Blocking feature being abused or was it intended to be this way? FDEV?

GreyAreaUK

GreyAreaUK
Lateralus said:
It's one of many poorly thought out features than undermine the MMO side of Elite. I have no problem with comms blocking, or instance blocking after a genuine incident - but how it is implemented now it's just too easy to misuse it for gaming reasons.
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Neither of the blocks I've implemented would have benefited from comms-only blocking. They didn't use comms.

Mind you, given that your comms history can say "CMDR SoAndSO Killed you" then I'd have no real issue with only being allowed to block those players.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
StiTch said:
It's not our fault if every discussion on the subject ever gets taken over by "well I saw PvP somewhere, so this has to be pro-ganking, down with the gank0rz!".
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Actually it appears to be, ignore any legitimate criticism of your views and pick out the post you want to have a go at. As the majority of this thread is not that at all.
 

Jason Lightning

Jason Lightning
GreyAreaUK said:
The most recent one yanked me out of SC and had burned through my A-Rated shields (plus single booster) and hull before my FSD was even halfway there. I can boost to about 410-ish. Didn't help. I've no idea what the hell he was firing, but it was extremely potent.
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Only one booster for a trader? And what was the module size for shields? You can raise shields higher, then keep boosting against opponent to stall until high wake is finished.
 

metascrawl

metascrawl
Zaphod Hawke said:
Why do you think it's OK to call those who initiate non-consensual PvP pillocks (and other various derogatories)?

I see that quite a lot in-game as well.

Some people can't seem to remember which buttons to steer with, but they sure can fling insults from the text box.
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Oh man. Can we please, in the name all that's holy, lose the term 'non-consensual' when referring to any aspect of this (or any other) video game. It is really possible for people not to think about sexual abuse when they see this? Because in the real world it's rarely used in any other context. 'Unwelcome' or 'unwanted' will do just fine.
 
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Riverside

Riverside
Jason Lightning said:
Only one booster for a trader? And what was the module size for shields? You can raise shields higher, then keep boosting against opponent to stall until high wake is finished.
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Or, and this is just a suggestion mind, he can just block the min/maxing ganker & be on his way :)

Choice is good yada yada.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
Ozric
Lateralus said:
But I think we are beyond this game ever being an emergent multiplayer experience now aren't we? There are far too many ways to circumvent player opposition - rendering PvP meaningless (literally the opposite of what DB said in the kickstarter campaign).

Shame, the competitive multiplayer side of this game had so much potential....

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Do you mean to use the word emergent there? I don't think it means what you think it means :)
 

verminstar

Banned
verminstar
Bottom line...Ive been a solo player fer nearly a whole year and I want more...gets lonely. Now, the blocking feature is, to me, an encouragement to start trying open in the very near future...without the option of blocking some of the worst elements, the motivation to try playing in open becomes less.

So I guess what Im confused about is the reason why its an issue. Do ye not wish to encourage more players into open? I can only assume that those who complain the most stand to lose something...targets to shoot at perhaps?

The reasoning being that unless yer a griefer yerself and have been blocked, then what exactly do ye lose? Others who are not griefers and play in open see new faces in an already waste3land open so really...what is the issue?

Im really not understanding the logic behind the complaints...maybe Im just daft or something but Im genuinely confused...unless yer a griefer and is only interested in more targets to shoot at?

Also, why is my name on a KOS list on reddit? Ive never really bothered with open play after my first month or 2 in the game and Ive never once even attempted pvp...so why am I on a KOS list but a block list is an issue? Surely if Im hesitant about playing in open because of griefers, blocking these KOS players would very much be in my best interests? Yes? No?

Simply...doesnt...make...sense
 
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Straha Yeagar

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Since there has not been any actual negative impacts demonstrated such as game crashing, network instability, and such...I am really not seeing any other appropriate response beyond...

Ummm...so?
 

Riverside

Riverside
metascrawl said:
Oh man. Can we please, in the name all that's holy, lose the term 'non-consensual' when referring to any aspect of this (or any other) video game. It is really possible for people not to think about sexual abuse when they see this? Because in the real world it's rarely used in any other context. 'Unwelcome' or 'unwanted' will do just fine.
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We had this in another thread. Call it freeform (as opposed to organised).
 

DaveB

DaveB
Seriously, I'm laughing my thrusters off here...

In the red-in-the-face corner... The folks who see nothing wrong in camp-ganking Eravate or every spot where players might gather, and the more "interesting" it is to players who won't be skilled PvPers or combat-loaded the better.

In the blue-with-frustration corner... The folks who can't tolerate any possibility of unwanted unfriendly attention but won't go play in a PG where that isn't going to happen anyway.

And they are BOTH fouling the well of Open play while claiming that it's all the other groups fault!

The one lot should be blocked by just about everybody - even those who are OK with PvP but don't want to deal with jerks. They'll holler "block abuse" to the corners of the galaxy but nobody will hear them because they are, well, blocked. The other lot can go ahead and block me any time they like, because I don't particularly want to play with them any more than I do the others. That way I won't have to hear their whining either. They can both go and enjoy their game in the environment they helped to create, while the rest of us just go on with our daily business without them. Including in Open.
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
Sounds legit to me. If you don't feel like PVP you should block them.

This is why a flag system (as I've b een saying since the start) is the solution to all of these issue. PVP people who want to PVP will PVP. But then real people will still fly around in the same galaxy.
 

ForeverN00b

ForeverN00b
Riverside said:
I'll refer you to my previous comment about requiring others for a playstyle to work :)
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Ok, fair point. I do want what a lot of people across the board want, a fun open environment.

Maybe I've come around a little on this, if the block function serves to bring more people into open then it might be a net win.

Personally I love PvP, but I'm not going to waste time on a newer player/unarmed or lightly armed player/competent Cobra 3, etc...it isn't fun for either player. It would be a hollow victory. I like fighting other warships.

Can the block list be overused? Sure, but in the grand scheme I don't consider it a huge problem. It's a minor point of contention tbh.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
Ziggy Stardust said:
So you think this is bad, because if everyone will block you, you'll be lonely.

Now I bolded the important word there. Do you think the condition you described is very likely?
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Only if the block function is used as much as the log out function. :p

(I don't care really, I was just poking fun at the people that log out as soon as a CMDR pops up, which happens more often than you'd imagine! Lol)

:D

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

Arkantes

Arkantes
metascrawl said:
Oh man. Can we please, in the name all that's holy, lose the term 'non-consensual' when referring to any aspect of this (or any other) video game. It is really possible for people not to think about sexual abuse when they see this? Because in the real world it's rarely used in any other context. 'Unwelcome' or 'unwanted' will do just fine.
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I just use the ages old terms for this: PKs and PKing. It's also much shorter.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Jason Lightning said:
That won't help next time around if it's someone else, or if instancing fails as it sometimes does,

I'm actually legitimately offering advice based on what I would do.
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Yeah, my argument was pretty weak there ;)

I suspect a lot of us mostly just don't care what the others do, & just wish they'd stop complaining quite so much about not being able to force others to play their way.
 
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