Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?

[Old Duck]

There's no 'bubble' to call 'home'. No 'Colonia' to journey to -

Actually, IIRC there IS a Bubble / Colonia where players have built a working civilization. Going there is one of my "long term" goals. This is an advantage of a game that allows base-building, you get hand-crafted content along with the variety normally limited to procgen, which makes for some amazing exploration potential.

 

[Vandaahl]

For me is that the galaxy in NMS isn't very 'real'. It's a collection of planets floating randomly in random nameless systems, but one end of the galaxy is much the same as the other, there's no feeling if you go to this spiral arm you might find an alien civilization, or the remains of one. There's no 'bubble' to call 'home'. No 'Colonia' to journey to - even if it was possible to plot such a course. And even if technically multiplayer, you might as well be playing in solo.

Exactly, there is no sense of direction or distance or size. After 2 jumps the procedural character of the game is already sticking out like a sore thumb. Its just one ball being exchanged for the other. They could remove the most annoying part of the game, ships, in exchange for a tardis, and I might be playing it, if I didn't need a 3rd party save-game-editor to get my storyline unstuck for the 4th time that is.

 

[Several Puffins]

Why do people prefer ED to NMS?

I am sure there are a lot of reasons, including theme and art style (which is a perfectly valid reason!), and indeed the flight model, which is what keeps me interested in ED. I go to DCS for interesting flight too, particularly helicopters because they're crazy and you're crazy if you get in a real one.

For me is that the galaxy in NMS isn't very 'real'

It depends on what you're after. The Stellar Forge gave me wonderful moments, seeing the galaxy from different perspectives and with different star densities, but I look back and it's a few key, incredible moments in months of not very much. ED give you the impression that space is big and nothing happens in it (except in the bubble).

In NMS I occasionally discover something new and weird that I like- a 50 foot tree, a biofluorescent mushroom in a volcano... I have now taken on a tiny horse-rat creature as a pet. The new animal genetics seems like a fun too. It's almost the opposite, there's stuff to do everywhere, but as it's essentially the same stuff everywhere you are just looking for the occasional procgen highlights and making those things and places your own.

there's no feeling if you go to this spiral arm you might find an alien civilization, or the remains of one. There's no 'bubble' to call 'home'.

I would like to see some sense of locality in NMS, it's definitely missing, but personally I never got a sense that I would find anything like that in ED. I found a trinary earthlike once, but it still wasn't super special. Having said that, the first time I heard "docking request granted" after a transgalactic I cheered loudly, NMS never did that for me. The sense of return was great.

even if technically multiplayer, you might as well be playing in solo.

Actually, NMS is a pretty easy game to do MP in now, there's a space anomaly you can summon at will after your first warp, and it's full of other players, docking and undocking. You can take on MP missions if you want to. It's a good way of providing a little meaning to the rest of the game because really why adopt a speedy little horse rat if you can't show it off on a quest?

 

[Several Puffins]

Oh, and going back to iron, we can carry tons of it in our pocket with no mass or volume, but then we can use it to create limpets that do have mass and plenty of volume

Shields and such I mention as examples of breaches of realism rather than immersion, certainly. I am fine with them too! Also, I basically agree that internal consistency is crucial for immersion, but there are specific kinds of immersion break that have a special place in my heart. A shop in Skyrim once had no stock so my character stood completely motionless in the shop for 24 hours and asked again. Skyrim! A game where I can land an arrow between someone's eyes at 100 feet but can't put a plate down the right way up on a shelf! In NMS I once found an egg the size of a 747. I put it in my pocket. In Rimworld, I once bought an ostrich egg. The fridge failed, the ostrich hatched, and the rest was like watching the film Alien.

Basically all is forgiven if it makes me laugh!

 

[Old Duck]

Shields and such I mention as examples of breaches of realism rather than immersion,

If it makes you feel better, my favorite combat ship is a shieldless Cobra

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

why adopt a speedy little horse rat if you can't show it off on a quest?

Because it might go well with a cream sauce?

 

[StanleyDunkan]

Yeah. One can dream. We both know it's not going to happen though.

I thought so too, until they did it in PSO2 game recently. And that made me realise there are alternative ways to keeping games going than adding 2,3,4 next to them while throwing the previes version away.
And in games like Elite - this would be beneficial since you can continue to explorer Milky Way galaxy, while traveling to other galaxies as well.

They don't need to start big. They can create a Small Dwarf galaxy with just 1000 stars - and in there create more hand crafted Star Systems. Once you open this gates the possibilities are endless.

 

[CMDR V1PERone]

To each his/her own, if they are moving on because they can’t create new content from what they have in front of them, then maybe they aren’t really here for the game in the first place. I wish them well in their journeys….o7

 

[ubermick]

To each his/her own, if they are moving on because they can’t create new content from what they have in front of them, then maybe they aren’t really here for the game in the first place. I wish them well in their journeys….o7

They haven't "given up", they've "diversified". They're still making Elite Dangerous videos, they're just doing it from the standpoint of "hahaha, Elite is awful now, hahaha, this game I've loved for years I've now decided is bad because my views skyrocket when I complain, hahaha, don't forget to click like and subscribe, and support me on patreon!"

