is NO danger from the LHC.
Oh, and there's no danger of the world ending in 2012 "in accordance with the Mayan Prophecies" either. The Mayans said no such thing.
Sorry to spoil everyone's fun with a dose of reality!
Of course man kinds very existance is a non-zero chance occurance as well...
I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a humorous post or not, but if it is, it's the sort of thing I find quite depressing. Especially on a message board for a computer game with strong astronomical links!
Understanding the universe should be FAR more interesting than a hyped up media story about the slight possibility that the earth could be destroyed! The universe is such a fascinating place, and the fact that we are advanced enough to be able to begin to comprehend it should excite pretty much everyone with a brain!
Of course, the idea that the governments of the world would even consider allowing a group of scientists to build a device which could spell the end for all life on earth, and possibly even the universe, is mindlessly dumb! And the idea that a group of scientists would want to build such a device is even dumber! While the chance of it happening is non-zero, what people fail to understand is that everything in the universe works on probabilities. There's a non-zero chance of the earth suddenly spinning out of control and flying straight into the sun wiping out all life on earth within the next year too. But that doesn't mean there's a realistic chance of it happening!
There is NO danger from the LHC.
Oh, and there's no danger of the world ending in 2012 "in accordance with the Mayan Prophecies" either. The Mayans said no such thing.
Sorry to spoil everyone's fun with a dose of reality!
Rationally I don't think any of us expect the world to end and as a collective we're more interested in the science behind the experiment and the possible actual outcome but undeniably there is this little thought in the back of the mind similar to "what if someone pushed the wrong button and the world went up in neuclear smoke" - never going to happen but the thought is still there.
Welcome to the forums as well
We're only slightly nutso 
Only if Professor Frink was told to press it by George "Dubya" Bush.
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Yeah, I'm thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer narrowly averts a disaster at the plant by guessing which button to press.
I hope they haven't got a "Homer" working somewhere at CERN
Yeah, I'm thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer narrowly averts a disaster at the plant by guessing which button to press.
I hope they haven't got a "Homer" working somewhere at CERN
You do realise theyve got this guy from D:ream working there right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_***_(physicist)
apparantly the word filters dont like scientists names... Brian C O.X of D:ream works for Cern on the collider project I believe
Yeah, I'm thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer narrowly averts a disaster at the plant by guessing which button to press.
I hope they haven't got a "Homer" working somewhere at CERN
You got me thinking of the episode where Homer gets obese so he can work at home and gets a PC installed at home. The instructions tell him to press the enter key and Homer goes "Which one is enter ?" (of course if you look at your keyboard it is a funny shaped arrow)
LOL
EDIT : Thinking about it they could be the same episode !
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Rationally I don't think any of us expect the world to end and as a collective we're more interested in the science behind the experiment and the possible actual outcome but undeniably there is this little thought in the back of the mind similar to "what if someone pushed the wrong button and the world went up in neuclear smoke" - never going to happen but the thought is still there.
Welcome to the forums as well
Well, on the plus side, if the thing DID destroy the universe, we'd probably never know about it!
Ta for the welcome. I've been lurking here for a while in the unlikely hope that I might discover something about Elite 4...
yeah man - that's asteroid Apophis. Think it's going to miss now though. Although they're still not sure about the trajectory of it's return path in 2036 I think.
Anyway - yeah - think I read it was Friday 13th April 2029 it was supposed to be coming very close to Earth on it's first approach - should be visible from some parts of the world maybe.
edit: by the way - yeah - been following the progress of the LHC on the web - just downloading that BBC documentary now - looks good - cheers there
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In case I don't get a chance in the next couple of days, I want to wish you all a happy goodbye!