 

[RJ-KNUCKLES]

Here is something that relates the this topic. injoy

Source: https://youtu.be/dnRYnkDEn0E

 

[RJ-KNUCKLES]

They haven't "given up", they've "diversified". They're still making Elite Dangerous videos, they're just doing it from the standpoint of "hahaha, Elite is awful now, hahaha, this game I've loved for years I've now decided is bad because my views skyrocket when I complain, hahaha, don't forget to click like and subscribe, and support me on patreon!"

If you take the content creators at face value a large majority of them have switch up there content to other games due to the view drop on ED friendly videos. So...blame the viewers!?

 

[ubermick]

If you take the content creators at face value a large majority of them have switch up there content to other games due to the view drop on ED friendly videos. So...blame the viewers!?

If you take content creators at face value when most (of the successful ones at least) start with "This video is brought to you by..." and end with "don't forget to like and subscribe, support me on patreon, and check out my merchandise" then I have a bridge or ten to sell you!

 

[RJ-KNUCKLES]

lol

 

[Erei]

They haven't "given up", they've "diversified". They're still making Elite Dangerous videos, they're just doing it from the standpoint of "hahaha, Elite is awful now, hahaha, this game I've loved for years I've now decided is bad because my views skyrocket when I complain, hahaha, don't forget to click like and subscribe, and support me on patreon!"

It's almost like they can have an opinion shared by others.

You don't spend hours doing videos on something you may not enjoy as much anymore. I know, shocking.

 

[ubermick]

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Doesn’t mean it’s right, though!

 

[Katie Byrne]

If you take content creators at face value when most (of the successful ones at least) start with "This video is brought to you by..." and end with "don't forget to like and subscribe, support me on patreon, and check out my merchandise" then I have a bridge or ten to sell you!

What i find interesting about this vitriol of yours is that you seem to take issue with the fact that people, content creators included, have to make a living. And advertisement/patronage is the avenue through which content creators you know put food on the table for their families.

I've noticed a trend in this thread to forget about content creators as individuals with their own opinions and instead simply ascribe cynical motivations to them as a blanket judgement. Like we cant just prefer another game and be having fun playing it. It has to be a master plan by content creators to 'take down' elite dangeorus

Like peopel are just people dude, yes content creators advertise all sorts of things, thats just the name of the game. But we also play for the fun of playing and for me personally ED stopped being fun. I cant speak for ALL content creators, but for me I just dont wanna play right now. That may change one day sure, but atm i just dont want to and I am enjoying other games instead.

 

[Ohanka]

The mindset of people to believe that everyone who makes videos on elite dangerous that are not filled with religious praise of the game are part of some vast conspiracy orchestrated by forces yet unnamed to destroy a video game company is certainly interesting.

I would much enjoy hearing their theory on why my socks keep disappearing.

 

[ubermick]

Nope, no vitriol from me - and I have absolutely ZERO issue with people playing (and preferring) different games. In what little free time I have, I faff about in Elite (which I come and go in, fully admit to there not being enough in the game to keep me compelled beyond a month or two before I get bored), a few other games (I own SC, NMS, and X4... admit to preferring Elite over them personally) and have a PS4 with a pile of games, many of which I've not had time to play but Jedi Fallen Order and the various Assassins Creed games, more or less anything by Rockstar... all got time when time allows.

All that's neither here nor there, beyond saying I have zero issue with people liking, playing, or preferring other games.

Where it gets shady, and I'm speaking in broad terms, is that anyone with a camera and a microphone can be a content creator. Anyone willing to record themselves over some B-Roll can put their opinions out there for all to see. The thing is when those opinions become used as some sort of yardstick and some start thinking they "speak for the community" when in reality their opinions are no more or less valid than Frontier Customer #43,488. For example, we're conversing in a thread which references a small handful of people who have been critical of the game. Their opinions are somehow more valid to the community than a half dozen people on these forums?

Beyond THAT, it does create an issue when people start doing it for the money. Again, speaking in broad terms, but if people are doing it to put food on the table as you say, then there is going to be a propensity for some of them to sensationalize things above and beyond, pushing the desire for likes, clicks, and sponsorship. Content creation is not some sort of ethical media (which itself is pretty bleedin' unethical in and of itself).

End of the day, its like the people who come in here and announce with a fresh thread that they're quitting the game. Fair enough, but they still hang around constantly complaining, driving what little morale there is into the ground. If a content creator decides they're finished with Elite, and they make a video announcing that, fine. If they still make subsequent videos sticking the boot in.... what's the point, other than clicks?

 

[StuartGT]

I would much enjoy hearing their theory on why my socks keep disappearing.

Poltergeists

 

[Shinji Ikari]

If you take content creators at face value when most (of the successful ones at least) start with "This video is brought to you by..." and end with "don't forget to like and subscribe, support me on patreon, and check out my merchandise" then I have a bridge or ten to sell you!

You do realize they have been saying that well before they became cynical right?